I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featured editor.

Discussion in 'HTML' started by I. Myself, May 29, 2006.

  1. I. Myself

    I. Myself Guest

    Can you recommend such an editor?

    I have no experience with creating HTML files.

    I only want to edit individual files, with hyperlinks pointing within
    the same file. (so that clicking on a word will take you to it's
    definition.

    I've tried a couple of editors and they are waaayy to hard for a
    beginner to use. They were too "full featured". I want something with
    minimal features, but is trivially simple to use. The only reason I
    want to use HTML instead of plain text is to hyperlink to definitions.

    Thanks,

    Mitchell Timin

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    I. Myself, May 29, 2006
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  2. "I. Myself" <> wrote in message
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    > Can you recommend such an editor?


    The old Frontpage Express is as simple as a word processor. The HTML is
    dated but if you are keeping your page basic tags it should work fine. Don't
    have a URL handy but Google should turn up a download site.

    Also, almost any commercial word processor worth its salt should have the
    ability to create internal links and export to HTML. You probably have one
    on your computer right now.

    M
     
    Michael Laplante, May 29, 2006
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  3. I. Myself

    Chaddy2222 Guest

    I. Myself wrote:
    > Can you recommend such an editor?
    >
    > I have no experience with creating HTML files.
    >
    > I only want to edit individual files, with hyperlinks pointing within
    > the same file. (so that clicking on a word will take you to it's
    > definition.
    >
    > I've tried a couple of editors and they are waaayy to hard for a
    > beginner to use. They were too "full featured". I want something with
    > minimal features, but is trivially simple to use. The only reason I
    > want to use HTML instead of plain text is to hyperlink to definitions.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Mitchell Timin

    Try NVU http://www.nvu.com
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    Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc
     
    Chaddy2222, May 29, 2006
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  4. Re: I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featurededitor.

    Michael Laplante wrote:
    > "I. Myself" <> wrote in message
    > news:tIreg.202532$P01.147865@pd7tw3no...
    >> Can you recommend such an editor?

    >
    > The old Frontpage Express is as simple as a word processor. The HTML is
    > dated but if you are keeping your page basic tags it should work fine. Don't
    > have a URL handy but Google should turn up a download site.
    >
    > Also, almost any commercial word processor worth its salt should have the
    > ability to create internal links and export to HTML. You probably have one
    > on your computer right now.


    If you are suggesting that he should use his MS Word to create web
    pages, please, please, please don't. Word makes horrendous markup only
    thing worse is MS Publisher!

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    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, May 29, 2006
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    Mark Parnell Guest

    Re: I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featured editor.

    Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, "Jonathan N. Little"
    <> declared in alt.html:

    > Word makes horrendous markup only thing worse is MS Publisher!


    Ever seen HTML produced by Excel? :)

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    Mark Parnell, May 29, 2006
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  6. Re: I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featured editor.

    Mark Parnell wrote:

    > Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, "Jonathan N. Little"
    > <> declared in alt.html:
    >
    >> Word makes horrendous markup only thing worse is MS Publisher!

    >
    > Ever seen HTML produced by Excel? :)


    I've read where the four worst HTML 'editors' are:

    4. Microsoft FrontPage
    3. Microsoft Word
    2. Microsoft Excel
    1. Microsoft Publisher

    Let's give a rousing cheer for the team from Redmond!

    --
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    -Warning: I brake for lawn deer
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, May 29, 2006
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  7. Re: I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featurededitor.

    Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
    > Mark Parnell wrote:
    >
    >> Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, "Jonathan N. Little"
    >> <> declared in alt.html:
    >>
    >>> Word makes horrendous markup only thing worse is MS Publisher!

    >> Ever seen HTML produced by Excel? :)

    >
    > I've read where the four worst HTML 'editors' are:
    >
    > 4. Microsoft FrontPage
    > 3. Microsoft Word
    > 2. Microsoft Excel
    > 1. Microsoft Publisher
    >
    > Let's give a rousing cheer for the team from Redmond!
    >

    #1 Publisher produces 'markup' (I will quote it because you have never
    seen such code) that barely displays on IE and outright fails on
    anything else. A friend of mine 'hired' one of her friends 'who knows
    computers' to build a personal site for her. She asked me to check it
    out...what could I say!

    http://www.redskyibizans.com/

    You will not see and image unless use use IE and with Konqueror you
    don't even see any text! I wrote her friend with some tactful
    suggestions, but must have still offended and never received a reply....

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, May 29, 2006
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    Chaddy2222 Guest

    Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    > Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
    > > Mark Parnell wrote:
    > >
    > >> Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, "Jonathan N. Little"
    > >> <> declared in alt.html:
    > >>
    > >>> Word makes horrendous markup only thing worse is MS Publisher!
    > >> Ever seen HTML produced by Excel? :)

    > >
    > > I've read where the four worst HTML 'editors' are:
    > >
    > > 4. Microsoft FrontPage
    > > 3. Microsoft Word
    > > 2. Microsoft Excel
    > > 1. Microsoft Publisher
    > >
    > > Let's give a rousing cheer for the team from Redmond!
    > >

    > #1 Publisher produces 'markup' (I will quote it because you have never
    > seen such code) that barely displays on IE and outright fails on
    > anything else. A friend of mine 'hired' one of her friends 'who knows
    > computers' to build a personal site for her. She asked me to check it
    > out...what could I say!
    >
    > http://www.redskyibizans.com/
    >
    > You will not see and image unless use use IE and with Konqueror you
    > don't even see any text! I wrote her friend with some tactful
    > suggestions, but must have still offended and never received a reply

    Yes well, that site did seam to be not very good, however a lot of code
    produced by CMS's can be bad as well, http://www.sixdayrace.org.au
    What do you think.
    --
    Regards Chad.
    http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc
     
    Chaddy2222, May 29, 2006
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  9. Re: I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featured editor.

    Jonathan N. Little wrote:

    > Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
    >> I've read where the four worst HTML 'editors' are:
    >>
    >> 4. Microsoft FrontPage
    >> 3. Microsoft Word
    >> 2. Microsoft Excel
    >> 1. Microsoft Publisher
    >>
    >> Let's give a rousing cheer for the team from Redmond!
    >>

    > #1 Publisher produces 'markup' (I will quote it because you have never
    > seen such code)


    > http://www.redskyibizans.com/


    Heh, the main page is 16,520 lines, and the <body> element is on line
    11,939 (in my text editor). 627KB of source, not counting images.

    Please visit with extreme prejudice!

    I see on the Contact Me page, there is a link to your LittleWorksStudio
    pages. <g>

    > You will not see and image


    I searched the code for "<img" and none are found. Heh.

    > unless use use IE and with Konqueror you don't even see any text!


    Doesn't do squat in Opera either.

    > I wrote her friend with some tactful
    > suggestions, but must have still offended and never received a
    > reply....


    I am tempted to email a somewhat less than tactful critique...

    --
    -bts
    -Warning: I brake for lawn deer
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, May 29, 2006
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  10. Re: I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featurededitor.

    Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
    > Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    >
    >> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
    >>> I've read where the four worst HTML 'editors' are:
    >>>
    >>> 4. Microsoft FrontPage
    >>> 3. Microsoft Word
    >>> 2. Microsoft Excel
    >>> 1. Microsoft Publisher
    >>>
    >>> Let's give a rousing cheer for the team from Redmond!
    >>>

    >> #1 Publisher produces 'markup' (I will quote it because you have never
    >> seen such code)

    >
    >> http://www.redskyibizans.com/

    >
    > Heh, the main page is 16,520 lines, and the <body> element is on line
    > 11,939 (in my text editor). 627KB of source, not counting images.
    >
    > Please visit with extreme prejudice!


    ABSOLUTELY!

    >
    > I see on the Contact Me page, there is a link to your LittleWorksStudio
    > pages. <g>


    Yeah, I know! Poor Lu is a friend...I am trying to find a way to do her
    site for free to save embarrassment but the situation is delicate she
    actually *paid* her other friend for .. for ... for ... oh, I ma lost
    for words as to what to call it!

    >
    >> You will not see and image

    >
    > I searched the code for "<img" and none are found. Heh.
    >


    You have to use IE, it is some sort of MS proprietary business maybe to
    'protect' the images!

    CODE:
    </v:shape><v:rect id="_x0000_s1686" style='position:absolute;left:43.07pt;
    top:467.99pt;width:255.85pt;height:201.64pt;z-index:86;
    mso-wrap-distance-left:2.88pt;mso-wrap-distance-top:2.88pt;
    mso-wrap-distance-right:2.88pt;mso-wrap-distance-bottom:2.88pt'
    o:preferrelative="t" filled="f" fillcolor="white [7]" stroked="f"
    strokecolor="black [0]" o:cliptowrap="t">
    <v:fill color2="white [7]"/>
    <v:stroke color2="white [7]">
    <o:left v:ext="view" color="black [0]" color2="white [7]"/>
    <o:top v:ext="view" color="black [0]" color2="white [7]"/>
    <o:right v:ext="view" color="black [0]" color2="white [7]"/>
    <o:bottom v:ext="view" color="black [0]" color2="white [7]"/>
    <o:column v:ext="view" color="black [0]" color2="white [7]"/>
    </v:stroke>
    <v:imagedata src="REDSKYIBIZANS424_files/image001.jpg"
    o:title="LUsnephew"/>
    <v:shadow color="red [4]"/>
    <v:path o:extrusionok="f" insetpenok="f"/>
    <o:lock v:ext="edit" aspectratio="t"/>

    Yes, yes, I see it! There is a JPG in there!

    In addition the images are full size digital camera snaps that have been
    scaled and not resampled (I'm stuck with dialup so this is a BIG issue!)

    >> unless use use IE and with Konqueror you don't even see any text!

    >
    > Doesn't do squat in Opera either.
    >
    >> I wrote her friend with some tactful
    >> suggestions, but must have still offended and never received a
    >> reply....

    >
    > I am tempted to email a somewhat less than tactful critique...
    >


    Well, I tried to explain Publisher is for office flowcharts and not for
    web publishing and offered links to NVu and IrfanViewer with my standard
    tutorial on resolution and web graphics...but...

    Maybe if the web 'designer' received enough 'critiques', she might be
    more receptive to me advice.

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, May 29, 2006
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  11. Re: I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featurededitor.

    Chaddy2222 wrote:
    > Jonathan N. Little wrote:


    >> #1 Publisher produces 'markup' (I will quote it because you have never
    >> seen such code) that barely displays on IE and outright fails on
    >> anything else. A friend of mine 'hired' one of her friends 'who knows
    >> computers' to build a personal site for her. She asked me to check it
    >> out...what could I say!
    >>
    >> http://www.redskyibizans.com/
    >>
    >> You will not see and image unless use use IE and with Konqueror you
    >> don't even see any text! I wrote her friend with some tactful
    >> suggestions, but must have still offended and never received a reply

    > Yes well, that site did seam to be not very good, however a lot of code
    > produced by CMS's can be bad as well, http://www.sixdayrace.org.au
    > What do you think.


    It is bad but nothing like my Publisher example. For one thing it
    displays on something other than IE! And the code is recognizable
    markup! My example all that 16442 lines of code, 626 KB file does is:

    Layout a half dozen images

    2 lists of 8 links (one formated as a menu)

    a logo as I guess, WordArt object (MS proprietary vector art) that is so
    esthetically unpleasing that one must use IE to appreciate

    a slogan line 'for friends, sport & show' in the same WordArt technique

    and a small block of copyright and credits text!

    Here is my personal site for the same breed of dogs. I haven't finished
    or moved to its own domain yet, but soon...

    http://www.littleworksstudio.com/Amberlithe

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, May 29, 2006
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  12. Re: I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featured editor.

    On Mon, 29 May 2006 15:27:17 +0100, Jonathan N. Little wrote
    (in article <e1fe3$447b04ca$40cba796$>):

    > Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
    >> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    >>
    >>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
    >>>> I've read where the four worst HTML 'editors' are:
    >>>>
    >>>> 4. Microsoft FrontPage
    >>>> 3. Microsoft Word
    >>>> 2. Microsoft Excel
    >>>> 1. Microsoft Publisher
    >>>>
    >>>> Let's give a rousing cheer for the team from Redmond!
    >>>>
    >>> #1 Publisher produces 'markup' (I will quote it because you have never
    >>> seen such code)

    >>
    >>> http://www.redskyibizans.com/


    <snip>

    >>> I wrote her friend with some tactful
    >>> suggestions, but must have still offended and never received a
    >>> reply....

    >>
    >> I am tempted to email a somewhat less than tactful critique...
    >>

    >
    > Well, I tried to explain Publisher is for office flowcharts and not for
    > web publishing and offered links to NVu and IrfanViewer with my standard
    > tutorial on resolution and web graphics...but...
    >
    > Maybe if the web 'designer' received enough 'critiques', she might be
    > more receptive to me advice.



    Since _none_ of the links on that page work for me (Firefox on an iMac), the
    designer is probably safe!




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    Sally Thompson, May 29, 2006
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  13. "Chaddy2222" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > I. Myself wrote:
    >> Can you recommend such an editor?


    > Try NVU http://www.nvu.com


    I was going to suggest that before Frontpage Express, but it can be buggy at
    times. And if someone is an "absolute" beginner even NVu can be overkill.

    M
     
    Michael Laplante, May 29, 2006
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  14. Re: I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featurededitor.

    Sally Thompson wrote:
    <snip>
    >
    > Since _none_ of the links on that page work for me (Firefox on an iMac), the
    > designer is probably safe!


    The "designer's" email is listed at the bottom of the page...

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, May 29, 2006
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  15. Re: I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featured editor.

    Jonathan N. Little wrote:

    > Maybe if the web 'designer' received enough 'critiques', she might be
    > more receptive to me advice.


    I couldn't resist. I sent an email to the site owner... ;-)

    --
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    -Warning: I brake for lawn deer
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, May 29, 2006
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    I. Myself Guest

    Re: I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featurededitor.

    Michael Laplante wrote:
    > "Chaddy2222" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >> I. Myself wrote:
    >>
    >>> Can you recommend such an editor?
    >>>

    >
    >
    >> Try NVU http://www.nvu.com
    >>

    >
    > I was going to suggest that before Frontpage Express, but it can be buggy at
    > times. And if someone is an "absolute" beginner even NVu can be overkill
    >

    I'm going with NVU. It seems to be what I need.

    Thanks,

    Mitchell Timin

    --
    I'm proud of http://ANNEvolve.sourceforge.net. If you want to write software,
    or articles, or do testing or research for ANNEvolve, let me know.

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    I. Myself, May 29, 2006
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  17. "I. Myself" <> wrote in message
    news:vXEeg.204963$P01.196158@pd7tw3no...
    > Michael Laplante wrote: I'm going with NVU. It seems to be what I need.


    If NVu gives you problems, you can try Composer which is the "original"
    version of NVu that shipped with the Mozilla suite. It's more stable. . .

    M
     
    Michael Laplante, May 29, 2006
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    Neredbojias Guest

    Re: I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featured editor.

    To further the education of mankind, "Jonathan N. Little"
    <> vouchsafed:

    > #1 Publisher produces 'markup' (I will quote it because you have never
    > seen such code) that barely displays on IE and outright fails on
    > anything else. A friend of mine 'hired' one of her friends 'who knows
    > computers' to build a personal site for her. She asked me to check it
    > out...what could I say!
    >
    > http://www.redskyibizans.com/
    >
    > You will not see and image unless use use IE and with Konqueror you
    > don't even see any text! I wrote her friend with some tactful
    > suggestions, but must have still offended and never received a reply....


    According to IE, the home page is 641147 bytes in size!

    Saving webpage-complete (in IE) created no folder, ergo no saved images.
    And I just didn't feel like doing a screen-cap...this time.

    --
    Neredbojias
    Infinity has its limits.
     
    Neredbojias, May 29, 2006
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    dorayme Guest

    In article <ab460$447aedb6$40cba796$>,
    "Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote:

    > http://www.redskyibizans.com/
    >
    > You will not see and image unless use use IE and with Konqueror you
    > don't even see any text!


    Nor with Safari anything... there was a noticeable lag on my
    broadband downloading the source but...

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, May 29, 2006
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  20. I. Myself

    dorayme Guest

    In article <e1fe3$447b04ca$40cba796$>,
    "Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote:

    > Well, I tried to explain Publisher is for office flowcharts


    Flowcharts? I had this idea it was an MS page layout thing...
    Anyway, no matter, Jonathan:

    I have some .pub docs I need to extract info from. If I get
    Publisher and stick it on a Windows box and open these docs, is
    it relatively straightforward to extract the pics and text so I
    can get them out to my Mac to include in a website? Not keen on
    stopping to learn a MS product right now... (My client has no
    time or particular knowledge about this, the .pub are part of the
    materials given to me).

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, May 29, 2006
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