I need a very easy to use WYSIWYG editor, not a full-featured editor.

[I. Myself]

Can you recommend such an editor?

I have no experience with creating HTML files.

I only want to edit individual files, with hyperlinks pointing within
the same file. (so that clicking on a word will take you to it's
definition.

I've tried a couple of editors and they are waaayy to hard for a
beginner to use. They were too "full featured". I want something with
minimal features, but is trivially simple to use. The only reason I
want to use HTML instead of plain text is to hyperlink to definitions.

Thanks,

Mitchell Timin

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[Michael Laplante]

Can you recommend such an editor?

The old Frontpage Express is as simple as a word processor. The HTML is
dated but if you are keeping your page basic tags it should work fine. Don't
have a URL handy but Google should turn up a download site.

Also, almost any commercial word processor worth its salt should have the
ability to create internal links and export to HTML. You probably have one
on your computer right now.

M

 

[Chaddy2222]

Can you recommend such an editor?

I have no experience with creating HTML files.

I only want to edit individual files, with hyperlinks pointing within
the same file. (so that clicking on a word will take you to it's
definition.

I've tried a couple of editors and they are waaayy to hard for a
beginner to use. They were too "full featured". I want something with
minimal features, but is trivially simple to use. The only reason I
want to use HTML instead of plain text is to hyperlink to definitions.

Thanks,

Mitchell Timin

Try NVU http://www.nvu.com

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

The old Frontpage Express is as simple as a word processor. The HTML is
dated but if you are keeping your page basic tags it should work fine. Don't
have a URL handy but Google should turn up a download site.

Also, almost any commercial word processor worth its salt should have the
ability to create internal links and export to HTML. You probably have one
on your computer right now.

If you are suggesting that he should use his MS Word to create web
pages, please, please, please don't. Word makes horrendous markup only
thing worse is MS Publisher!

 

[Mark Parnell]

Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, "Jonathan N. Little"

Word makes horrendous markup only thing worse is MS Publisher!

Ever seen HTML produced by Excel?

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, "Jonathan N. Little"


Ever seen HTML produced by Excel?

I've read where the four worst HTML 'editors' are:

4. Microsoft FrontPage
3. Microsoft Word
2. Microsoft Excel
1. Microsoft Publisher

Let's give a rousing cheer for the team from Redmond!

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

I've read where the four worst HTML 'editors' are:

4. Microsoft FrontPage
3. Microsoft Word
2. Microsoft Excel
1. Microsoft Publisher

Let's give a rousing cheer for the team from Redmond!

#1 Publisher produces 'markup' (I will quote it because you have never
seen such code) that barely displays on IE and outright fails on
anything else. A friend of mine 'hired' one of her friends 'who knows
computers' to build a personal site for her. She asked me to check it
out...what could I say!

http://www.redskyibizans.com/

You will not see and image unless use use IE and with Konqueror you
don't even see any text! I wrote her friend with some tactful
suggestions, but must have still offended and never received a reply....

 

[Chaddy2222]

#1 Publisher produces 'markup' (I will quote it because you have never
seen such code) that barely displays on IE and outright fails on
anything else. A friend of mine 'hired' one of her friends 'who knows
computers' to build a personal site for her. She asked me to check it
out...what could I say!

http://www.redskyibizans.com/

You will not see and image unless use use IE and with Konqueror you
don't even see any text! I wrote her friend with some tactful
suggestions, but must have still offended and never received a reply

Yes well, that site did seam to be not very good, however a lot of code
produced by CMS's can be bad as well, http://www.sixdayrace.org.au
What do you think.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

#1 Publisher produces 'markup' (I will quote it because you have never
seen such code)

http://www.redskyibizans.com/

Heh, the main page is 16,520 lines, and the <body> element is on line
11,939 (in my text editor). 627KB of source, not counting images.

Please visit with extreme prejudice!

I see on the Contact Me page, there is a link to your LittleWorksStudio

You will not see and image

I searched the code for "<img" and none are found. Heh.

unless use use IE and with Konqueror you don't even see any text!

Doesn't do squat in Opera either.

I wrote her friend with some tactful
suggestions, but must have still offended and never received a
reply....

I am tempted to email a somewhat less than tactful critique...

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Heh, the main page is 16,520 lines, and the <body> element is on line
11,939 (in my text editor). 627KB of source, not counting images.

Please visit with extreme prejudice!
ABSOLUTELY!


I see on the Contact Me page, there is a link to your LittleWorksStudio
pages. <g>

Yeah, I know! Poor Lu is a friend...I am trying to find a way to do her
site for free to save embarrassment but the situation is delicate she
actually *paid* her other friend for .. for ... for ... oh, I ma lost
for words as to what to call it!

I searched the code for "<img" and none are found. Heh.

You have to use IE, it is some sort of MS proprietary business maybe to
'protect' the images!

CODE:
</v:shape><v:rect id="_x0000_s1686" style='position:absolute;left:43.07pt;
top:467.99pt;width:255.85pt;height:201.64pt;z-index:86;
mso-wrap-distance-left:2.88pt;mso-wrap-distance-top:2.88pt;
mso-wrap-distance-right:2.88pt;mso-wrap-distance-bottom:2.88pt'
oreferrelative="t" filled="f" fillcolor="white [7]" stroked="f"
strokecolor="black [0]" o:cliptowrap="t">
<v:fill color2="white [7]"/>
<v:stroke color2="white [7]">
<o:left v:ext="view" color="black [0]" color2="white [7]"/>
<o:top v:ext="view" color="black [0]" color2="white [7]"/>
<o:right v:ext="view" color="black [0]" color2="white [7]"/>
<o:bottom v:ext="view" color="black [0]" color2="white [7]"/>
<o:column v:ext="view" color="black [0]" color2="white [7]"/>
</v:stroke>
<v:imagedata src="REDSKYIBIZANS424_files/image001.jpg"
o:title="LUsnephew"/>
<v:shadow color="red [4]"/>
<vath o:extrusionok="f" insetpenok="f"/>
<o:lock v:ext="edit" aspectratio="t"/>

Yes, yes, I see it! There is a JPG in there!

In addition the images are full size digital camera snaps that have been
scaled and not resampled (I'm stuck with dialup so this is a BIG issue!)

Doesn't do squat in Opera either.


I am tempted to email a somewhat less than tactful critique...

Well, I tried to explain Publisher is for office flowcharts and not for
web publishing and offered links to NVu and IrfanViewer with my standard
tutorial on resolution and web graphics...but...

Maybe if the web 'designer' received enough 'critiques', she might be
more receptive to me advice.

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Yes well, that site did seam to be not very good, however a lot of code
produced by CMS's can be bad as well, http://www.sixdayrace.org.au
What do you think.

It is bad but nothing like my Publisher example. For one thing it
displays on something other than IE! And the code is recognizable
markup! My example all that 16442 lines of code, 626 KB file does is:

Layout a half dozen images

2 lists of 8 links (one formated as a menu)

a logo as I guess, WordArt object (MS proprietary vector art) that is so
esthetically unpleasing that one must use IE to appreciate

a slogan line 'for friends, sport & show' in the same WordArt technique

and a small block of copyright and credits text!

Here is my personal site for the same breed of dogs. I haven't finished
or moved to its own domain yet, but soon...

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/Amberlithe

 

[Sally Thompson]

Well, I tried to explain Publisher is for office flowcharts and not for
web publishing and offered links to NVu and IrfanViewer with my standard
tutorial on resolution and web graphics...but...

Maybe if the web 'designer' received enough 'critiques', she might be
more receptive to me advice.

Since _none_ of the links on that page work for me (Firefox on an iMac), the
designer is probably safe!

 

[Michael Laplante]

Try NVU http://www.nvu.com

I was going to suggest that before Frontpage Express, but it can be buggy at
times. And if someone is an "absolute" beginner even NVu can be overkill.

M

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Sally Thompson wrote:

Since _none_ of the links on that page work for me (Firefox on an iMac), the
designer is probably safe!

The "designer's" email is listed at the bottom of the page...

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Maybe if the web 'designer' received enough 'critiques', she might be
more receptive to me advice.

I couldn't resist. I sent an email to the site owner... ;-)

 

[I. Myself]

I was going to suggest that before Frontpage Express, but it can be buggy at
times. And if someone is an "absolute" beginner even NVu can be overkill

I'm going with NVU. It seems to be what I need.

Thanks,

Mitchell Timin

--
I'm proud of http://ANNEvolve.sourceforge.net. If you want to write software,
or articles, or do testing or research for ANNEvolve, let me know.

Humans may know that my email address is: (but remove the 3 digit number)
zenguy at shaw666 dot ca

 

[Michael Laplante]

Michael Laplante wrote: I'm going with NVU. It seems to be what I need.

If NVu gives you problems, you can try Composer which is the "original"
version of NVu that shipped with the Mozilla suite. It's more stable. . .

M

 

[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, "Jonathan N. Little"

#1 Publisher produces 'markup' (I will quote it because you have never
seen such code) that barely displays on IE and outright fails on
anything else. A friend of mine 'hired' one of her friends 'who knows
computers' to build a personal site for her. She asked me to check it
out...what could I say!

http://www.redskyibizans.com/

You will not see and image unless use use IE and with Konqueror you
don't even see any text! I wrote her friend with some tactful
suggestions, but must have still offended and never received a reply....

According to IE, the home page is 641147 bytes in size!

Saving webpage-complete (in IE) created no folder, ergo no saved images.
And I just didn't feel like doing a screen-cap...this time.

 

[dorayme]

http://www.redskyibizans.com/

You will not see and image unless use use IE and with Konqueror you
don't even see any text!

Nor with Safari anything... there was a noticeable lag on my
broadband downloading the source but...

 

[dorayme]

Well, I tried to explain Publisher is for office flowcharts

Flowcharts? I had this idea it was an MS page layout thing...
Anyway, no matter, Jonathan:

I have some .pub docs I need to extract info from. If I get
Publisher and stick it on a Windows box and open these docs, is
it relatively straightforward to extract the pics and text so I
can get them out to my Mac to include in a website? Not keen on
stopping to learn a MS product right now... (My client has no
time or particular knowledge about this, the .pub are part of the
materials given to me).