I want to build my own Websites

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Sylvia, Aug 19, 2005.

  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Guest

    What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
    so it needs to be easy.

    Thank you,
    Sylvia, Aug 19, 2005
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  2. On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:47:47 -0000, "Sylvia" <>
    wrote:

    >What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
    >so it needs to be easy.
    >
    >Thank you,


    You can contact Matthew Moulton.
    He has some MaJik WebSiTe B34Nz for Sale...
    It's easy to do...
    You place the majik Website beans in your CD drive
    and water them.
    Reboot your computer and it grows you a website in no time flat....
    Just Ping Matthew Moulton.....
    He'll be glad to help you.
    :)
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  3. Sylvia

    [ Doc ] Guest

    "Sylvia" <> wrote in news:11galj3cp6avl51
    @corp.supernews.com:

    > What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
    > so it needs to be easy.


    First you look at Hatter's sites. Then you avoid his gay little dreamweaver
    templates and code by hand.

    > Thank you,


    You're welcome.


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  4. Sylvia

    Adrienne Guest

    Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Sylvia" <>
    writing in news::

    > What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one
    > before so it needs to be easy.
    >
    > Thank you,


    1. Get yourself a text editor and some tutorials. You can start with
    <http://www.w3schools.com/>, but ...
    2. Remember to separate content from presentation. Use CSS for
    presentation.
    3. Remember to use tables for tabular data, calendars and such. Tables
    are not for dividing your page up into sections.
    4. Remember to use lists for lists, navigation lists, et all.
    5. Remember that there is probably an element in the HTML spec
    that is specifically for what you want, so don't try to reinvent the
    wheel with bloated markup.

    Most important of all:
    Don't try to use Frontpage or Word to generate web pages for you. HTML
    is not that difficult.

    Here's the spec:
    http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/

    Here's a simplified version:
    http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/html/

    Here's the CSS spec:
    http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1/ (level 1)
    http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ (level 2)
    and http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/



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  5. Sylvia

    Fly Cooter Guest

    In article <>, says...
    >
    >
    >On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:47:47 -0000, "Sylvia" <>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
    >>so it needs to be easy.
    >>
    >>Thank you,

    >
    >You can contact Matthew Moulton.


    You mean TestiClees a.k.a. Mad Hatter?

    Ha ha ha ha hee hee ho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I assume the poster wants the site to look halfway decent, so that cuts
    TestiClees out as a tutor.

    >He has some MaJik WebSiTe B34Nz for Sale...
    >It's easy to do...
    >You place the majik Website beans in your CD drive
    >and water them.
    >Reboot your computer and it grows you a website in no time flat....


    No wonder his site sucks nuts.

    >Just Ping Matthew Moulton.....
    >He'll be glad to help you.
    >:)


    I don't know about that. He's an arrogant son of a bitch, and for no reason
    at all. His sites suck, but he boasts about being in the top 10% of all web
    designers in the world. He looks like a poster child for Queer Eye For The
    Straight Guy, and he probably doesn't get any pussy at all.

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    Fly Cooter, Aug 19, 2005
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    Sylvia has offered into testimony


    > What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never
    > made one before so it needs to be easy.
    >
    > Thank you,


    You could pay someone to do it for you.

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    Chadwick Stone©, Aug 19, 2005
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  7. Sylvia

    Fly Cooter Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    >
    >
    >On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:25:39 -0700, Fly Cooter
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>In article <>, says...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:47:47 -0000, "Sylvia" <>
    >>>wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
    >>>>so it needs to be easy.
    >>>>
    >>>>Thank you,
    >>>
    >>>You can contact Matthew Moulton.

    >>
    >>You mean TestiClees a.k.a. Mad Hatter?
    >>
    >>Ha ha ha ha hee hee ho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>
    >>I assume the poster wants the site to look halfway decent, so that cuts
    >>TestiClees out as a tutor.
    >>
    >>>He has some MaJik WebSiTe B34Nz for Sale...
    >>>It's easy to do...
    >>>You place the majik Website beans in your CD drive
    >>>and water them.
    >>>Reboot your computer and it grows you a website in no time flat....

    >>
    >>No wonder his site sucks nuts.
    >>
    >>>Just Ping Matthew Moulton.....
    >>>He'll be glad to help you.
    >>>:)

    >>
    >>I don't know about that. He's an arrogant son of a bitch, and for no reason
    >>at all. His sites suck, but he boasts about being in the top 10% of all web
    >>designers in the world. He looks like a poster child for Queer Eye For The
    >>Straight Guy, and he probably doesn't get any pussy at all.

    >
    >I think he likes you Crawdad. Are you going to keep him? ^_^


    I was talking about you, TestiClees.

    >http://www.backwater-productions.net


    This is a great example of a direction to stay clear of.

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    Fly Cooter, Aug 19, 2005
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  8. Sylvia

    bookburn Guest

    "Sylvia" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    | What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one
    before
    | so it needs to be easy.
    |
    | Thank you,

    I picked up a copy of Corel Wordperfect 8 suite years ago for cheap at
    a second-hand store. It has all these programs in the suite beside
    the word processor, including one that is just for composing your own
    website in a step by step manner.

    I have never used it but mention it because it's an example of
    programs you can get for web site building. Also, did you know there
    are sites on the Internet that you can join for free or low fee and
    have your web site and e-mail accounts maintained there up to a
    certain level of memory? I use one of these to store pictures of
    items for sale at auctions, etc.. bookburn
    bookburn, Aug 19, 2005
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  9. Sylvia

    Fly Cooter Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    >
    >
    >What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
    >so it needs to be easy.


    Do you want the best way or the easiest way? You can't have both. Since
    you've never made one before you should start with a simple approach and
    work your way up in complexity.

    The fastest way to get a site up is to use a free host that offers a
    site-builder tool. The three most popular are http:/www.tripod.com
    http:/www.geocities.com and http:/www.angelfire.com

    Another way is to use web design software. A great program for beginners
    is TrellixWeb. They have a free version and a pay version, and both are
    very easy to use and come with plenty of templates.

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    Fly Cooter, Aug 19, 2005
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  10. On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:47:47 -0000, Sylvia <> wrote:

    > What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
    > so it needs to be easy.


    The very first thing you need to do is answer the question to yourself: Why are
    you going to have a website? What are people going to get from you, they can't
    already get somewhere else? Or how are you going to offer what is already there
    in a better way?
    Try to define the purpose of the site, and try to envision your audience and
    their needs.

    Then start creating the content. Written text, images other than decoration, a
    small movie or animation, some music perhaps. Create the content, and organize
    it. As you create and organize, the individual pages will emerge and the site's
    structure will get clear, like chapters in a book.

    Meanwhile, learn the basics about markup and styling. They are two different
    things. Markup is there for structuring and identifying if you like, the content
    you want to serve to your audience. At first it can seem difficult, but really,
    using proper markup isn't half as hard as you might think. If you know what a
    heading is, and what a paragraph is or a list or image, you're half way there.
    All you have to do, is apply that knowledge to your content. With knowledge on
    only a dozen or so elements, you can create good pages. Well formed, with a
    logical and semantical use of elements.

    Styling is best done with cascading stylesheets. This is less easy. But hey, no
    pain, no gain. There is no such thing as 'easy' in life or on the net ;-) .
    With cascading stylesheets, or css, you provide the layout for your pages and
    the looks of the elements in them. This will take some time to learn. You can do
    so much with css, that it is hard sometimes to even know where to start. It's
    best to start with the elements you used in your pages. Style the different
    headings as you like. Style the paragraphs. Experiment with colours and sizes
    and borders on what is there. You'll soon experience the power of css,
    especially on well structured and formed pages.

    For both learning markup and learning css there are some good tutorials about on
    the net or in print. See Adriennes post to give you a good start. You can also
    Google of course for almost every question you have. The volume of information
    on building sites on the web is vast.
    Once you've got the basics of those techniques, markup and styling, you could go
    further by learning some client side techniques, like javascript or flash et
    cetera, for which your audience needs to have scripting active or a plug-in
    intalled and running. But usually neither are necessary to have a good and
    functional site. They could be nice to spice up your pages a bit though.

    If this approach, creating websites as were it a craft, is not what you like,
    you could also buy yourself some software, like FrontPage or Dreamweaver. The
    problem with using this kind of software is, that you _do_ also need to have
    knowledge on what goes on 'underneeth the hood', so you are able to correct the
    sometimes really bad markup these programs create for you. Just remember that
    there is no such thing as WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get). One example:
    what you see on your screen in your browser is quite different from what a blind
    person gets communicated to him or her by a braille or aural browser or
    screenreader.

    Anyway, start with what is going to make your site important to visitors: the
    content. Make sure your visitors can find you and access your site and use what
    you offer them, so use proper and meaningful markup and don't rely on client
    side techinques or plug-ins. It is always nice to have a visually attractive
    page, so style you pages with some css. That's all there is to it. Sounds
    simple enough.
    But don't be disapointed to experience some problems at first and to find out it
    might take you up to a year or more to get some real understanding of building a
    good website. It's a true craft. People study for it at college or university.
    It's not easy at all to do a really good job. But you _can_ do it, if you want
    to. It's very satisfying and a lot of fun too.

    Good luck and enjoy.

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  11. On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:47:47 -0000, Sylvia, after pondering on life, the
    Universe and everything, checking the Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy
    we now know to be Usenet, decided to scribble :
    > What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
    > so it needs to be easy.
    >
    > Thank you,


    Ping Matthew Moulton aka Mattie aka Diaper Boi aka another gazillion
    names...
    He has da skillzz....or at least that's what he claims....
    The results he produced so far are total crap though....

    And to answer your question : you might wanna Google first before asking
    such broad question.
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    Hans van Eynsbergen, Aug 19, 2005
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  12. On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:40:05 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter, after pondering
    on life, the Universe and everything, checking the Hitchhiker's guide to
    the Galaxy we now know to be Usenet, decided to scribble :
    > On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:07:41 -0000, "[ Doc ]" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>"Sylvia" <> wrote in news:11galj3cp6avl51
    >>@corp.supernews.com:
    >>
    >>> What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
    >>> so it needs to be easy.

    >>
    >>First you look at Hatter's sites. Then you avoid his gay little dreamweaver
    >>templates and code by hand.

    >
    > My sites are coded by hand, even the Flash oriented ones, however Doc
    > likes to overcompensate for his dominatrix Mara (who coincidentally
    > DOES use Dreamweaver to make her crappy ass sites).
    >
    > Here's an example of Mara with her gay little dreamweaver templates:
    > http://www.helloworldwebdesign.com/
    >
    > Here's an example of mine that are all straight coded:
    > http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/bw3/



    Leave the girl alone, she does not need to be corrupted by your so
    called skills....
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    Hans van Eynsbergen, Aug 19, 2005
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  13. In article <opsvqv6kz2x5vgts@zoete_b>,
    "Barbara de Zoete" <> wrote:

    <snip a long and well written philosophy>

    > Good luck and enjoy.


    How about:

    <html>
    <head><title>My first attempt</title></head>
    <body>
    <p>Hello World!</p>
    </body>
    </html>

    No DOCTYPE, no style, no nothing. And I bet it will run in damned near
    any browser and on any server. It only has to be uploaded to a server
    and "Hello World!" will be seen at the proper URL. That's pretty
    daunting when you don't know how to upload or what exactly a URL is.
    Once that's figured out, the HTML and CSS world opens up depending on
    your desire.
    At least, that's the way it worked for me.
    First get "Hello World!" up. Call your ISP if it doesn't work to figure
    out why. You'll need a program to transfer from your computer to the
    server and a place to put it on the server. You'll have to learn a
    program to do that. I started with telnet and ftp. Neither are secure
    but both are still available along with sftp and ssh.
    HTML-CSS do not comprise a language, but there are steps that must be
    followed correctly before you get any satisfaction just like there are
    for any true language.
    Anyway, step one is to mark up a page.
    Step two is to upload it.
    Step three is to find it in a browser.
    Step (4 ... n) is to perfect your craft.

    leo

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    Leonard Blaisdell, Aug 19, 2005
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  14. Sylvia

    PerfectReign Guest

    someone posing as Sylvia figured someone gave a rat's ass and spewed out:

    > What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
    > so it needs to be easy.
    >
    > Thank you,


    Well, since I see you xposted to alt.fan.art-bell, I can tell you how:

    1. Go way out into the desert one dark moonless night. (You'll have to wait
    about two weeks, I saw the full moon out last night while scanning the skys
    for Unidentifiable Government Conspiracy Objects.)

    2. Get a rosary. Say Mary Hail! twenty times

    3. Now get an Ankh. Recite the Egyptian prayer for the dead: htp-dt-nsw-isir
    ddw ntr db ibdw dief prthrw thnkt spd es mnht ht nb nfrt webt nht ntr im n
    ki n nmeh ky

    Soon aliens will visit you. They will take you into their spaceship and
    impart all knowledge of web making on you. You will come back a l33t
    webmaster.

    If you think this is a joke, trust me. This is how one of our regulars, a
    guy who goes by Onideus Mad Hatter, did it. You can ask him (her?)
    questions.

    Good luck!
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    PerfectReign, Aug 19, 2005
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  15. Sylvia

    smallfoot Guest

    In article <Xns96B6D6ED214BC4axe@127.0.0.1>, says...
    > "Sylvia" <> wrote in news:11galj3cp6avl51
    > @corp.supernews.com:
    >
    > > What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
    > > so it needs to be easy.

    >
    > First you look at Hatter's sites. Then you avoid his gay little dreamweaver
    > templates and code by hand.


    Dreamweaver? You mean Front Page. He just strips out the comments and
    gibberish that FP throws in there, so people can't tell that's what he
    uses.
    smallfoot, Aug 19, 2005
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  16. Sylvia

    smallfoot Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    >
    > Only a complete fucking idiot like me would go around
    > advertising hit and run servers like Geoshitties and the like.


    Why, is that what you use?
    smallfoot, Aug 19, 2005
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  17. Sylvia

    Mr Bean Guest

    Chadwick Stone© wrote:
    > X-No-Archive: YES
    > Sylvia has offered into testimony
    >
    >
    >
    >>What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never
    >>made one before so it needs to be easy.
    >>
    >>Thank you,

    >
    >
    > You could pay someone to do it for you.



    Don't be stupid.

    You CAN do some simple page in Front Page without any knowledge.

    If is personal page, than above is good enough.

    If is a commercial, hire some one who knows who knows that stuff well
    and pay him. More money you'll make, more $'s spend on damn good page.

    Cheers...
    Mr Bean, Aug 19, 2005
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  18. Sylvia

    JDS Guest

    JDS, Aug 19, 2005
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  19. spooky.action, Aug 19, 2005
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  20. "Sylvia" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
    > so it needs to be easy.



    It's not easy so don't bother. Unless, of course, you want to make an
    amateur website that looks like shit, those ARE easy to make.

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    Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\), Aug 19, 2005
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