I want to build my own Websites

Perfect Reign · Aug 19, 2005

Don't be stupid.

You CAN do some simple page in Front Page without any knowledge.

If is personal page, than above is good enough.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Dude, you're funny! That's the best joke I've heard today.

Chadwick Stone© · Aug 19, 2005

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Don't be stupid.

Practice what you preach, sweetheart.

You CAN do some simple page in Front Page without any
knowledge.

Anyone can be simple, as you readily demonstrate.

If is personal page, than above is good enough.

Your opinion is duly noted and filed.

If is a commercial, hire some one who knows who knows
that stuff well and pay him. More money you'll make, more
$'s spend on damn good page.

What was that you said about being stupid, stupid?

Cheers...

Right back 'atcha, sweetheart.

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Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\) · Aug 19, 2005

smallfoot said:
Dreamweaver? You mean Front Page. He just strips out the comments and
gibberish that FP throws in there, so people can't tell that's what he
uses.

I know a guy who does very nice websites and uses Frontpage for some of his
work, but once again it's the artist not the canvas. I hate Front Page and
all its little coding bullshit.

I'd p0ast some of his sites but it would only be used for evil by the k00ks.

Terry Stockdale · Aug 19, 2005

What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
so it needs to be easy.

Thank you,

Silvia,

Check out the free, open-source WYSIWYG web design program Nvu
("N-view") at http://www.nvu.com . It runs on Windows, Mac and Linux.

There are some good beginner tutorials for Nvu at
http://www.thesitewizard.com/gettingstarted/nvu1.shtml

Greg N. · Aug 19, 2005

Darkwing said:
It's not easy so don't bother. Unless, of course, you want to make an
amateur website that looks like shit, those ARE easy to make.

If an obviously simple mind like you can make web sites that look better
than shit, I guess anybody can, eventually.

Darkwing \(Double Secret Disinformation Agent\) · Aug 19, 2005

Greg N. said:
If an obviously simple mind like you can make web sites that look better
than shit, I guess anybody can, eventually.

Damn, you got me.

BigK · Aug 19, 2005

Do you want to learn HTML or just get something on the web?

If the later is true, find some program that does the coding while you do
the formatting like Dreamweaver if you want to pay big bucks or you can use
what you already have like Word or WordPerfect and tell it to create an HTML
file.

I am learning HTML so I went to www.w3schools.com and went through their
tutorials on HTML. I am also reading a book I got and will start creating
some test pages.

Mimic · Aug 19, 2005

Sylvia said:
What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
so it needs to be easy.

Thank you,

DONT use frontpage, you'll only have to correct yourself later.

Learn XHTML not HTML, the differences are subtle, but if you do one and
then the other youll waste your time and confuse yourself.

If you want to make proper sites, learn Web *DESIGN*, that is everything
that doesnt involved code. Site structure, navigation systems, design
types and architecture, etc etc.

Id say dive into CSS, but that might confuse you. Learn XHTML then CSS I
guess. And look at other peoples sites/code. See what they do wrong and
make sure you dont.

Look into SEO as once you know it you can build sites with it in mind,
NOT have to go back and recode everything to better SEO.

I dunno... dont be afraid to ask questions, listen to what people say.
w3schools is your bible so use it.

...and for gods sake, dont center EVERYTHING and make it all
symmetrical.. thats sooooooo 1998

Mimic · Aug 19, 2005

Mr said:
Don't be stupid.

You CAN do some simple page in Front Page without any knowledge.

Only if youre a cloobag, here.. 22:35..

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>blah</title>
</head>

<body>
<center>Blipp Blipp Blipdar!</center>
</body>
</html>

.... 22:36

quicker and without all the extra [invalid] code Fartpage adds in.

More money you'll make, more $'s spend on damn good page.

Nice one yoda

Mimic · Aug 19, 2005

Sylvia said:
What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never made one before
so it needs to be easy.

Thank you,

If youre thinking "why should I code my own when a program will do it
for me".. open MS Word. Type "Mimic is the sex

" , export as HTML,
then view source. Try running it through a validator too

Mimic · Aug 19, 2005

Leonard said:
How about:

<html>
<head><title>My first attempt</title></head>
<body>
Hello World!
</body>
</html>

No DOCTYPE, no style, no nothing. And I bet it will run in damned near

Thats all fine and dandy leaving out the DTD. But the browser will drop
back to quirks mode and you'll have problems with code not doing what it
should.

Mimic · Aug 19, 2005

Barbara said:
The very first thing you need to do is answer the question to yourself:
Why are you going to have a website? What are people going to get from
you, they can't already get somewhere else? Or how are you going to
offer what is already there in a better way?
Try to define the purpose of the site, and try to envision your audience
and their needs.

Then start creating the content. Written text, images other than
decoration, a small movie or animation, some music perhaps. Create the
content, and organize it. As you create and organize, the individual
pages will emerge and the site's structure will get clear, like
chapters in a book.

Meanwhile, learn the basics about markup and styling. They are two
different things. Markup is there for structuring and identifying if
you like, the content you want to serve to your audience. At first it
can seem difficult, but really, using proper markup isn't half as hard
as you might think. If you know what a heading is, and what a paragraph
is or a list or image, you're half way there. All you have to do, is
apply that knowledge to your content. With knowledge on only a dozen or
so elements, you can create good pages. Well formed, with a logical and
semantical use of elements.

Styling is best done with cascading stylesheets. This is less easy. But
hey, no pain, no gain. There is no such thing as 'easy' in life or on
the net ;-) .
With cascading stylesheets, or css, you provide the layout for your
pages and the looks of the elements in them. This will take some time
to learn. You can do so much with css, that it is hard sometimes to
even know where to start. It's best to start with the elements you used
in your pages. Style the different headings as you like. Style the
paragraphs. Experiment with colours and sizes and borders on what is
there. You'll soon experience the power of css, especially on well
structured and formed pages.

For both learning markup and learning css there are some good tutorials
about on the net or in print. See Adriennes post to give you a good
start. You can also Google of course for almost every question you
have. The volume of information on building sites on the web is vast.
Once you've got the basics of those techniques, markup and styling, you
could go further by learning some client side techniques, like
javascript or flash et cetera, for which your audience needs to have
scripting active or a plug-in intalled and running. But usually neither
are necessary to have a good and functional site. They could be nice to
spice up your pages a bit though.

If this approach, creating websites as were it a craft, is not what you
like, you could also buy yourself some software, like FrontPage or
Dreamweaver. The problem with using this kind of software is, that you
_do_ also need to have knowledge on what goes on 'underneeth the hood',
so you are able to correct the sometimes really bad markup these
programs create for you. Just remember that there is no such thing as
WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get). One example: what you see on
your screen in your browser is quite different from what a blind person
gets communicated to him or her by a braille or aural browser or
screenreader.

Anyway, start with what is going to make your site important to
visitors: the content. Make sure your visitors can find you and access
your site and use what you offer them, so use proper and meaningful
markup and don't rely on client side techinques or plug-ins. It is
always nice to have a visually attractive page, so style you pages with
some css. That's all there is to it. Sounds simple enough.
But don't be disapointed to experience some problems at first and to
find out it might take you up to a year or more to get some real
understanding of building a good website. It's a true craft. People
study for it at college or university. It's not easy at all to do a
really good job. But you _can_ do it, if you want to. It's very
satisfying and a lot of fun too.

Good luck and enjoy.

I didnt bother reading this, because I read it at, IIRC it was a good
post... gg

ByteCoder · Aug 19, 2005

Mimic said:
If youre thinking "why should I code my own when a program will do it
for me".. open MS Word. Type "Mimic is the sex " , export as HTML,
then view source. Try running it through a validator too

And one other thing: **DON"T USE THE BLINK TAG!**

;p

Really, don't!

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PerfectReign · Aug 20, 2005

someone posing as FrozenNorth figured someone gave a rat's ass and spewed
out:

Mimic said:
Mimic said:

Mr Bean wrote:

Chadwick StoneÅ wrote:

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What's the best way to build my own Websites? I've never
made one before so it needs to be easy.

Thank you,

You could pay someone to do it for you.

Don't be stupid.

You CAN do some simple page in Front Page without any knowledge.

Only if youre a cloobag, here.. 22:35..

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>blah</title>
</head>

<body>
<center>Blipp Blipp Blipdar!</center>
</body>
</html>

... 22:36

quicker and without all the extra [invalid] code Fartpage adds in.

Click to expand...

FrontPage code is valid in IE, which covers nearly 100% of all browsers.

Nearly 100% because every user, who has Opera, FF or something else,
still have, just in case IE and can see the page in IE.

Click to expand...

No IE on this computer, fucknut, find me a copy of IE for linux I'll give
you everything I own, you have my word on it.

Fucknut? LOL!

Dude:

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/ISDConnect.jpg

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/linux_dell600m_ie_sample.jpg

Just to keep you honest.

Fly Cooter · Aug 20, 2005

Only a complete fucking idiot like Fly Poofter would go around
advertising hit and run servers like Geoshitties and the like.

The poster asked for the easiest ways to put up a site and I answered. I
didn't see you even try to provide a serious answer. What would you suggest
for this person? Tell them to download your generic version of Flash, learn
Javascript and Video Basic, and lease her own dedicated web server?
Actually, no, you'd probably just tell her to **** off.

Fly Cooter · Aug 20, 2005

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Practice what you preach, sweetheart.

Mr. Bean has a point. The poster asked how to build "her own" web sites,
not who she could pay to do it for her.

Anyone can be simple, as you readily demonstrate.

You don't give off too many signs of complexity yourself, Stonie.

Your opinion is duly noted and filed.

What was that you said about being stupid, stupid?

Right back 'atcha, sweetheart.

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I haven't seen anything helpful from you in this group.

Hammer of Thor, March 2005

This cracks me up every time I see it. Care to explain what the **** it
means?

Chadwick Stone© · Aug 20, 2005

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Mr. Bean has a point.

Yeah, right on top of his head.

The poster asked how to build "her
own" web sites, not who she could pay to do it for her.

For all you know she can't stick two tinkertoys together, you want to teach
her how to be an architect?

You don't give off too many signs of complexity yourself,
Stonie.

Whaddah witty refrain, what do you do for an encore? Belch a rap song?

I haven't seen anything helpful from you in this group.

So you're not only sto0pid, you're blind. Thanks for playing.

This cracks me up every time I see it. Care to explain
what the **** it means?

It means that you're a kl0oless No0bie. HTH

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Fly Cooter · Aug 20, 2005

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Yeah, right on top of his head.

For all you know she can't stick two tinkertoys together, you want to teach
her how to be an architect?

No, dickless. I presented her with a few reasonable suggestions on how to
create her own simple sites with no experience necessary. If she wanted to
hire a professional web designer she wouldn't have used the exact phrase "my
own" in the subject, would she Chadpiss?

Whaddah witty refrain, what do you do for an encore? Belch a rap song?

I don't listen to that shit. Only Metal and Hard Rock catch my ear.

So you're not only sto0pid, you're blind. Thanks for playing.

You too, you lose.

It means that you're a kl0oless No0bie. HTH

You speak in tongues? Are you possessed or something? You must be one of
TestiClees' friends.

Barbara de Zoete · Aug 20, 2005

You might like to try the Mozilla suite www.mozilla.org.

Have a look at my simple pages to see what you can do with it without
having to edit html code.

You realize of course that all you've provided is an example of 'easy'. It
doesn't however comply in any way with the other wish 'best way'.

Quirks mode for starters (could be a choice, but in this case I doubt that). No
alt text on images, so without images it is hard to find the menu or to know
where those 'buttons' are supposed to take you. All those useless divs in the
code. No meaningful markup where possible. It's far from 'best way'.

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Chadwick Stone© · Aug 20, 2005

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No, dickless. I presented her with a few reasonable
suggestions on how to create her own simple sites with no
experience necessary. If she wanted to hire a
professional web designer she wouldn't have used the
exact phrase "my own" in the subject, would she Chadpiss?

The word "reasonable" appearing in your poast is the very definition of
irony.

I don't listen to that shit. Only Metal and Hard Rock
catch my ear.

Keep banging your head, cupcake, maybe you'll uncover a functional brain
cell or two.

You too, you lose.

How quaint, another k0oK deklares viktory while bleeding from self-inflicted
st0opidity.

You speak in tongues? Are you possessed or something?
You must be one of TestiClees' friends.

Thank you for that exhibition of kl0olessness in action, cupcake. For your
next trick why don't you stand on your head and gargle peanutbutter.

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