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jafar
Yes. it is the easy way, but sometimes the easy way is the "best"
introduction to creating pages. Once you learn a bit of code, you can
then start being l33t and only use vim or emacs exclusively
Yes. it is the easy way, but sometimes the easy way is the "best"
introduction to creating pages. Once you learn a bit of code, you can
then start being l33t and only use vim or emacs exclusively
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Me
You've obviously never used FrontPage. It's a PITA to get it to
display things the way you WANT them displayed, and you'll spend hours
dicking with it TRYING to get it to display things the way you want
them displayed. I find FrontPage more complicated to use than just
coding the stupid site in Note Pad. I mean, crimeny, it ain't like
learning html is oppressively complex.
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Mr Bean
Me said:
I use it all the time. I do remove not wanted code but FP 2003 makes my
life easy. I've learned to use it and to fight bad coding.
But that 'bad code' is still fully compatible with the most popular
browser, IE and she doesn't need even to know about it.
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Mimic
Onideus said:
Id have to say its a bit of both. It has isnt exactly versace laid out
code, rather, reminiscent of DW et al, but then you need to take into
account, theres a XHTML doctype specified, the LINK tag breaks the XHTML
rules as do all the nonclosed tags...
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Mimic
Mr said:
Are you serious? you must be, because I dont see alt.flame, alt.kook or
alt.lamer in the header.
Well no. Linux people generally dont have IE. I dont believe[correct me
if im wrong] that Macs ship with IE. FBSD doesnt, etc etc. If a site
doesnt work for me in my chosen browser(ffox), then it doesnt get seen.
That company then loses my business as Ill go somewhere else. The only
exceptions being places that I cant get the info/product elsewhere.
Odeon.co.uk for example, FOOLISHLY, constructed their site in JS et al.
And only after YEARS of complaints have offered a txt version. Now if I
wanted to see what was on at the cinema, thats the only site I could
find the exact details I was after, so I HAD to go fucking around with
options, settings and IE in order to see it. Should I have had that
access elsewhere, I wouldnt have used that site.
Properietry attributes?????
WTF, bullshit comments wasting bandwidth and increasing download times.
Ok maybe Im being a bit *TOO* picky. repeated 6 char hex code that code
be chopped to 3 when using CSS... infact Ill take this EXACT copy and do
a preliminary tweak at the end of the post.
2 lines later, more bullshit tags.
Great to see the use of lists, but your demo links are wrong. you need
="#" or ="index.htm#" (which is the same as index.htm anyway), just for
future ref.
Clearly you do yes. As that code is neither valid, constructed
correctly, or using web technologies appropriately.
Ok, I shouldnt need to continue here, you've just proved that you have
no clue what so ever. 100% of people DONT use IE. IE is said to have 90%
market share. This will then vary dependant on site relevance, for
example, you will find that linux-support.com will have a MUCH LOWER %
of IE users than say, windows-update.com.
Looking at one of my nonOStargeted sites... 90% windows users, 58.1% IE
users, so not even windows users are using IE anymore. Now lets look at
this logically.
I run a business that makes £1,000,000 through my website a year.
If I code my site for IE specifically, as supported by the stats, I
could potentially lose £420,000. Now I dont know about you, but that
isnt acceptable. especially since doing correctly in the first place
would ensure such a loss wouldnt occur.
Don't worry about Linux, their browsers will see it properly too.
Perhaps that piece of badly implimented code yes. But when you start
coding real world sites with proper functionality and usability, the
fact that not specify a doctype will drop the browser into quirks mode,
in which it will follow old spec, plus the fact that youre using
proprietry attributes..... youre going to get alot of problems.
When you learn to drive, they dont just say "thats the accelerator, dont
worry about teh break", sure it might go, but when you get out on the
roads, youre gunna be fucked.
Um if it doesnt validate, it means its not following the spec properly.
If its not following the spec then you can have all sorts of problems.
Who cares? £420k remember?...
Someone who doesnt have a clue about webdesign or site architecture,
clearly.
Ok, Im not religious, but you remind me of that bible story.. you know,
the 2 men on the beach, the one builds his sweet house, the other builds
his foundations and then the house... the big storm comes and destroys
the first mans mansion.... might have looked nice, but if it doesnt
work, whats the fucking point.
If works and loads fast, than is good.
No.
For a hobby page FronPage is a perfect tool.
NO!
Of course pros hate it because if you will use FrontPage, they will not
make any $.
No. Pro's often use dreamweaver or coldfusion with an underlying
knowledge of how to hand code.
Frontpage [afaik] ships with office. office costs money.
Notepad is free, HTML tutorials are free.
Go figure.
Why go to an expensive car garage to put more water in the radiator, if
you can do it yourself.
Yes, but you dont fill the radiator with water dripping from the tap of
a beer keg do you?
Further to your choice of site structure. Its a basic rule:
Tables are for displaying tabular data
CSS is for layout.
By using your table up there, you've added to the code base. Sure it
might be 5k, but when you have say a million visitors a month, that
equates to about 4.77 GIG of traffic. Bandwidth that YOU have to pay
for. Further, if youre stacking 4.77 gig of unrequired data down the
pipe, youre going to not only slow down your site, you'll increase the
server overhead also. All of which is MORE money lost, ONTOP of your £420k
------tweak------
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>New Page 2</title>
</head>
<body>
<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="6" width="100%">
<tr>
<td valign="top" bgcolor="#CCFFFF"> </td>
<td valign="top" height="43" bgcolor="#CCFFFF">
<h1 align="center">This is my first page</h1>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="136" bgcolor="#CCFFFF">
<h4 align="center">This is my menu</h4>
<ul>
<li><a href="#">HOME</a></li>
<li><a href="#">TOILET</a></li>
<li><a href="#">OUT</a></li>
</ul>
</td>
<td valign="top" height="275" width="655" bgcolor="#FFFFCC">
Content
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>
-- END---
Incorporate CSS and youll better yourself further.
1.09kb to 759bytes Ok, dont a MASSIVE difference, but that isnt much of
a page is it.
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Mimic
PerfectReign said:
hehe
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Mimic
Onideus said:
under certain circumstances yuh...
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Mimic
Leonard said:
Yeah, but not "that" code [markup]. I failed to make my point.
leo
[/QUOTE]
Yuh sorry my bad
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Mimic
Sylvia said:
.... on reflection I think I was being abit elitist.
Bascially, If you want to get into webdesign, go read the tutorials.
If you just want to up pics of the family, use something like geocities,
fortunecity etc, or one of the many free album storage services like
yahoo's etc.
I'd still stay away from Frontpage, Word or any other M$ crap. If you
want a go between, look for dreamweaver or check download.com for
coffecup etc etc.
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PerfectReign
First off, I can't believe someone is actually trying to defend IE. It
kind of reminds me of those Windows kooks who try to convince me Windows
is somehow better than Linux.
Let's see - you can choose between an '87 Hundai Excel or a 2006 BMW 750i....
....choices, choices....
Ah, well, time to jump in the pool.
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Rev Turd Fredericks
JFYI macs do ship with IE.Mimic said:
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Charles Eggen
If you haven't found it already, you might want to look into the
following:
http://www.chami.com/html-kit/
Good luck
Charles
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Perfect Reign
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spooky.action
It's funny how you flame someone for suggesting something like Geocities
when you were recommending FrontPage earlier. Ironic...
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Mimic
Rev said:
Cool thx, Ill have to keep that in mind
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Mimic
Charles said:
Ill have a play with that tomorrow, cheers
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Me
I use it all the time. I do remove not wanted code but FP 2003 makes my
life easy. I've learned to use it and to fight bad coding.
But that 'bad code' is still fully compatible with the most popular
browser, IE and she doesn't need even to know about it.
Hey, wait a sec... is this the same "Mr. Bean" of AHM/databasux hack
fame?
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Mr Bean
I don't think so.
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Mr Bean
I don't defent it. I'm dealing with it because I don't have any other
reasonable option.
As above.
You have made perfect point here.
To drive to work 5km Hundai is much better choice than BMW.
Thanks...
Web page... somo photos and typical: Who I'm and what I do like?
FrontPage, just perfect.
Yahoo front page, you would be the best.
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Rev Turd Fredericks
Heh, but I should add that probably nobody actually uses it. It stillMimic said:Rev said:
Cool thx, Ill have to keep that in mind
doesn't have activeX (thankfully) and Safari is so much better. The
version of IE that I have for my mac is 5.2, I have never used it for
anything but browsing MS documentation.