Thanks Tim. I don't think the free Community Edition or even the toolsTim Tyler said:: Eclipse lacks a GUI developer which means you have to lay out your user
: interface on paper instead of on the screen.
"Visual Builder for Eclipse"
http://www.assisiplugins.com/index_start.html
Not really. Unless BlueJ supports Perl, Unix scripts, C++, Java, C,
Ada, Pascal, Assembler, C#, text (OK, it probably does this one), XML,
HTML, JSP, ASP and SQL (T/SQL and PL/SQL) then I think I'll stick with
my text editor thanks. In the time it takes to learn the latest and
greatest IDE for each of these I think I will have died of boredom and
not written any code.
The original poster *was* asking about IDEs specifically for Java.
Obviously, no single IDE can handle all of those (although the modular
IDEs like Emacs and Eclipse could, with relatively little effort).
BTW, I sure hope you aren't having to use all those languages in a
single project. <bg>
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^^^^^^^^^^^classes and methods and allows you to move your code between classes
with the minimum of clerical work. However, I think JBuilder has a
more polished user interface than the others and, because of it's
popularity, it may be a good item to add to your CV. Of the remaining
two, Oracle's JDeveloper has more facilities than Netbeans but the
As I mentioned in my original post the JDeveloper license restricts
what you can do with the programs you write if you have not paid for
it. However, the downloaded version has no time limit and the program
is identical to the version you buy. Consequently, I felt able to
include it in a list of free programs for a student.
well).Jeroen Wenting said:Acually JBuilder is an excellent learning tool, as it doesn't force you to
use the wizards and GUI builders while providing things like context
sensitive help and error highlighting (including indicating errors as you
type) which can really help when you're stumped.
Nice thing is also that the code JBuilder CAN (but never insists) on
building for you is excellent code that is great to examine how things
should be done.
Another nice one is Eclipse, though that might be a bit hard to set up
correctly for a newbie (who could quickly become frustrated by Eclipse
'features' like taking a JRE instead of JDK as the default Java environment
(which can prevent compilation from working...).
If you want some IDEs that ARE extremely inappropriate as learning tools:
- Visual Age Java
- Netbeans
Both insist on building a lot of the code for you, presenting it as a black
box which cannot be modified (and often building quite dirty code as
No way to override that either that I've found (I've tried both).
David Segall said:As I mentioned in my original post the JDeveloper license restricts
what you can do with the programs you write if you have not paid for
it. However, the downloaded version has no time limit and the program
is identical to the version you buy. Consequently, I felt able to
include it in a list of free programs for a student.
javadesigner said:Both BBEdit and SlickEdit have emacs key emulation are are
both pretty good (although BBEdit is a bit easier to setup).
But at least JBuilder will allow you to change the things the GUI builderwell).
Nonsense. I have never seen either insist on doing that. The only place they
generate code is when building a GUI, which JBuilder will do as well.
Neither force you to use wizards or GUI builders.
That I fully agree with.But using GUI builders is not something a newbie should be doing.
There is. All the code the GUI builder generates is often faster to changeThere is nothing to override.
jExt is far more suited. Or indeed Notepad or vi (depending on your OS andWhile all these IDE's have their advantages and disadvantages, none is as
well suited for a newbie learning the language as BlueJ
Mohun Biswas said:What part of "... are free or have a free version ..." do you interpret
as being called free software?
Dale said:Sorry, but that phrase appears nowhere in the message I replied to.
My comment was only about the notion that IDE's that you can download for free
but have very restrictive licenses should be called free. In my book, they
should not be or at least should not be lumped in with others that are free
as if they are equivalent.
Jeroen Wenting said:Was thinking about the "Installed Java Runtime Environments" which is where
it gets the tools.jet to use.
On my machine it detected the JRE not the JDK (and thus no tools.jar)...
No. They have already superseded it with Websphere Studio ApplicationTim Tyler said:: I would recommend VisualAge for Java which produces pure Java code.
: The IDE has very powerful capability to connect GUIs to code. The full
: professional version comes with CD in the book "Effective VisualAge
: for Java Version 3: Includes coverage of versions 3.02 and 3.5 Scott
: Stanchfield, Isabelle Mauny " available from amazon etc
Aren't IBM replacing this with Eclipse?
David Segall said:No. They have already superseded it with Websphere Studio Application
Developer which is based on Visual Age for Java. VAJ was based on
Eclipse but adds, among other things, a visual GUI interface
developer.
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