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[dorayme]

In the previous related thread, you did seem to be making an earnest
attempt at helping the OP.

I sweated and worked for him like a slave at the oars of a
Phoenician galley ship.

Apparently, however, when the OP didn't respond
to your altruism, you ... squawked

Yes, I indulged in a slightly low show. Never mind.

 

[dorayme]

I always thaught that the web
browser would try and correct the rendering of a document if it had
errors.

Different browser have different error correction algorithms.
Some indeed can be tweaked by the user in Preferences. Some are
stricter than others.

 

[Jukka K. Korpela]

Scripsit Chaddy2222:

But what about if the document in question has a full document type
(which has the URL) but the document still has errors.

Then it's invalid, but that doesn't mean much per se.

Would a standards conforming browser not pass the HTML and notice it has
errors and render it accordingly.

First, there is no standards-conforming browser. Some browsers are just less
broken than others.

Second, SGML and classic HTML rules do not specify any particular error
processing. If a document is not valid or otherwise violates the
specifications, the specifications do say how it shall be processed. And in
practice, browsers will apply their tag processing rules and do what the
author meant, or something slightly different, or something completely
different.

In XHTML, the idea is more or less that if a document is not valid, it
should not be rendered at all. The first parse error should be reported, and
that's it. Your mileage may vary, e.g. depending on whether you serve your
XHTML as HTML as virtually everyone does (making it effectively tag soup
HTML with odd ingredients) or as XHTML, which makes IE choke on it.

At no point will Quirks vs. Standards Mode selection come into the picture.

I always thaught that the web
browser would try and correct the rendering of a document if it had
errors.

It doesn't really try to correct anything. "Error correction" is an
euphemism. It will just eat the tag soup the ordinary way. This has nothing
to do with Quirks Mode, which means acting intentionally wrong in different
undocumented or poorly document ways

 

[dorayme]

I don't need his kinda "help" and rather figure the stuff out on
my own.

This is simply not true, Jon. Please reconsider. I am the only
one left to help you and I will never abandon you. Look at my
post on children of elements. Tell me straight at my antennae
that nothing there could help you solve the second child problem
you had. I am tuning up the reception on them. What band are you
broadcasting on?

 

[Jukka K. Korpela]

Scripsit dorayme:

Different browser have different error correction algorithms.

Rather, they consume tag soup differently.

Some indeed can be tweaked by the user in Preferences. Some are
stricter than others.

Pardon? Which browser lets you modify "error correction algorithms" and
exactly how?

 

[Chaddy2222]

Different browser have different error correction algorithms.

Yeah, I think that's what I was trying to say. But I also think that
the error correction with invalid HTML is a bit of a gray area. I have
always thaught that, but I think that has now been confermed.

 

[Chaddy2222]

Scripsit Chaddy2222:


Then it's invalid, but that doesn't mean much per se.


First, there is no standards-conforming browser. Some browsers are just less
broken than others.

Second, SGML and classic HTML rules do not specify any particular error
processing. If a document is not valid or otherwise violates the
specifications, the specifications do say how it shall be processed. And in
practice, browsers will apply their tag processing rules and do what the
author meant, or something slightly different, or something completely
different.

In XHTML, the idea is more or less that if a document is not valid, it
should not be rendered at all. The first parse error should be reported, and
that's it. Your mileage may vary, e.g. depending on whether you serve your
XHTML as HTML as virtually everyone does (making it effectively tag soup
HTML with odd ingredients) or as XHTML, which makes IE choke on it.

At no point will Quirks vs. Standards Mode selection come into the picture.


It doesn't really try to correct anything. "Error correction" is an
euphemism. It will just eat the tag soup the ordinary way. This has nothing
to do with Quirks Mode, which means acting intentionally wrong in different
undocumented or poorly document ways

In other werds, this entire topic of error correction is more complex
then I originally anticipated and to bring this thread back on-topic,
the OP should validate his HTML Documents as it will make it easier to
find display issue and it wil mean the CSS can be passed correctly and
generally speaking, things will work better.

 

[dorayme]

Some indeed can be tweaked by the user in Preferences. Some are
stricter than others.

Pardon? Which browser lets you modify "error correction algorithms" and
exactly how?[/QUOTE]

I was too hasty and thanks for drawing attention to this matter,
it is the error reporting that is tweakable in some browsers
(e.g. iCab).

 

[Ben C]

It doesn't really try to correct anything. "Error correction" is an
euphemism. It will just eat the tag soup the ordinary way.

As far as I know IE is the only true tag souper. The others will patch
up the input to make at least a valid tree structure. Whether it's a
tree corresponding to valid HTML is another matter; I get the impression
that some things are fixed up and others are not. It's reasonable to
call what they do "error correction".

 

[rf]

Thats fine with me... I don't need that kinda shit you people call "help".
I'd rather not have that kinda "help".

Pathetic. Truly pathetic.

 

[Neredbojias]

I never lost control.

I didn't think so, but it was your words that suggested it.

And it was not just the geek, it was the
pretentious tendencious geekseudo that gets me going. About the
line business, you are not going to get all Luigi-like now are
you?

No way. There's only one Luigi, and when I wax romantic, I generally order
a pizza and watch reruns of "The Guiding Light" for perspective.

 

[Neredbojias]

Actually thats not the first time so ignoring him wasn't my fault. He
wants to bitch about me not listening to me(which tells you something
about him and what he's really doing here(which isn't
helping/answering questions)) but yet it all started a few months ago
for reasons that I don't even remember(either I noted his attitude
when replying to me or to others). In any case, I don't need his kinda
"help" and rather figure the stuff out on my own.

Yep, dorayme's been a trouble maker from way back. She's Australian,
and as you probably know, most of them are descended from the criminal
element of centuries past. Rumor has it that as a runty rug rat, she
wandered away from home and got lost in a southern forest where a family
of Tasmanian devils found and raised her because they were mesmerized by
her orneriness. Eventually, though, even they got fed up, and she
relocated to an outhouse in the Outback where at least she had a few
logs to break the monotony of the arid wasteland. Some months ago this
ingenuous guy appeared on the group who'd been evicted from Italy,
mugged in Germany, and stranded in Sweden with nothing but a picture of
himself, a gaudy website, and a one-man business the viability of which
was indeterminate. To make a long story short, she broke the poor
soul's heart and did nothing particularly good for any other part of his
anatomy, either. Several times she's threatened me with ruffians posing
as actors, and to top it all off, she claims to be from another planet!
Let me tell you, one has to be mighty careful about the relations one
engenders via the newer digital expedients now available for service...

 

[Neredbojias]

I sweated and worked for him like a slave at the oars of a
Phoenician galley ship.


Yes, I indulged in a slightly low show. Never mind.

Yes, "Never mind" is a fair response. It's not a big deal because
confederates insult each other all the time, and as long as it doesn't get
out of hand, things be kool.

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Yep, dorayme's been a trouble maker from way back. She's Australian,
and as you probably know, most of them are descended from the criminal
element of centuries past. Rumor has it that as a runty rug rat, she
wandered away from home and got lost in a southern forest where a family
of Tasmanian devils found and raised her because they were mesmerized by
her orneriness. Eventually, though, even they got fed up, and she
relocated to an outhouse in the Outback where at least she had a few
logs to break the monotony of the arid wasteland. Some months ago this
ingenuous guy appeared on the group who'd been evicted from Italy,
mugged in Germany, and stranded in Sweden with nothing but a picture of
himself, a gaudy website, and a one-man business the viability of which
was indeterminate. To make a long story short, she broke the poor
soul's heart and did nothing particularly good for any other part of his
anatomy, either. Several times she's threatened me with ruffians posing
as actors, and to top it all off, she claims to be from another planet!
Let me tell you, one has to be mighty careful about the relations one
engenders via the newer digital expedients now available for service...

ROTFL! (for real!) This makes up for a typical JS thread of a
Cartmanesque, "Screw you guys I'm going home!" <dual-pointy finger gesture>

 

[Neredbojias]

ROTFL! (for real!) This makes up for a typical JS thread of a
Cartmanesque, "Screw you guys I'm going home!" <dual-pointy finger
gesture>

Yeah, it's fun to expound a little humor now and then, 'specially when
everyone gets crabby. Who said women are the best bitchers?