IE7 comments?

[Jim Higson]

Who cares? It will be at least a year before it is released especially
since the forever-delayed Vista (4 *years* late and counting) is a black
hole sucking up all of the coding talent at Microsoft and its
subsidiaries.

IE6 is our bane for years to come.

The worst bit for me is how difficult it can be to get different versions of
IE working on the same system. How am I going to test against IE6 and IE7?

Does anyone know of unofficial 'standalone' versions of IE7 that you can
install without removing IE6? Or, even better, have IE7 working with Wine?

 

[Spartanicus]

The worst bit for me is how difficult it can be to get different versions of
IE working on the same system. How am I going to test against IE6 and IE7?

Multi boot using different partitions.

 

[Dylan Parry]

Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Nick
Theodorakis finally proclaimed:

Effect is visible in Mozilla/Firefox but not in MSIE v6 or less.

Doesn't appear to work IE7 either. I thought it might be the combination
of "+" selector and the :first-letter pseudo-class, but I tried a
simpler version (Toby's example) and that didn't work either

 

[Jim Higson]

Multi boot using different partitions.

Not exactly handy when I want to quickly compare. I can run IE6 and 5.5 on
the same machine with a few hacks, so maybe when IE7 comes out proper the
same hacks will be avaliable.

(Also, my only Windows computer is a network-attached Pentium II in a
cupboard for testing IE over RDP, so rebooting means a walk to the other
side of my flat)

With Gecko, multiple versions are easy. I suppose that's one of the
advantages of not building the renderer too far into the OS.

 

[Els]

Not exactly handy when I want to quickly compare. I can run IE6 and 5.5 on
the same machine with a few hacks, so maybe when IE7 comes out proper the
same hacks will be avaliable.

I already have that. IE7beta2 runs normally, and IE6 I downloaded from
evolt.org, just like I already had 5.5 and 5. No need to hack anything
afaik - that's already included in those versions.

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

(Also, my only Windows computer is a network-attached Pentium II in a
cupboard for testing IE over RDP, so rebooting means a walk to the other
side of my flat)

Pentium II eh, I don't think you'll be see IE7 on that. Must run
WinXPSR2 minimum and I cannot imagine what XP would be like on a PII! (A
little like Win95 on a 286!)

 

[Toby Inkster]

Pentium II eh, I don't think you'll be see IE7 on that. Must run
WinXPSR2 minimum and I cannot imagine what XP would be like on a PII! (A
little like Win95 on a 286!)

IIRC, Windows XP will run on a Pentium I. Windows 95 won't run on a 286
though -- you need at least a 386.

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

IIRC, Windows XP will run on a Pentium I. Windows 95 won't run on a 286
though -- you need at least a 386.

Your right, partly, MS said Win95 would run on a 386 and worked on
computers where people tried..I would not have called the experience
'working'.

 

[Jim Moe]

Multi boot using different partitions.

Or run the OSes in virtual environments.

 

[kchayka]

Conventionally, it's competitive and better than anyone expected.

I will agree that the CSS support is better than I expected, but I'm not
sure about anything else. The UI is dreadful, for sure.

 

[Mark Parnell]

Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Toby Inkster

The interface is horrible, both graphically and usability-wise,

Anyone seen the interface for the next version of Office? Ewww.

http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/03/09/547281.aspx

 

[Toby Inkster]

Anyone seen the interface for the next version of Office? Ewww.
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/03/09/547281.aspx

They've overdone the Play-School look, but I was at Microsoft's Reading
campus a couple of months ago and had a chance to play with one of the
internal builds of Office 12, and it's actually quite a nice interface
(aforementioned graphics aside). All the menus and toolbars are a lot more
task-/context-oriented, and it seems to make it easy to create some pretty
nice documents. I only really looked at Powerpoint 12 in any detail though.

One thing that they've not done -- and they've missed a trick here -- is
to use the new interface as an opportunity to push people towards styles.

 

[Nik Coughlin]

The worst bit for me is how difficult it can be to get different
versions of IE working on the same system. How am I going to test
against IE6 and IE7?

Does anyone know of unofficial 'standalone' versions of IE7 that you
can install without removing IE6? Or, even better, have IE7 working
with Wine?

Use a virtual machine. The VMWare player is free, and very fast (not like
VirtualPC, yuck). There are other free tools for creating machine images.

 

[Ed Mullen]

The worst bit for me is how difficult it can be to get different versions of
IE working on the same system. How am I going to test against IE6 and IE7?

Does anyone know of unofficial 'standalone' versions of IE7 that you can
install without removing IE6? Or, even better, have IE7 working with Wine?

You can run multiple versions of IE on one system. I have both IE6 and
IE7Beta on this box. Not all features of IE7 work running it in
stand-alone mode. But I'm only using it for page testing so I don't
really care.

http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2006/02/02/437196.aspx
http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2005/12/28/434132.aspx

 

[The Numerator]

IE7 is not better than IE6, nor is it worse. I think IE6 deals better
with JavaScript. Also, when I upgraded my IE to 7, I noticied that is
took an incedibly long time to display dynamic pages. Sometimes, it
just reports that the page isn't availalble temporarily. But a refresh
will bring the browser to the page wished for. It also displays some
pages like the Yahoo! Mail page poorly. (The text that are on the left
are all jumbled into one in the Yahoo! Mail home page)
[http://mail.yahoo.com].

However, I like how IE finally joined the crowd and supported tabs. I
also like the RSS reader. It has more features now. It's not that bad,
in general. Well, I use it, so it's tolerable. Isn't is supposed to
come with the new Windows Vista?

 

[Adrienne Boswell]

The worst bit for me is how difficult it can be to get different
versions of IE working on the same system. How am I going to test
against IE6 and IE7?

Does anyone know of unofficial 'standalone' versions of IE7 that you
can install without removing IE6? Or, even better, have IE7 working
with Wine?

I have IE3, IE4, IE5, IE5.2, IE6 (running), and IE7 Beta. Here's how to
install IE7 standalone
<http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2005/12/28/434132.aspx>

 

[Spartanicus]

Multi boot using different partitions.

BusinessWeek reports that IE7 will no longer be integrated into the OS
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2006/tc20060309_531591.htm

Although from what I can gather it merely amounts to taking away some
automatic permissions.

 

[Jim Higson]

Pentium II eh, I don't think you'll be see IE7 on that. Must run
WinXPSR2 minimum and I cannot imagine what XP would be like on a PII! (A
little like Win95 on a 286!)

It surprisingly fast. Consider:

* Windows is usually pretty snappy until you actually use and install stuff
on it. This machine is a bare install of XP, so still has that initial
speed. We haven't even bothered with service packs since the box is banned
via a firewall from talking to the outside world.

* It only ever runs IE. No other work is done on it. IE6 is pretty light on
CPU/RAM.

* We access it over RDP, so network speed is more of a factor than CPU speed
anyway.

* A lot of end users run less than cutting edge kit. Sometimes testing on a
slow box gives us a better idea of what they see.

* We get the warm glow of not directly touching a Windows box

Now, I wouldn't want to do any *work* on it, but for testing it's perfect.

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

* We get the warm glow of not directly touching a Windows box

Now, I wouldn't want to do any *work* on it, but for testing it's perfect.

Good to know! May consider it if I want blow $200 for XP on one of by
old boxes around here *just* to test IE7 ;-)

 

[kchayka]

Anyone seen the interface for the next version of Office? Ewww.

http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/03/09/547281.aspx

Ish. I can't believe so many people commented on how "great" it looks.
As for usability, it looks like a disaster for those of us who don't use
a mouse. :-(