Iframe and Word documents

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Thomas Scheiderich, May 21, 2004.

  1. I am trying to set up a way to display Word documents in our intranet. We
    have to set a quick and dirty way to display our Quality Control Documents.
    We have about 150 .doc files that need to be displayed.

    I was trying to use Iframes as a quick way to display word documents and to
    start I set up a small file to just set up the IFrame and open the document.


    ****************************************
    <html>
    <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" />
    </body>
    </html>
    ****************************************

    It sets up a window frame with a bunch of controls. I would like to know if
    there is a way to limit what controls are set up. It seems to have problems
    if you change views, such as normal view. The controls go away and I can't
    do anything with it at that point.

    If I close the browser, it then opens up in the view I last set it (in this
    case, normal view without the controls).

    What am I doing wrong here?

    Thanks,

    Tom
    Thomas Scheiderich, May 21, 2004
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  2. Thomas Scheiderich

    SpaceGirl Guest

    > ****************************************
    > <html>
    > <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" />
    > </body>
    > </html>
    > ****************************************



    That's not the right syntax for an iframe. In HTML (see:
    http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/frames.html#edef-IFRAME) iframes
    must be closed <iframe> ... </iframe>.

    <iframe ... /> is incorrect. However, it might be okay under XHTML (I've
    tried looking through W3C, but there is no specific mention).
    SpaceGirl, May 21, 2004
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  3. Thomas Scheiderich

    Steve Pugh Guest

    "SpaceGirl" <> wrote:
    > "Thomas Scheiderich" <> wrote:


    (missing attribution re-inserted)

    >> <html>
    >> <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" />
    >> </body>
    >> </html>

    >
    >That's not the right syntax for an iframe.


    True, it's missing any content for browsers that can't render iframes.
    The more glaring errors in the above code are the </body> with no
    <body> and the absence of the mandatory title element.

    >In HTML (see:
    >http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/frames.html#edef-IFRAME) iframes
    >must be closed <iframe> ... </iframe>.
    ><iframe ... /> is incorrect.


    >However, it might be okay under XHTML (I've
    >tried looking through W3C, but there is no specific mention).


    <iframe /> is valid XHTML, just as <p /> is valid XHTML, but it isn't
    recommended. Only elements that are empty (roughly - those that have
    no end tags in HTML 4) should be written with the <foo /> version in
    XHTML if you are aiming for compatability with tag soup slurpers.

    But I don't think any of the above has anything to do with the OP's
    question.

    Steve

    --
    "My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
    I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor

    Steve Pugh <> <http://steve.pugh.net/>
    Steve Pugh, May 21, 2004
    #3
  4. "Thomas Scheiderich" <> wrote:

    > I am trying to set up a way to display Word documents in our
    > intranet. We have to set a quick and dirty way to display our
    > Quality Control Documents.


    Sorry, the following way is just quick, not dirty:

    <a href="tfs.doc">Quality Control rules OK!</a>

    > We have about 150 .doc files that need to
    > be displayed.


    Then the quick and dirty way is to create a list of 150 links as above,
    in alphabetic order. It might be a good idea to keep it anyway, even if
    you later construct a hierarchic system (that is, a set of lists with
    headings, maybe with a top-level menu with entries pointing to the
    headings).

    > I was trying to use Iframes


    Why?

    > <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" />


    If you really want to use iframe, use e.g.

    <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="100%" height="400">
    <a href="tfs.doc">Quality Control rules OK!</a>
    </iframe>

    More info: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/iframe.html

    > It sets up a window frame with a bunch of controls.


    Maybe.

    > I would like to
    > know if there is a way to limit what controls are set up.


    Maybe, but not in HTML. It might be possible to tune people's
    workstations. But why?

    --
    Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
    Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html
    Jukka K. Korpela, May 21, 2004
    #4
  5. Thomas Scheiderich

    Steve Pugh Guest

    "Thomas Scheiderich" <> wrote:

    >I am trying to set up a way to display Word documents in our intranet. We
    >have to set a quick and dirty way to display our Quality Control Documents.
    >We have about 150 .doc files that need to be displayed.
    >
    >I was trying to use Iframes as a quick way to display word documents and to
    >start I set up a small file to just set up the IFrame and open the document.


    How is this quicker than just linking to the Word Doc? Now the browser
    has to download and display the HTML file and the Word Doc rather than
    just the Word Doc.

    >****************************************
    ><html>
    ><iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" />
    ></body>
    ></html>
    >****************************************


    As pointed out in other posts this is mangled syntax. Please validate
    you code before asking questions as it helps to avoid a lot of obvious
    issues.

    Not mentioned in the other posts is that pixel lengths in (X)HTML
    should not have any units attached. You're mixing (X)HTML and CSS
    syntax as well as writing mangled (X)HTML.

    >It sets up a window frame with a bunch of controls.


    Web browser controls or MS Word controls?

    The above will often (but not always, it depends on the user's
    configuration) result in a normal browser window with normal browser
    controls and then MS Word controls inside the iframe.

    >I would like to know if
    >there is a way to limit what controls are set up.


    That's probably going to require configuration of the browser and MS
    Word (or whatever they use ) on the users' computers. If all your
    users are using MSIE and trust your server then you may be able to use
    an ActiveX thingy to give you some control over what toolbars, etc.
    are displayed. Either way it's not an HTML issue.

    >It seems to have problems if you change views, such as normal view.
    >The controls go away and I can't do anything with it at that point.


    Change view in the browser or in the instance of MS Word that's
    running in the iframe?

    >If I close the browser, it then opens up in the view I last set it (in this
    >case, normal view without the controls).


    Normal _browser_ view withour _MS_Word_ controls, I presume?
    Well, of course it does, what else would you expect it to do when you
    open the browser? Only when a Word Doc is opened is MS Word brought
    into the picture.

    Steve

    --
    "My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
    I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor

    Steve Pugh <> <http://steve.pugh.net/>
    Steve Pugh, May 21, 2004
    #5
  6. Steve Pugh <> wrote:

    >>> <html>
    >>> <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" /> </body>
    >>> </html>

    >>
    >>That's not the right syntax for an iframe.

    >
    > True, it's missing any content for browsers that can't render
    > iframes.


    It also has incorrect (though valid) values for width and height
    attributes.

    Lack of any content in iframe is not a syntax error, however.
    <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600" height="400"></iframe>
    is valid. Whether it's adequate is a different issue; it could be, since
    the adequate replacement on non-frames browsers might be empty, just as
    alt="" can be adequate in an <img> tag. But the content of iframe should
    not be left empty without consideration.

    > The more glaring errors in the above code are the </body>
    > with no <body> and the absence of the mandatory title element.


    Absence of title is surely serious, both formally and practically. The
    document also lacks a DOCTYPE declaration, so we cannot really guess
    whether it was meant to be HTML 4.01 or XHTML.

    If it is to be XHTML, then both <body> and </body> must be present.
    If not, both are optional. The presence of </body> does not affect the
    optionality of <body>. (But it's of course _confusing_ to omit just the
    start tag.)

    --
    Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
    Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html
    Jukka K. Korpela, May 21, 2004
    #6
  7. Thomas Scheiderich

    Dennis Marks Guest

    In article <>, Thomas Scheiderich
    <> wrote:

    > I am trying to set up a way to display Word documents in our intranet. We
    > have to set a quick and dirty way to display our Quality Control Documents.
    > We have about 150 .doc files that need to be displayed.
    >
    > I was trying to use Iframes as a quick way to display word documents and to
    > start I set up a small file to just set up the IFrame and open the document.
    >
    >
    > ****************************************
    > <html>
    > <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" />
    > </body>
    > </html>
    > ****************************************
    >
    > It sets up a window frame with a bunch of controls. I would like to know if
    > there is a way to limit what controls are set up. It seems to have problems
    > if you change views, such as normal view. The controls go away and I can't
    > do anything with it at that point.
    >
    > If I close the browser, it then opens up in the view I last set it (in this
    > case, normal view without the controls).
    >
    > What am I doing wrong here?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Tom
    >
    >

    Excuse my ignorance. I am using a Mac and I don't have Word so I'm not
    sure what you are doing. Does the PC come with a plugin for displaying
    Word documents in a browser? Does it come with Word and would it work
    on a Mac also?

    --
    Dennis Marks
    http://www.dcs-chico.com/~denmarks/
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    Dennis Marks, May 21, 2004
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  8. Thomas Scheiderich

    KirstyH Guest

    Dennis Marks wrote:

    > Excuse my ignorance. I am using a Mac and I don't have Word so I'm not
    > sure what you are doing. Does the PC come with a plugin for displaying
    > Word documents in a browser? Does it come with Word and would it work
    > on a Mac also?
    >


    For quick and dirty on an intranet the OP presumably knows the target
    computer.

    Wouldn't it be far easier to have a "public" directory where these
    documents can be found by EVERYONE on your intranet through the standard
    Word Open file interface? You can make them read only. Assuming your
    server plays nicely that is.

    Kirsty (who has been on holiday so has probably missed some vital
    information about this problem)
    KirstyH, May 21, 2004
    #8
  9. "Steve Pugh" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "SpaceGirl" <> wrote:
    > > "Thomas Scheiderich" <> wrote:

    >
    > (missing attribution re-inserted)
    >
    > >> <html>
    > >> <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" />
    > >> </body>
    > >> </html>

    > >
    > >That's not the right syntax for an iframe.

    >
    > True, it's missing any content for browsers that can't render iframes.
    > The more glaring errors in the above code are the </body> with no
    > <body> and the absence of the mandatory title element.
    >
    > >In HTML (see:
    > >http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/frames.html#edef-IFRAME) iframes
    > >must be closed <iframe> ... </iframe>.
    > ><iframe ... /> is incorrect.

    >
    > >However, it might be okay under XHTML (I've
    > >tried looking through W3C, but there is no specific mention).

    >
    > <iframe /> is valid XHTML, just as <p /> is valid XHTML, but it isn't
    > recommended. Only elements that are empty (roughly - those that have
    > no end tags in HTML 4) should be written with the <foo /> version in
    > XHTML if you are aiming for compatability with tag soup slurpers.
    >
    > But I don't think any of the above has anything to do with the OP's
    > question.
    >

    That's true. But it is good to know.

    Thanks,

    Tom.
    > Steve
    >
    > --
    > "My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
    > I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor
    >
    > Steve Pugh <> <http://steve.pugh.net/>
    Thomas Scheiderich, May 21, 2004
    #9
  10. "Jukka K. Korpela" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns94F0A7D1BF6B1jkorpelacstutfi@193.229.0.31...
    > Steve Pugh <> wrote:
    >
    > >>> <html>
    > >>> <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" /> </body>
    > >>> </html>
    > >>
    > >>That's not the right syntax for an iframe.

    > >
    > > True, it's missing any content for browsers that can't render
    > > iframes.

    >
    > It also has incorrect (though valid) values for width and height
    > attributes.
    >
    > Lack of any content in iframe is not a syntax error, however.
    > <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600" height="400"></iframe>
    > is valid. Whether it's adequate is a different issue; it could be, since
    > the adequate replacement on non-frames browsers might be empty, just as
    > alt="" can be adequate in an <img> tag. But the content of iframe should
    > not be left empty without consideration.
    >
    > > The more glaring errors in the above code are the </body>
    > > with no <body> and the absence of the mandatory title element.

    >
    > Absence of title is surely serious, both formally and practically. The
    > document also lacks a DOCTYPE declaration, so we cannot really guess
    > whether it was meant to be HTML 4.01 or XHTML.
    >
    > If it is to be XHTML, then both <body> and </body> must be present.
    > If not, both are optional. The presence of </body> does not affect the
    > optionality of <body>. (But it's of course _confusing_ to omit just the
    > start tag.)
    >

    Actually, it is going to be part of my ASP.Net page. I was just trying to
    get the most basic page to only deal with the Iframes itself. As was
    correctly pointed out, I am missing the Body tags. But once I get it the
    way I want it, I was going to cut and past the IFrame section into my ASP
    page.

    I was mainly looking at how to best display my Work docs and IFrame seemed a
    good way (if I can get rid of some of the controls (views, ruler etc) as I
    am only going to use this to allow our inhouse people to access the pages
    quickly. They are only going to view the pages.

    Thanks,

    Tom.
    > --
    > Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
    > Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html
    >
    >
    Thomas Scheiderich, May 21, 2004
    #10
  11. "Jukka K. Korpela" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns94F08D986DD9Ajkorpelacstutfi@193.229.0.31...
    > "Thomas Scheiderich" <> wrote:
    >
    > > I am trying to set up a way to display Word documents in our
    > > intranet. We have to set a quick and dirty way to display our
    > > Quality Control Documents.

    >
    > Sorry, the following way is just quick, not dirty:
    >
    > <a href="tfs.doc">Quality Control rules OK!</a>
    >

    That works, also.

    It gives me the same problem as I was getting with IFrames, where it has all
    the controls (views, rulers etc) and I would like to display just like that
    with just the srollbars - since we are not going to edit the page.

    I also find that the page usually starts out in Page Layout view and, as
    does Normal view, will not show or allow you to use the links.

    If you go to outline layout view, you see the links but also lose the
    controls (except the scrollbar) and cannot go back to the previews views.
    Also, once you get to this view, if you call it up again, it will start out
    in this view (and as mentioned has no way - that I can find) to go to the
    other view.

    Need to be able to control this somehow.

    Thanks,

    Tom.
    > > We have about 150 .doc files that need to
    > > be displayed.

    >
    > Then the quick and dirty way is to create a list of 150 links as above,
    > in alphabetic order. It might be a good idea to keep it anyway, even if
    > you later construct a hierarchic system (that is, a set of lists with
    > headings, maybe with a top-level menu with entries pointing to the
    > headings).
    >
    > > I was trying to use Iframes

    >
    > Why?
    >
    > > <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" />

    >
    > If you really want to use iframe, use e.g.
    >
    > <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="100%" height="400">
    > <a href="tfs.doc">Quality Control rules OK!</a>
    > </iframe>
    >
    > More info: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/iframe.html
    >
    > > It sets up a window frame with a bunch of controls.

    >
    > Maybe.
    >
    > > I would like to
    > > know if there is a way to limit what controls are set up.

    >
    > Maybe, but not in HTML. It might be possible to tune people's
    > workstations. But why?
    >
    > --
    > Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
    > Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html
    >
    >
    Thomas Scheiderich, May 21, 2004
    #11
  12. Sorry, I didn't finish this reply before hitting the send button (by
    accident).
    "Thomas Scheiderich" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Jukka K. Korpela" <> wrote in message
    > news:Xns94F08D986DD9Ajkorpelacstutfi@193.229.0.31...
    > > "Thomas Scheiderich" <> wrote:
    > >
    > > > I am trying to set up a way to display Word documents in our
    > > > intranet. We have to set a quick and dirty way to display our
    > > > Quality Control Documents.

    > >
    > > Sorry, the following way is just quick, not dirty:
    > >
    > > <a href="tfs.doc">Quality Control rules OK!</a>
    > >

    > That works, also.
    >
    > It gives me the same problem as I was getting with IFrames, where it has

    all
    > the controls (views, rulers etc) and I would like to display just like

    that
    > with just the srollbars - since we are not going to edit the page.
    >
    > I also find that the page usually starts out in Page Layout view and, as
    > does Normal view, will not show or allow you to use the links.
    >
    > If you go to outline layout view, you see the links but also lose the
    > controls (except the scrollbar) and cannot go back to the previews views.
    > Also, once you get to this view, if you call it up again, it will start

    out
    > in this view (and as mentioned has no way - that I can find) to go to the
    > other view.
    >
    > Need to be able to control this somehow.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Tom.
    > > > We have about 150 .doc files that need to
    > > > be displayed.

    > >
    > > Then the quick and dirty way is to create a list of 150 links as above,
    > > in alphabetic order. It might be a good idea to keep it anyway, even if
    > > you later construct a hierarchic system (that is, a set of lists with
    > > headings, maybe with a top-level menu with entries pointing to the
    > > headings).
    > >
    > > > I was trying to use Iframes

    > >
    > > Why?
    > >

    Why not? What I wanted to do was put this in the content portion of my
    page. I am not using frames, but have our company logo on the top of the
    page and our menus down the left. I wanted to put the document in the
    bottom right of the page (which would be inside a cell our table).

    I was told that IFrames would be a good way to go.

    Is there some reason, why I shouldn't do it this way?

    > > > <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" />

    > >
    > > If you really want to use iframe, use e.g.
    > >
    > > <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="100%" height="400">
    > > <a href="tfs.doc">Quality Control rules OK!</a>
    > > </iframe>

    This seems like a good way to do it. I did try this, but I never get the
    link. It just goes directly to the page (which may be what you meant it to
    do). Here is the code I used:

    **************************************
    <html>
    <head>
    </head>
    <body>
    <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="100%" height="400">
    <a href="tfs.doc">Quality Control rules OK!</a>
    </iframe>
    </body>
    </html>
    **************************************
    Also, as mentioned before, since I had already opened a .doc once and looked
    at it in Outline Layout View, it comes up this way and there seems to be no
    way to stop it or change it.
    > >
    > > More info: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/iframe.html
    > >
    > > > It sets up a window frame with a bunch of controls.

    > >
    > > Maybe.
    > >
    > > > I would like to
    > > > know if there is a way to limit what controls are set up.

    > >
    > > Maybe, but not in HTML. It might be possible to tune people's
    > > workstations. But why?
    > >

    Because, as mentioned above, I am not editing it and some of the controls,
    such as Outline Layout View, will lock you into that view and you can't seem
    to get back.

    I just want to have scrollbars so the person can just look at the page.

    Thanks,

    Tom.
    > > --
    > > Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
    > > Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    Thomas Scheiderich, May 21, 2004
    #12
  13. "Steve Pugh" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Thomas Scheiderich" <> wrote:
    >
    > >I am trying to set up a way to display Word documents in our intranet.

    We
    > >have to set a quick and dirty way to display our Quality Control

    Documents.
    > >We have about 150 .doc files that need to be displayed.
    > >
    > >I was trying to use Iframes as a quick way to display word documents and

    to
    > >start I set up a small file to just set up the IFrame and open the

    document.
    >
    > How is this quicker than just linking to the Word Doc? Now the browser
    > has to download and display the HTML file and the Word Doc rather than
    > just the Word Doc.


    By quicker, I meant that would fit in my template.

    The problem with this is that if you open up the Word Doc, you lose the Part
    of the Window that I set up to frame the page (not Frames) - the top of the
    page is the Logo and the left side (about 100 pixes) all the way down is
    blue with my menu buttons on it. I wanted it to fit in the middle to the
    left side of the window all the way down.

    >
    > >****************************************
    > ><html>
    > ><iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" />
    > ></body>
    > ></html>
    > >****************************************

    >
    > As pointed out in other posts this is mangled syntax. Please validate
    > you code before asking questions as it helps to avoid a lot of obvious
    > issues.


    Did that. I changed the page to look like:

    *************************************************
    <html>
    <head>
    </head>
    <body>
    <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="100%" height="400">
    </iframe>
    </body>
    </html>
    ************************************************

    This is not meant to be my actual page, just a page to test IFrames and Word
    Doc displays. When I have it the way I want it, I will cut an paste it into
    my real pages.

    >
    > Not mentioned in the other posts is that pixel lengths in (X)HTML
    > should not have any units attached. You're mixing (X)HTML and CSS
    > syntax as well as writing mangled (X)HTML.
    >
    > >It sets up a window frame with a bunch of controls.

    >
    > Web browser controls or MS Word controls?


    I believe it is MS Word controls.

    >
    > The above will often (but not always, it depends on the user's
    > configuration) result in a normal browser window with normal browser
    > controls and then MS Word controls inside the iframe.
    >
    > >I would like to know if
    > >there is a way to limit what controls are set up.

    >
    > That's probably going to require configuration of the browser and MS
    > Word (or whatever they use ) on the users' computers. If all your
    > users are using MSIE and trust your server then you may be able to use
    > an ActiveX thingy to give you some control over what toolbars, etc.
    > are displayed. Either way it's not an HTML issue.


    Actually, this is going to go into an ASP.NET page. And as you say this is
    not an HTML issue. But I needed to start here as I am, at the moment, just
    trying to find out it this is a good way to do this.

    >
    > >It seems to have problems if you change views, such as normal view.
    > >The controls go away and I can't do anything with it at that point.

    >
    > Change view in the browser or in the instance of MS Word that's
    > running in the iframe?


    Where do I do that? I don't want to change MS Word on the computer, just
    the way it displays as a Web Page.

    >
    > >If I close the browser, it then opens up in the view I last set it (in

    this
    > >case, normal view without the controls).

    >
    > Normal _browser_ view withour _MS_Word_ controls, I presume?
    > Well, of course it does, what else would you expect it to do when you
    > open the browser? Only when a Word Doc is opened is MS Word brought
    > into the picture.


    No, Normal View is an MS Word control (I think). At the bottom of the page
    there are various buttons that control the type of view you want to see
    (Page View, Normal View, Layout View and Outline View). The problem is that
    if I change to Normal View - I am now stuck. Everytime I open any Word
    Documents in my browser, it always opens in Normal View (whether in an
    IFrame or as a Word Doc type of page).

    Thanks,

    Tom
    >
    > Steve
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    Thomas Scheiderich, May 21, 2004
    #13
  14. "Dennis Marks" <> wrote in message
    news:210520040708260035%...
    > In article <>, Thomas Scheiderich
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > > I am trying to set up a way to display Word documents in our intranet.

    We
    > > have to set a quick and dirty way to display our Quality Control

    Documents.
    > > We have about 150 .doc files that need to be displayed.
    > >
    > > I was trying to use Iframes as a quick way to display word documents and

    to
    > > start I set up a small file to just set up the IFrame and open the

    document.
    > >
    > >
    > > ****************************************
    > > <html>
    > > <iframe src="tfs.doc" width="600px" height="400px" />
    > > </body>
    > > </html>
    > > ****************************************
    > >
    > > It sets up a window frame with a bunch of controls. I would like to

    know if
    > > there is a way to limit what controls are set up. It seems to have

    problems
    > > if you change views, such as normal view. The controls go away and I

    can't
    > > do anything with it at that point.
    > >
    > > If I close the browser, it then opens up in the view I last set it (in

    this
    > > case, normal view without the controls).
    > >
    > > What am I doing wrong here?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > Tom
    > >
    > >

    > Excuse my ignorance. I am using a Mac and I don't have Word so I'm not
    > sure what you are doing. Does the PC come with a plugin for displaying
    > Word documents in a browser? Does it come with Word and would it work
    > on a Mac also?


    I just tried it and what happens on my Mac (whether IFRames - which doesn't
    seem to work, although it does show the IFrames outline or just a link to
    the doc) is that the Download manager starts, it downloads the page, starts
    up a new page that has the Word controls on it and the page is displayed
    there.

    The interesting thing is that even if I change it to Words Normal View, the
    next time I access the page it opens in Page Layout View (which has all the
    controls, unlike the Normal view - which doesn't).

    I assume you have to have Word on the machine for it to work. I didn't load
    any plugin to make it work.

    Tom.
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    Thomas Scheiderich, May 21, 2004
    #14
  15. "KirstyH" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Dennis Marks wrote:
    >
    > > Excuse my ignorance. I am using a Mac and I don't have Word so I'm not
    > > sure what you are doing. Does the PC come with a plugin for displaying
    > > Word documents in a browser? Does it come with Word and would it work
    > > on a Mac also?
    > >

    >
    > For quick and dirty on an intranet the OP presumably knows the target
    > computer.
    >
    > Wouldn't it be far easier to have a "public" directory where these
    > documents can be found by EVERYONE on your intranet through the standard
    > Word Open file interface? You can make them read only. Assuming your
    > server plays nicely that is.
    >


    Yes, I do know the target computer and the documents are in a separate
    folderl. But they want to access the pages through a browser interface.
    This would allow them to set up links from inside of pages as well through
    menus and submenus and they can set the titles to what they want as opposed
    to what the documents are actually set to. There are about 150 documents
    and will be accessed using ASP.Net, hopefully.

    Tom.

    > Kirsty (who has been on holiday so has probably missed some vital
    > information about this problem)
    >
    Thomas Scheiderich, May 21, 2004
    #15
  16. Thomas Scheiderich

    Dennis Marks Guest

    In article <>, Thomas Scheiderich
    <> wrote:

    > > Excuse my ignorance. I am using a Mac and I don't have Word so I'm not
    > > sure what you are doing. Does the PC come with a plugin for displaying
    > > Word documents in a browser? Does it come with Word and would it work
    > > on a Mac also?

    >
    > I just tried it and what happens on my Mac (whether IFRames - which doesn't
    > seem to work, although it does show the IFrames outline or just a link to
    > the doc) is that the Download manager starts, it downloads the page, starts
    > up a new page that has the Word controls on it and the page is displayed
    > there.
    >
    > The interesting thing is that even if I change it to Words Normal View, the
    > next time I access the page it opens in Page Layout View (which has all the
    > controls, unlike the Normal view - which doesn't).
    >
    > I assume you have to have Word on the machine for it to work. I didn't load
    > any plugin to make it work.


    Did an actual web page open with the document as it does with a PDF
    (which uses Acrobat reader with a web plugin) or was it a Word program
    window? Maybe when Word is installed it installs a browser plugin.

    Any document can be defined in the browser to start another program
    after a download.

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    #16
  17. "Dennis Marks" <> wrote in message
    news:210520041545431907%...
    > In article <>, Thomas Scheiderich
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > > > Excuse my ignorance. I am using a Mac and I don't have Word so I'm not
    > > > sure what you are doing. Does the PC come with a plugin for displaying
    > > > Word documents in a browser? Does it come with Word and would it work
    > > > on a Mac also?

    > >
    > > I just tried it and what happens on my Mac (whether IFRames - which

    doesn't
    > > seem to work, although it does show the IFrames outline or just a link

    to
    > > the doc) is that the Download manager starts, it downloads the page,

    starts
    > > up a new page that has the Word controls on it and the page is displayed
    > > there.
    > >
    > > The interesting thing is that even if I change it to Words Normal View,

    the
    > > next time I access the page it opens in Page Layout View (which has all

    the
    > > controls, unlike the Normal view - which doesn't).
    > >
    > > I assume you have to have Word on the machine for it to work. I didn't

    load
    > > any plugin to make it work.

    >
    > Did an actual web page open with the document as it does with a PDF
    > (which uses Acrobat reader with a web plugin) or was it a Word program
    > window? Maybe when Word is installed it installs a browser plugin.


    On the Mac, it appears to be a Word window that is opened not a browser
    window.

    Tom
    >
    > Any document can be defined in the browser to start another program
    > after a download.
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    Thomas Scheiderich, May 22, 2004
    #17

  18. >
    > If I close the browser, it then opens up in the view I last set it (in this
    > case, normal view without the controls).


    You could have more control over this is you use the <object> or <embed>
    tag.
    Alexandre Jasmin, May 22, 2004
    #18
  19. Thomas Scheiderich

    Whitecrest Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    > > If I close the browser, it then opens up in the view I last set it (in this
    > > case, normal view without the controls).

    > You could have more control over this is you use the <object> or <embed>
    > tag.


    There's a new <embed> tag?

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    Whitecrest, May 22, 2004
    #19
  20. "Alexandre Jasmin" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    >
    > >
    > > If I close the browser, it then opens up in the view I last set it (in

    this
    > > case, normal view without the controls).

    >
    > You could have more control over this is you use the <object> or <embed>
    > tag.


    How would I do that? Is there a document that tells how to do this -
    specifically with a word document?

    Thanks,

    Tom
    Thomas Scheiderich, May 22, 2004
    #20
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