Iframes and Mouse Position

Discussion in 'HTML' started by wmanzo@yahoo.com, Sep 22, 2006.

  1. Guest

    I have a really professional conspiracy movie site
    and I use tons of layers and an external scroll bar assembly.
    I would like to put the various sections into MS Iframes and
    in order to clean up the page but I find that the iframes interfere
    with the getting the mouse coords from the screen which is
    essential in moving the scroll bar around.

    My test html is given below. With the iframe hidden the mouse coords
    are obtainable. With the iframe visible things get buggy.


    Where the "background_foriframe.html" is just a html file with
    a background layer using a "DIV" tag.

    <Div id='Main_Page_Background'
    style='position:absolute;
    filter:alpha(opacity=60);
    clip:rect(0,5000,5000,0);
    width:1px;height:1px;
    left:0px;top:0px;z-index:50'>
    <table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0>
    <tr><td bgcolor="#AAAAAA" background="imgs/background_metalback.jpg">
    <img src="imgs/trans.gif" id="main_page_bg" width=5000 height=5000
    border=0>
    </td></tr></table>
    </Div>




    <html>
    <head>

    <base href=" ">
    <meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="no">

    </head>



    <body bgcolor="#CCCCCC">


    <Div id='Main_Background_Iframe'
    style='position:absolute;
    visibility:hidden;
    clip:rect(0,5000,5000,0);
    width:1px;height:1px;
    left:0px;top:0px;z-index:50'>
    <iframe src="background_foriframe.html" width="5000" height="5000"
    name="background_iframe" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"
    allowtransparency="true">
    </iframe>
    </Div>


    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->



    <script language="JavaScript">

    var ms_x, x_offset;

    var ms_y, y_offset;


    document.onmousemove = cm_mouseMove;


    //--MOUSE MOVE-----------------------


    function cm_mouseMove(e){


    ms_x = event.x+document.body.scrollLeft;
    ms_y = event.y+document.body.scrollTop;

    if (ms_x < 0){ms_x = 0;}
    if (ms_y < 0){ms_y = 0;}

    document.xy_display.xcoord.value = ms_x;
    document.xy_display.ycoord.value = ms_y;




    return false;

    }


    //--MOUSE MOVE-----------------------




    </script>








    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->
    <!--Click n Move Scripts-------------------------------------->





    <!------------------------------->
    <!--XY Coord Display------------->
    <!------------------------------->


    <Div id="XY_Coord_Dispay_Assembly"
    style="position:absolute;
    width:100; height:100;
    clip:rect(0,500,500,0);
    left:0px;top:0px;z-index:200;">

    <form name="xy_display">

    <Div id="XY_Coord_Background"
    style="position:absolute;
    filter:alpha(opacity=50);
    width:100; height:100;
    clip:rect(0,200,200,0);
    left:0px; top:0px;z-index:100;">
    <table border=0 cellpadding=0
    cellspacing=0><tr><td>
    <img src="imgs/xy_coord_body.gif" border=0
    </td></tr></table>
    </Div>

    <Div id="X_Coor_Display"
    style="position:absolute;
    width:100; height:100;
    clip:rect(4,33,17,2);
    left:36px; top:0px;z-index:100;">
    <table border=0 width=38 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td>
    <input type="text" size="5" name="xcoord" value="0"
    style="background-color:transparent;
    color:black";>
    </td></tr></table>
    </Div>

    <Div id="Y_Coor_Display"
    style="position:absolute;
    width:100; height:100;
    clip:rect(4,33,17,2);
    left:36px; top:15px;z-index:100;">
    <table border=0 width=38 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td>
    <input type="text" size="5" name="ycoord" value="0"
    style="background-color:transparent;
    color:black";>
    </td></tr></table>
    </Div>

    <Div id="X_Coor_Display"
    style="position:absolute;
    width:100; height:100;
    clip:rect(4,33,17,2);
    left:36px; top:32px;z-index:100;">
    <table border=0 width=38 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td>
    <input type="text" size="5" name="x_layer" value="0"
    style="background-color:transparent;
    color:black";>
    </td></tr></table>
    </Div>

    <Div id="Y_Coor_Display"
    style="position:absolute;
    width:100; height:100;
    clip:rect(4,33,17,2);
    left:36px; top:48px;z-index:100;">
    <table border=0 width=38 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td>
    <input type="text" size="5" name="y_layer" value="0"
    style="background-color:transparent;
    color:black";>
    </td></tr></table>
    </Div>


    </form>

    </Div>
    <!------------------------------->
    <!--XY Coord Display------------->
    <!------------------------------->





    </html>
    , Sep 22, 2006
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  2. richard Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I have a really professional conspiracy movie site
    > and I use tons of layers and an external scroll bar assembly.
    > I would like to put the various sections into MS Iframes and
    > in order to clean up the page but I find that the iframes interfere
    > with the getting the mouse coords from the screen which is
    > essential in moving the scroll bar around.
    >
    > My test html is given below. With the iframe hidden the mouse coords
    > are obtainable. With the iframe visible things get buggy.
    >
    >


    A lot of people might want to see the work in action. So they can see
    firsthand what problems might be.
    If you have a working page, with the errors you're seeking to correct,
    posting the link would help.
    I did notice you're using inline "style" as opposed to an off page CSS file
    or even defining in the "head".
    As well as embedded javascript.

    The major problem with an iframe is, it is still a page by itself somewhere
    else on your site.
    What you need is a script that will reach out to that other page and work
    with it.

    Also what's the point of having such a huge iframe and no scrolling?
    How am I expected to see what else there is?
    richard, Sep 22, 2006
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  3. Guest

    richard wrote:
    > <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > >I have a really professional conspiracy movie site
    > > and I use tons of layers and an external scroll bar assembly.
    > > I would like to put the various sections into MS Iframes and
    > > in order to clean up the page but I find that the iframes interfere
    > > with the getting the mouse coords from the screen which is
    > > essential in moving the scroll bar around.
    > >
    > > My test html is given below. With the iframe hidden the mouse coords
    > > are obtainable. With the iframe visible things get buggy.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > A lot of people might want to see the work in action. So they can see
    > firsthand what problems might be.
    > If you have a working page, with the errors you're seeking to correct,
    > posting the link would help.
    > I did notice you're using inline "style" as opposed to an off page CSS file
    > or even defining in the "head".
    > As well as embedded javascript.
    >
    > The major problem with an iframe is, it is still a page by itself somewhere
    > else on your site.
    > What you need is a script that will reach out to that other page and work
    > with it.
    >
    > Also what's the point of having such a huge iframe and no scrolling?
    > How am I expected to see what else there is?



    When the Iframe is included on this sparse test page
    the readout of the mouse position crashes which
    means that the iframe is causing problems when it
    should have no effect on obtaining the mouse
    coords. If you look at my index_1.html page at
    mansueact.com you'll find all your answers__all the
    divs are visible and all the scripting is visible. I'd like
    to tidy up the page with Iframes where the scripts
    associated with the layers would be contained in
    the corresponding iframe. The page would then just
    be a group of Div tags with nested Iframe tags and I
    would then be moving around the Divs and calling
    functions in the Iframes. But the user wouldn't know this.

    I'm assuming that if I can get the mouse coords with an
    iframe visible then I can make the rest of the page work.

    The major problem is my page scroll bar and that the user
    cannot click and move it around the page when I use
    Iframes. And, it is a very neat scroll bar.

    Also, I only use and code for MSIE.

    Thank you for your quick response.

    >From Orlando,


    The Banished Celebrity Publisher.
    , Sep 22, 2006
    #3
  4. wrote:
    <snip>

    > Also, I only use and code for MSIE.


    Well for last month on my site my server log showed only 53% MSIE and it
    has been dropping from 98% just a few years ago. So you are okay with
    turning away maybe half your audience. Oh! Wait! I doesn't work in IE
    either...maybe you aught to rethink your design?

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
    Jonathan N. Little, Sep 22, 2006
    #4
  5. Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    > wrote:
    > <snip>
    >
    >> Also, I only use and code for MSIE.

    >
    > Well for last month on my site my server log showed only 53% MSIE and
    > it has been dropping from 98% just a few years ago. So you are okay
    > with turning away maybe half your audience.


    Have you never heard of intranets? or company policies requiring the use
    of IE?
    Oh right, you would never work for a such a dictatorial company.

    --
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    Please reply to the newsgroup. The email account listed in my From
    header is my spam trap, so I don't check it very often. You will get a
    quicker response by posting to the newsgroup.
    Bob Barrows [MVP], Sep 22, 2006
    #5
  6. Bob Barrows [MVP] wrote

    > Have you never heard of intranets? or company policies requiring the use
    > of IE?
    > Oh right, you would never work for a such a dictatorial company.


    Quite right too. I wouldn't work for any company if I could avoid it.

    --
    Charles Sweeney
    http://CharlesSweeney.com
    Charles Sweeney, Sep 22, 2006
    #6
  7. Bob Barrows [MVP] wrote:
    > Have you never heard of intranets? or company policies requiring the use
    > of IE?
    > Oh right, you would never work for a such a dictatorial company.


    The OP didn't mention an intranet. Since he posted to alt.html, we can
    only assume that he was talking about the Web.
    Leif K-Brooks, Sep 22, 2006
    #7
  8. Brian Wakem Guest

    wrote:

    > richard wrote:
    >> <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> >I have a really professional conspiracy movie site
    >> > and I use tons of layers and an external scroll bar assembly.
    >> > I would like to put the various sections into MS Iframes and
    >> > in order to clean up the page but I find that the iframes interfere
    >> > with the getting the mouse coords from the screen which is
    >> > essential in moving the scroll bar around.
    >> >
    >> > My test html is given below. With the iframe hidden the mouse coords
    >> > are obtainable. With the iframe visible things get buggy.
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >> A lot of people might want to see the work in action. So they can see
    >> firsthand what problems might be.
    >> If you have a working page, with the errors you're seeking to correct,
    >> posting the link would help.
    >> I did notice you're using inline "style" as opposed to an off page CSS
    >> file or even defining in the "head".
    >> As well as embedded javascript.
    >>
    >> The major problem with an iframe is, it is still a page by itself
    >> somewhere else on your site.
    >> What you need is a script that will reach out to that other page and work
    >> with it.
    >>
    >> Also what's the point of having such a huge iframe and no scrolling?
    >> How am I expected to see what else there is?

    >
    >
    > When the Iframe is included on this sparse test page
    > the readout of the mouse position crashes which
    > means that the iframe is causing problems when it
    > should have no effect on obtaining the mouse
    > coords. If you look at my index_1.html page at
    > mansueact.com you'll find all your answers__all the
    > divs are visible and all the scripting is visible. I'd like
    > to tidy up the page with Iframes where the scripts
    > associated with the layers would be contained in
    > the corresponding iframe. The page would then just
    > be a group of Div tags with nested Iframe tags and I
    > would then be moving around the Divs and calling
    > functions in the Iframes. But the user wouldn't know this.
    >
    > I'm assuming that if I can get the mouse coords with an
    > iframe visible then I can make the rest of the page work.
    >
    > The major problem is my page scroll bar and that the user
    > cannot click and move it around the page when I use
    > Iframes.



    You have much bigger problems than that. Your site is completely screwed in
    Konqueror.


    > And, it is a very neat scroll bar.
    >
    > Also, I only use and code for MSIE.



    You are joking, right?


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    Brian Wakem
    Email: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/b.wakem/myemail.png
    Brian Wakem, Sep 22, 2006
    #8
  9. Bob Barrows [MVP] wrote:
    > Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    >> wrote:
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >>> Also, I only use and code for MSIE.

    >> Well for last month on my site my server log showed only 53% MSIE and
    >> it has been dropping from 98% just a few years ago. So you are okay
    >> with turning away maybe half your audience.

    >
    > Have you never heard of intranets? or company policies requiring the use
    > of IE?
    > Oh right, you would never work for a such a dictatorial company.
    >

    Gee that doesn't seem to be to tone of your glorious leader!

    http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/execmail/2005/02-03interoperability.asp
    Executive E-Mail: Bill Gates on Interoperability

    Guess he can talk the talk but not walk the walk....

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
    Jonathan N. Little, Sep 22, 2006
    #9
  10. Bob Barrows [MVP] wrote:
    > Have you never heard of intranets? or company policies
    > requiring the use of IE?


    Have you never hear of portals? I work for a company that forces the use of
    IE on every machine. We still code to standards because our intranet is
    iChain-accelerated for remote access by any browser anywhere. The OP's
    company could do the same in a day and he would be instantly affected by the
    choice to ignore browser diversity.



    --
    Dave Anderson

    Unsolicited commercial email will be read at a cost of $500 per message. Use
    of this email address implies consent to these terms.
    Dave Anderson, Sep 22, 2006
    #10
  11. ASM Guest

    a écrit :
    >
    > The major problem is my page scroll bar and that the user
    > cannot click and move it around the page when I use
    > Iframes. And, it is a very neat scroll bar.


    the browser has lost its lifts ?

    there is no way to use css and rule overflow: scroll; ?

    > Also, I only use and code for MSIE.


    and ?

    > Thank you for your quick response.


    In my mind, you need in your pages displayed in iframe a similar
    function as that in main page.

    function iframe_mouseMove(e){
    ms_x = event.x+document.body.scrollLeft;
    ms_y = event.y+document.body.scrollTop;
    if (ms_x < 0){ms_x = 0;}
    if (ms_y < 0){ms_y = 0;}
    parent.document.xy_display.xcoord.value = ms_x;
    parent.document.xy_display.ycoord.value = ms_y;
    return false;
    }

    Don't know reactions of main coordinate function in this case :-(

    --
    ASM
    ASM, Sep 22, 2006
    #11
  12. ASM Guest

    Brian Wakem a écrit :
    > wrote:
    >
    >> The major problem is my page scroll bar and that the user
    >> cannot click and move it around the page when I use
    >> Iframes.

    >
    > You have much bigger problems than that. Your site is completely screwed in
    > Konqueror.


    you know where to see what he means ?

    --
    ASM, Sep 22, 2006
    #12
  13. richard Guest

    "Bob Barrows [MVP]" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    >> wrote:
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >>> Also, I only use and code for MSIE.

    >>
    >> Well for last month on my site my server log showed only 53% MSIE and
    >> it has been dropping from 98% just a few years ago. So you are okay
    >> with turning away maybe half your audience.

    >
    > Have you never heard of intranets? or company policies requiring the use
    > of IE?
    > Oh right, you would never work for a such a dictatorial company.


    Most of us have heard of this. Obviously you must work for MSN.
    AS this person has the page on a standard website, it therefor will be
    available to the common man around the world.
    One of the reasons I quit using IE was because it wouldn't render pages
    correctly.
    And if one has extremely sloppy code, as in this case, IE still manages to
    render the page.
    Therefor, IE does not conform to the standards of the W3C convention.
    Which, BTW, IE was stolen from it's originator and M$ had to cough over a
    huge bundle for the proper rights.
    At least Firefox tries to conform to the W3C standards. IE never will and M$
    don't give a shit.
    Besides IE having numerous security leaks and bugs.
    richard, Sep 23, 2006
    #13
  14. richard Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > richard wrote:
    >> <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> >I have a really professional conspiracy movie site
    >> > and I use tons of layers and an external scroll bar assembly.
    >> > I would like to put the various sections into MS Iframes and
    >> > in order to clean up the page but I find that the iframes interfere
    >> > with the getting the mouse coords from the screen which is
    >> > essential in moving the scroll bar around.
    >> >
    >> > My test html is given below. With the iframe hidden the mouse coords
    >> > are obtainable. With the iframe visible things get buggy.
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >> A lot of people might want to see the work in action. So they can see
    >> firsthand what problems might be.
    >> If you have a working page, with the errors you're seeking to correct,
    >> posting the link would help.
    >> I did notice you're using inline "style" as opposed to an off page CSS
    >> file
    >> or even defining in the "head".
    >> As well as embedded javascript.
    >>
    >> The major problem with an iframe is, it is still a page by itself
    >> somewhere
    >> else on your site.
    >> What you need is a script that will reach out to that other page and work
    >> with it.
    >>
    >> Also what's the point of having such a huge iframe and no scrolling?
    >> How am I expected to see what else there is?

    >
    >
    > When the Iframe is included on this sparse test page
    > the readout of the mouse position crashes which
    > means that the iframe is causing problems when it
    > should have no effect on obtaining the mouse
    > coords. If you look at my index_1.html page at
    > mansueact.com you'll find all your answers__all the
    > divs are visible and all the scripting is visible. I'd like
    > to tidy up the page with Iframes where the scripts
    > associated with the layers would be contained in
    > the corresponding iframe. The page would then just
    > be a group of Div tags with nested Iframe tags and I
    > would then be moving around the Divs and calling
    > functions in the Iframes. But the user wouldn't know this.
    >
    > I'm assuming that if I can get the mouse coords with an
    > iframe visible then I can make the rest of the page work.
    >
    > The major problem is my page scroll bar and that the user
    > cannot click and move it around the page when I use
    > Iframes. And, it is a very neat scroll bar.
    >
    > Also, I only use and code for MSIE.
    >
    > Thank you for your quick response.
    >
    >>From Orlando,

    >
    > The Banished Celebrity Publisher.
    >


    I looked at that page dude. It sucks.
    Get rid of the scrolling binary crap on the notebork for starters.
    If you insist on having it, at least put it to the right of the notebook.
    Then there's all that mesh chain crap. Trash it.
    As it stands now, the only thing I can read is where it says "top 10 alien
    sites".
    You do that shit to impress your coworkers, not for a real life website.
    richard, Sep 23, 2006
    #14
  15. Guest

    richard wrote:
    > <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > richard wrote:
    > >> <> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >> >I have a really professional conspiracy movie site
    > >> > and I use tons of layers and an external scroll bar assembly.
    > >> > I would like to put the various sections into MS Iframes and
    > >> > in order to clean up the page but I find that the iframes interfere
    > >> > with the getting the mouse coords from the screen which is
    > >> > essential in moving the scroll bar around.
    > >> >
    > >> > My test html is given below. With the iframe hidden the mouse coords
    > >> > are obtainable. With the iframe visible things get buggy.
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >> A lot of people might want to see the work in action. So they can see
    > >> firsthand what problems might be.
    > >> If you have a working page, with the errors you're seeking to correct,
    > >> posting the link would help.
    > >> I did notice you're using inline "style" as opposed to an off page CSS
    > >> file
    > >> or even defining in the "head".
    > >> As well as embedded javascript.
    > >>
    > >> The major problem with an iframe is, it is still a page by itself
    > >> somewhere
    > >> else on your site.
    > >> What you need is a script that will reach out to that other page and work
    > >> with it.
    > >>
    > >> Also what's the point of having such a huge iframe and no scrolling?
    > >> How am I expected to see what else there is?

    > >
    > >
    > > When the Iframe is included on this sparse test page
    > > the readout of the mouse position crashes which
    > > means that the iframe is causing problems when it
    > > should have no effect on obtaining the mouse
    > > coords. If you look at my index_1.html page at
    > > mansueact.com you'll find all your answers__all the
    > > divs are visible and all the scripting is visible. I'd like
    > > to tidy up the page with Iframes where the scripts
    > > associated with the layers would be contained in
    > > the corresponding iframe. The page would then just
    > > be a group of Div tags with nested Iframe tags and I
    > > would then be moving around the Divs and calling
    > > functions in the Iframes. But the user wouldn't know this.
    > >
    > > I'm assuming that if I can get the mouse coords with an
    > > iframe visible then I can make the rest of the page work.
    > >
    > > The major problem is my page scroll bar and that the user
    > > cannot click and move it around the page when I use
    > > Iframes. And, it is a very neat scroll bar.
    > >
    > > Also, I only use and code for MSIE.
    > >
    > > Thank you for your quick response.
    > >
    > >>From Orlando,

    > >
    > > The Banished Celebrity Publisher.
    > >

    >
    > I looked at that page dude. It sucks.
    > Get rid of the scrolling binary crap on the notebork for starters.
    > If you insist on having it, at least put it to the right of the notebook.
    > Then there's all that mesh chain crap. Trash it.
    > As it stands now, the only thing I can read is where it says "top 10 alien
    > sites".
    > You do that shit to impress your coworkers, not for a real life website.


    Hey, got you fellas all in a tuss! My philosphy is that at this point
    all
    browsers should be standardized and if they ain't, I'm not going to
    code for "cross" platform portability. I like the way MS js works
    and it works for me. Also, did you note that I don't code using
    java or c+++++ concepts. I code for humans because I am a human.
    Imagine all those people who buy all those books on website design
    and jscript and still cannot figure out how to move layers or
    change background colors. What is oop? You don't have to be
    a rocket scientist to understand loops and decision statements.

    And, although the suggestion about putting the mouse functions in
    the iframe it doesn't make any sense since the mouse coords are
    absolute screen coords and, this is the kicker, the click and move
    scripts and mouse coord scripts are in the main page not the iframes.

    How many of you pro coders actually tried to get the mouse coords to
    readout when the iframe is visible? It works perfectly when the iframe
    is hidden. Sounds like a major bug but maybe not.

    Anyway, my site is the most profession looking jscript movie site on
    the
    net which isn't saying much since the "net" as we know is quite fake.

    Also, what about those clunky layer movements? How can various
    layer movement intefere with each other or how can background
    animations interfere with moving a layer from point a to point b?

    Anyway, thank you for your responses who-ever you are and by the
    lack of any real responses it is another indication that the net is
    quite fake.

    >From the Orlando Hive where these Klan-Aliens have their brains

    wave-wired to the net,

    Wayne E. Manzo,
    Banished Celebrity Publisher, Human Rights Leader, Scientist
    www.mansueact.com
    www.mansueact.com/american_resister
    , Sep 23, 2006
    #15
  16. Ben Measures Guest

    On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 06:37:00 -0700, wmanzo wrote:

    > Hey, got you fellas all in a tuss! My philosphy is that at this point
    > all browsers should be standardized


    There are standards: <http://www.w3.org>.

    > and if they ain't, I'm not going to code for "cross" platform
    > portability.


    If you follow the standards, cross-platform comes free. Instead, you've
    _chosen_ to ignore the standards and code for "single" platform.

    > I like the way MS js works and it works for me.


    It's not about you - it's about your vistors. Of course, it's entirely
    your prerogative to take the attitude of "screw the visitors, who needs
    them anyways" - just don't expect to get any.

    > [...] I code for humans because I am a human.


    It is computers, not humans, that interpret your code.

    > [snip irrelevant nonsense]
    >
    > Anyway, my site is the most profession looking jscript movie site on the
    > net which isn't saying much since the "net" as we know is quite fake.
    >
    > [...]
    >
    > Anyway, thank you for your responses who-ever you are and by the lack of
    > any real responses it is another indication that the net is quite fake.


    So what are you doing wasting your time here, if you think all is fake? I
    smell a troll.

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    Ben Measures
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    Ben Measures, Sep 23, 2006
    #16
  17. Paul Watt Guest

    >> >
    >> > Also, I only use and code for MSIE.
    >> >

    > Anyway, my site is the most profession looking jscript movie site on
    > the
    > net which isn't saying much since the "net" as we know is quite fake.
    >
    > Also, what about those clunky layer movements? How can various
    > layer movement intefere with each other or how can background
    > animations interfere with moving a layer from point a to point b?
    >
    > Anyway, thank you for your responses who-ever you are and by the
    > lack of any real responses it is another indication that the net is
    > quite fake.
    >
    >>From the Orlando Hive where these Klan-Aliens have their brains

    > wave-wired to the net,
    >


    Are you serious? You think your site looks professional? Tell me thats not a
    animated GIF for your title? Wheres all my browser controls gone? I make the
    decisions about what goes on with MY browser on MY computer, not you.

    Plus that mouse over on the top ten lists only obscures the text.
    I personally think that any site that relys on anything other than HTML and
    CSS for the front end is fundermentaly flawed.
    Start again, strip out all the crap - you don't need it, validate to w3c
    standards then re-post here, i'm interested in the content.

    --
    Cheers

    Paul
    le singe est dans l'arbre
    http://www.paulwatt.info
    Paul Watt, Sep 23, 2006
    #17
  18. BBM Guest

    wrote:
    > Hey, got you fellas all in a tuss! My philosphy is that at this point
    > all
    > browsers should be standardized


    Your'e right, they should.

    > and if they ain't, I'm not going to
    > code for "cross" platform portability.


    Reasonable, though coding to the standards should give you portability
    anyways...

    > I like the way MS js works
    > and it works for me.


    I'm impressed by two statements: MS JS works, and MS JS works for you.
    Both cases seem impossible.

    > Also, did you note that I don't code using
    > java or c+++++ concepts. I code for humans because I am a human.


    So your visitors get to sift though your code to form an image of your
    webpage in their mind?

    > Imagine all those people who buy all those books on website design
    > and jscript and still cannot figure out how to move layers or
    > change background colors.


    Or, imagine all those people who look up free resources on website
    design and jscript and manage to produce valid, portable, and effective
    websites, while getting annoyed at people who haven't read anything and
    are still using outdated and proprietary code.

    > How many of you pro coders actually tried to get the mouse coords to
    > readout when the iframe is visible? It works perfectly when the iframe
    > is hidden. Sounds like a major bug but maybe not.


    What are you even using mouse coordinates for? I looked at your
    homepage and your index_1.html in both FFX and IE, and noticed nothing
    different depending on mouse position.

    > Anyway, my site is the most profession looking jscript movie site on
    > the
    > net which isn't saying much since the "net" as we know is quite fake.


    If your site is the most professional looking, does that mean you've
    cornered the market for 'jscript movie sites'? Because the only way I
    could see it being the most professional looking was if it were the
    only one in existence.

    > Anyway, thank you for your responses who-ever you are and by the
    > lack of any real responses it is another indication that the net is
    > quite fake.


    The 'net is quite real. Lack of response just means other either A)
    don't know the answer, B) haven't seen the question, or C) don't think
    the question is worth answering.

    Since your question was emailed to large numbers of people, (B) is
    right out. Since this is a mailing list full of informed people on the
    subject of webmasters ing creating webpages, I seriously doubt (A) is
    true. By process of elimination, we come to (C) as the reason for
    little response.


    PS: neither page looked good in Internet Explorer, and much much MUCH
    less so in Firefox.
    BBM, Sep 24, 2006
    #18
  19. Guest

    Paul Watt wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> > Also, I only use and code for MSIE.
    > >> >

    > > Anyway, my site is the most profession looking jscript movie site on
    > > the
    > > net which isn't saying much since the "net" as we know is quite fake.
    > >
    > > Also, what about those clunky layer movements? How can various
    > > layer movement intefere with each other or how can background
    > > animations interfere with moving a layer from point a to point b?
    > >
    > > Anyway, thank you for your responses who-ever you are and by the
    > > lack of any real responses it is another indication that the net is
    > > quite fake.
    > >
    > >>From the Orlando Hive where these Klan-Aliens have their brains

    > > wave-wired to the net,
    > >

    >
    > Are you serious? You think your site looks professional? Tell me thats not a
    > animated GIF for your title? Wheres all my browser controls gone? I make the
    > decisions about what goes on with MY browser on MY computer, not you.
    >
    > Plus that mouse over on the top ten lists only obscures the text.
    > I personally think that any site that relys on anything other than HTML and
    > CSS for the front end is fundermentaly flawed.
    > Start again, strip out all the crap - you don't need it, validate to w3c
    > standards then re-post here, i'm interested in the content.
    >
    > --
    > Cheers
    >
    > Paul
    > le singe est dans l'arbre
    > http://www.paulwatt.info



    Dear Paul,

    I'm a publisher not a programmer or html coded. I utilize simple html,
    layers,
    and jscript to make my sites the best.When the "Feds-Klan" stops
    censoring
    my sites then I'll hire real humans to re-code. And, it is the "Feds
    Klan"
    or "Foo" who control the net, your computer, and even what you think.
    Welcome to the real world.

    If the site is censored, no use coding for other browsers? And,
    since when is jscript not w3c compliant? I don't know much about
    css or w3c because I'm a censored publisher who has been banished
    but I do know that my stuff works on MSIE and that the books available
    for web design and jscript are not really helpful to the general
    public.
    If you want to web design and utilize web dynamics then you don't
    need to know what c++++++ or java is or OOP. And Paul, what is
    photography or multi-media to a race of telepathic wave heads?
    Nothing! Multimedia is a joke to the Foo community.

    I can develop a book that would enable anybody to learn webdesign,html,
    and jscript and develop functional interestng sites without learning
    high level programming or even how to install "Dreamweaver" on their
    computer. And, poor O'Reilly with his(her) stupid techical computer
    books with their stupid covers will probably kill me.

    Also, still having problems with my scrolling layer test page. As you
    scroll a layer over an iframe the iframe inteferes with the scrolling
    script because the xy mouse pos becomes rel to the iframe and not
    absolute. Scripting for this situation becomes a little bit harder but
    it may be possible. I wanted to load all my page sections into
    individual iframes but the scrollbar situation occurred. I believe
    that each layer should have access to the mouse coords regardless. So,
    even when you mouse over an iframe the absolute coords should still be
    obtained in the main page and in the iframe you should also have access
    to the relative coords. So, if I used the xy coord display and scripts
    in the iframe and main page, as the mouse is moved over the iframe you
    should see the absolute coords in the main page display and the
    relative coords in the iframe display. But, unfortunately it doesn't
    work this way. I wonder why?

    >From Klan Orlando where Mickey has been enslaved and is forced to

    walk around in public wearing a dress and high heals,

    Wayne E. Manzo, Phd,Dsic
    Banished Publisher, Human Rights Leader, Scientist

    www.mansueact.com
    http://www.mansueact.com/art/wem_art_911wtc.html
    , Sep 24, 2006
    #19
  20. richard wrote:
    > "Bob Barrows [MVP]" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    >>> wrote:
    >>> <snip>
    >>>
    >>>> Also, I only use and code for MSIE.
    >>>
    >>> Well for last month on my site my server log showed only 53% MSIE
    >>> and it has been dropping from 98% just a few years ago. So you are okay
    >>> with turning away maybe half your audience.

    >>
    >> Have you never heard of intranets? or company policies requiring the
    >> use of IE?
    >> Oh right, you would never work for a such a dictatorial company.

    >
    > Most of us have heard of this. Obviously you must work for MSN.


    Huh? Why would you assume that???

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    "NO SPAM"
    Bob Barrows [MVP], Sep 24, 2006
    #20
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