Is London in the USA?

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Awake, Jul 25, 2005.

  1. Awake

    Awake Guest

    I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London bombings
    yet I just cannot get away from it. Anytime I zip through the channels there
    are senior English police officers giving interviews to the Goebbels like
    "American" TV anchors who are busy repeating the big lie about some
    fictional terror organization called "Al Qaeda". Not a shred of evidence
    of course, but constant repetition of the big lie.

    What blows my mind is why there is just as much if not more TV "news"
    time devoted to these events -which quite frankly killed a piddling number
    of people- as if thousands were killed here in America. Even more disturbing
    though is the continued connections to the London bombings to legislation
    to curtail our civil rights here in America, and to give police even more power
    to arrest, beat, torture and kill us. Even the CIA has representatives on TV
    threatening us with more attacks here and justifying their use of torture even
    though things continue to get worse. They also want surveillance cameras
    installed everywhere except in prisons.

    And the media just keeps on driving the debate further to the right. It is as
    if Roosevelt had suspended the Constitution because "the commies"
    burned down the Reichstag.

    With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
    the world by the CIA, with the thousands of surveillance cameras and the
    tens of thousands murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan, the problem only seems
    to grow worse, yet the TV "news" media here in America spread more fear
    and denounce any resistance as the work of "traitors".

    The Constitution has all but been abolished in New York in the wake of the
    bombings in London, England and not a word in opposition is to be heard,
    just more fear mongering 24/7.

    And let us not forget the martyrdom conferred upon the "injured Americans"
    in the London bombings and the soon to be conferred martyrdom upon the
    dead American in the Egypt bombing. These victims are receiving more
    TV time then any soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan has; and while all these fake
    tears are dripped upon the memory of these previously anonymous bombing
    victims, several hundred Americans have been killed in automobile collisions.

    We are sitting still watching our free countries be turned into lock down
    police states with murderous, trigger happy cops given the OK to shoot
    first and justify the murder later on. Remember my fellow freedom lovers;
    this "War on Terror" has no end. The perpetrators (CIA) of it tell us this
    nearly every day.


    - - - - - -
    "According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
    the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
    Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
    the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards
    and all I wanted to do at that time was kill, kill, kill."'
    Moloney quotes Gehring as having said."
    -Jonathan Kwitny,"The Crimes of Patriots" ISBN: 0-393-02387-7
    Awake, Jul 25, 2005
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  2. Barbara de Zoete, Jul 25, 2005
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  3. In article <>,
    says...
    > I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London bombings


    Nor pick appropriate newsgroups, it seems.

    --
    Hywel

    Kill the Crazy Frog
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    Hywel Jenkins, Jul 25, 2005
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  4. Hywel Jenkins wrote:
    > In article <>,
    > says...
    >
    >>I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London bombings

    >
    > Nor pick appropriate newsgroups, it seems.

    Unless he would like to drive in some expansive cars/auto's.
    --
    Edwin van der Vaart
    http://www.semi-conductor.nl/ Links to Semiconductors sites
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    Edwin van der Vaart, Jul 25, 2005
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  5. Edwin van der Vaart wrote:
    > Hywel Jenkins wrote:
    >
    >> In article <>,
    >> says...
    >>
    >>> I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London
    >>> bombings

    >>
    >>
    >> Nor pick appropriate newsgroups, it seems.

    >
    > Unless he would like to drive in some expansive cars/auto's.

    expensive :O)
    --
    Edwin van der Vaart
    http://www.semi-conductor.nl/ Links to Semiconductors sites
    http://www.evandervaart.nl/ Under construction
    Edwin van der Vaart, Jul 25, 2005
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  6. Awake

    zerouali Guest

    I'm simply amazed that the original poster can actually work a computer if
    the drivel posted is representative of the individuals IQ.

    "Edwin van der Vaart" <> wrote in message
    news:n0bFe.1317$jA4.869@amstwist00...
    > Edwin van der Vaart wrote:
    >> Hywel Jenkins wrote:
    >>
    >>> In article <>,
    >>> says...
    >>>
    >>>> I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London
    >>>> bombings
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Nor pick appropriate newsgroups, it seems.

    >>
    >> Unless he would like to drive in some expansive cars/auto's.

    > expensive :O)
    > --
    > Edwin van der Vaart
    > http://www.semi-conductor.nl/ Links to Semiconductors sites
    > http://www.evandervaart.nl/ Under construction
    zerouali, Jul 25, 2005
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  7. Awake

    PC Medic Guest


    > What blows my mind is why there is just as much if not more TV "news"
    > time devoted to these events -which quite frankly killed a piddling number
    > of people-


    Perhaps if one of these 'piddling number of people' were a relative of yours
    you would think differently.
    The fact they were not American is as irrelevant as the rest of your post.
    What makes our lives more valuable than another's!?

    Now go away troll!
    PC Medic, Jul 25, 2005
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  8. Awake

    Proconsul Guest

    Please have your therapist adjust your medication - you are one sick puppy,
    not to mention being semi-braindead.......:(

    By the way, you appear to be in Australia - what's your main source of
    paranoia about what is happening in the US or the UK?....:)

    PC


    On 7/25/05 11:44 AM, in article ,
    "Awake" wrote:

    > I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London bombings
    > yet I just cannot get away from it. Anytime I zip through the channels there
    > are senior English police officers giving interviews to the Goebbels like
    > "American" TV anchors who are busy repeating the big lie about some
    > fictional terror organization called "Al Qaeda". Not a shred of evidence
    > of course, but constant repetition of the big lie.
    >
    > What blows my mind is why there is just as much if not more TV "news"
    > time devoted to these events -which quite frankly killed a piddling number
    > of people- as if thousands were killed here in America. Even more disturbing
    > though is the continued connections to the London bombings to legislation
    > to curtail our civil rights here in America, and to give police even more
    > power
    > to arrest, beat, torture and kill us. Even the CIA has representatives on TV
    > threatening us with more attacks here and justifying their use of torture even
    > though things continue to get worse. They also want surveillance cameras
    > installed everywhere except in prisons.
    >
    > And the media just keeps on driving the debate further to the right. It is as
    > if Roosevelt had suspended the Constitution because "the commies"
    > burned down the Reichstag.
    >
    > With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
    > the world by the CIA, with the thousands of surveillance cameras and the
    > tens of thousands murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan, the problem only seems
    > to grow worse, yet the TV "news" media here in America spread more fear
    > and denounce any resistance as the work of "traitors".
    >
    > The Constitution has all but been abolished in New York in the wake of the
    > bombings in London, England and not a word in opposition is to be heard,
    > just more fear mongering 24/7.
    >
    > And let us not forget the martyrdom conferred upon the "injured Americans"
    > in the London bombings and the soon to be conferred martyrdom upon the
    > dead American in the Egypt bombing. These victims are receiving more
    > TV time then any soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan has; and while all these fake
    > tears are dripped upon the memory of these previously anonymous bombing
    > victims, several hundred Americans have been killed in automobile collisions.
    >
    > We are sitting still watching our free countries be turned into lock down
    > police states with murderous, trigger happy cops given the OK to shoot
    > first and justify the murder later on. Remember my fellow freedom lovers;
    > this "War on Terror" has no end. The perpetrators (CIA) of it tell us this
    > nearly every day.
    >
    >
    > - - - - - -
    > "According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
    > the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
    > Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
    > the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards
    > and all I wanted to do at that time was kill, kill, kill."'
    > Moloney quotes Gehring as having said."
    > -Jonathan Kwitny,"The Crimes of Patriots" ISBN: 0-393-02387-7
    >
    Proconsul, Jul 25, 2005
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  9. Awake

    Cowgum Guest

    PC Medic wrote:
    >>What blows my mind is why there is just as much if not more TV "news"
    >>time devoted to these events -which quite frankly killed a piddling number
    >>of people-

    >
    >
    > Perhaps if one of these 'piddling number of people' were a relative of yours
    > you would think differently.
    > The fact they were not American is as irrelevant as the rest of your post.
    > What makes our lives more valuable than another's!?
    >
    > Now go away troll!
    >
    >

    It's too bad he put it that way.. I know I really shouldn't bother
    responding, but still..
    I understand his point, you can basicly gain votes in almost every
    country or even win an election if you just use the word terrorism a
    lot.. I read an article about this a while ago, it seemed the rate of
    terrorist attacks was in the 70's much higher than now.. But yea, as
    long as the media keep feeding them that will change..
    Funny how the same system we use to communicate and discuss, or even
    allows us to buy our daily lucky strike had a very signivicant role as
    being the most propaganda generating, fear causing machine

    To me personally the London attack, the worst consequence is not the
    people who miss a member from their family (please don't get me wrong; I
    know it's terrible for them) but the media riot thats coming from it..
    The effect it will have on society.. If it's not just fear, there will
    be hate.. I come from the netherlands myself, and I have friends around
    in other places of the world; and everybody notices effects. Great..
    that's exactly what your enemy wants, whoever it is..

    wtf, I sound like a hippy..

    Cowgum
    Cowgum, Jul 25, 2005
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  10. Awake

    Neredbojias Guest

    With neither quill nor qualm, Awake quothed:

    > With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
    > the world by the CIA


    Yeah? What decade was that?

    The rest of your spiel was just as irrational as that lie.

    --
    Neredbojias
    Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.
    Neredbojias, Jul 26, 2005
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  11. Awake

    Drumstick Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    > I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London bombings
    > yet I just cannot get away from it. Anytime I zip through the channels there
    > are senior English police officers giving interviews to the Goebbels like
    > "American" TV anchors who are busy repeating the big lie about some
    > fictional terror organization called "Al Qaeda". Not a shred of evidence
    > of course, but constant repetition of the big lie.
    >
    > What blows my mind is why there is just as much if not more TV "news"
    > time devoted to these events -which quite frankly killed a piddling number
    > of people- as if thousands were killed here in America. Even more disturbing
    > though is the continued connections to the London bombings to legislation
    > to curtail our civil rights here in America, and to give police even more power
    > to arrest, beat, torture and kill us. Even the CIA has representatives on TV
    > threatening us with more attacks here and justifying their use of torture even
    > though things continue to get worse. They also want surveillance cameras
    > installed everywhere except in prisons.
    >
    > And the media just keeps on driving the debate further to the right. It is as
    > if Roosevelt had suspended the Constitution because "the commies"
    > burned down the Reichstag.
    >
    > With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
    > the world by the CIA, with the thousands of surveillance cameras and the
    > tens of thousands murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan, the problem only seems
    > to grow worse, yet the TV "news" media here in America spread more fear
    > and denounce any resistance as the work of "traitors".
    >
    > The Constitution has all but been abolished in New York in the wake of the
    > bombings in London, England and not a word in opposition is to be heard,
    > just more fear mongering 24/7.
    >
    > And let us not forget the martyrdom conferred upon the "injured Americans"
    > in the London bombings and the soon to be conferred martyrdom upon the
    > dead American in the Egypt bombing. These victims are receiving more
    > TV time then any soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan has; and while all these fake
    > tears are dripped upon the memory of these previously anonymous bombing
    > victims, several hundred Americans have been killed in automobile collisions.
    >
    > We are sitting still watching our free countries be turned into lock down
    > police states with murderous, trigger happy cops given the OK to shoot
    > first and justify the murder later on. Remember my fellow freedom lovers;
    > this "War on Terror" has no end. The perpetrators (CIA) of it tell us this
    > nearly every day.
    >
    >
    > - - - - - -
    > "According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
    > the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
    > Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
    > the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards


    In other words, we ain't buying....go sell it somewhere else!
    Drumstick, Jul 26, 2005
    #11
  12. Awake

    dorayme Guest

    > From: Neredbojias <>
    >
    > With neither quill nor qualm, Awake quothed:
    >
    >> With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
    >> the world by the CIA

    >
    > Yeah? What decade was that?
    >
    > The rest of your spiel was just as irrational as that lie.



    I don't think it was *just as*. Come to think of it, you reason nice and
    simple... not by any chance the real George Bush are you?


    dorayme
    dorayme, Jul 26, 2005
    #12
  13. Awake

    Neredbojias Guest

    With neither quill nor qualm, dorayme quothed:

    > > The rest of your spiel was just as irrational as that lie.

    >
    >
    > I don't think it was *just as*. Come to think of it, you reason nice and
    > simple... not by any chance the real George Bush are you?


    No, I don't subscribe to most of the the tenets of the Republican party
    and consider ol' George far from being the ideal president. He's a good
    politician, though; I'll give him that. But as to your first statement,
    did you agree (with me) or not? Everyone likes to blame the CIA for
    inciting everything up to and including another World War and the same
    CIA certainly has had its peccadilloes but in my opinion that's like
    blaming Eve for Adolph Hitler.

    You have to remember that terrorists may be clever but they're not
    smart. If they were smart they'd come up with some real, viable ways to
    accomplish their goals instead of just reacting to their frustration
    like spoiled children. Osama bin Laden and all of Al Qaeda are much
    like the bully gangs of my primary school days, the members of which are
    now generally living sub-par lives due to their own delusions and
    indulgence.

    --
    Neredbojias
    Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.
    Neredbojias, Jul 26, 2005
    #13
  14. Edwin van der Vaart, Jul 26, 2005
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  15. Awake

    Mike Lindsay Guest

    In article <>, Awake
    <> writes
    >I have not made any effort to follow the aftermath of the London bombings
    >yet I just cannot get away from it. Anytime I zip through the channels there
    >are senior English police officers giving interviews to the Goebbels like
    >"American" TV anchors who are busy repeating the big lie about some
    >fictional terror organization called "Al Qaeda". Not a shred of evidence
    >of course, but constant repetition of the big lie.
    >
    >What blows my mind is why there is just as much if not more TV "news"
    >time devoted to these events -which quite frankly killed a piddling number
    >of people- as if thousands were killed here in America. Even more disturbing
    >though is the continued connections to the London bombings to legislation
    >to curtail our civil rights here in America, and to give police even more power
    >to arrest, beat, torture and kill us. Even the CIA has representatives on TV
    >threatening us with more attacks here and justifying their use of torture even
    >though things continue to get worse. They also want surveillance cameras
    >installed everywhere except in prisons.
    >
    >And the media just keeps on driving the debate further to the right. It is as
    >if Roosevelt had suspended the Constitution because "the commies"
    >burned down the Reichstag.
    >
    >With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
    >the world by the CIA, with the thousands of surveillance cameras and the
    >tens of thousands murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan, the problem only seems
    >to grow worse, yet the TV "news" media here in America spread more fear
    >and denounce any resistance as the work of "traitors".
    >
    >The Constitution has all but been abolished in New York in the wake of the
    >bombings in London, England and not a word in opposition is to be heard,
    >just more fear mongering 24/7.
    >
    >And let us not forget the martyrdom conferred upon the "injured Americans"
    >in the London bombings and the soon to be conferred martyrdom upon the
    >dead American in the Egypt bombing. These victims are receiving more
    >TV time then any soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan has; and while all these fake
    >tears are dripped upon the memory of these previously anonymous bombing
    >victims, several hundred Americans have been killed in automobile collisions.
    >
    >We are sitting still watching our free countries be turned into lock down
    >police states with murderous, trigger happy cops given the OK to shoot
    >first and justify the murder later on. Remember my fellow freedom lovers;
    >this "War on Terror" has no end. The perpetrators (CIA) of it tell us this
    >nearly every day.
    >
    >
    >- - - - - -
    >"According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
    >the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
    >Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
    >the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards
    >and all I wanted to do at that time was kill, kill, kill."'
    >Moloney quotes Gehring as having said."
    >-Jonathan Kwitny,"The Crimes of Patriots" ISBN: 0-393-02387-7
    >


    Yes, very interesting, but not a lot to do with Volvos, is it?
    --
    Mike Lindsay
    Mike Lindsay, Jul 26, 2005
    #15
  16. Awake

    dorayme Guest

    > From: Neredbojias <>
    >
    > With neither quill nor qualm, dorayme quothed:
    >
    >>> The rest of your spiel was just as irrational as that lie.

    >>
    >>
    >> I don't think it was *just as*. Come to think of it, you reason nice and
    >> simple... not by any chance the real George Bush are you?

    >
    > No, I don't subscribe to most of the the tenets of the Republican party
    > and consider ol' George far from being the ideal president. He's a good
    > politician, though; I'll give him that. But as to your first statement,
    > did you agree (with me) or not?
    >


    Not really. There were sentiments in the OP that were not as wild as others.
    If you want more, set up a blog and tell me where I can give you a piece of
    my mind.

    dorayme
    dorayme, Jul 27, 2005
    #16
  17. Awake

    Awake Guest

    On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Neredbojias <> wrote:
    >With neither quill nor qualm, Awake quothed:
    >
    >> With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
    >> the world by the CIA

    >
    >Yeah? What decade was that?



    Oh my, another ignorant piece of shit who thinks he knows all.

    Read:

    "The criminal prosecution of terrorist suspects has
    not been a priority for the Bush Administration,
    which has focussed, rather, on preventing additional
    attacks. But some people who have been fighting
    terrorism for many years are concerned about
    unintended consequences of the Administration's
    radical legal measures. Among these critics is
    Michael Scheuer, a former C.I.A. counter-terrorism
    expert who helped establish the practice of
    rendition. Scheuer left the agency in 2004, and has
    written two acerbic critiques of the government's
    fight against Islamic terrorism under the pseudonym
    Anonymous, the most recent of which, 'Imperial
    Hubris,' was a best-seller.

    Not long ago, Scheuer, who lives in northern
    Virginia, spoke openly for the first time about how
    he and several other top C.I.A. officials set up the
    program, in the mid-nineties."


    Michael Scheuer has made some appearances on TV such as "Face The Nation",
    interviewed by Tim Russert. The Italian authorities should issue an arrest warrant
    for him.

    Continue your education (BTW, this is from The New Yorker, Feb 2005):

    "Scheuer sought the counsel of Mary Jo White, the
    former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of
    New York, who, along with a small group of F.B.I.
    agents, was pursuing the 1993 World Trade Center
    bombing case. In 1998, White's team obtained an
    indictment against bin Laden, authorizing U.S.
    agents to bring him and his associates to the United
    States to stand trial. From the start, though, the C.I.
    A. was wary of granting terrorism suspects the due
    process afforded by American law."


    Don't expect the CIA to turn over their agents for trial in Italy, they
    believe they are above all laws.

    Continue reading:

    "The agency realized that 'we had to
    come up with a third party'."

    "The obvious choice, Scheuer said, was Egypt. The
    largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid after Israel,
    Egypt was a key strategic ally, and its secret police
    force, the Mukhabarat, had a reputation for brutality.
    Egypt had been frequently cited by the State
    Department for torture of prisoners. According to a
    2002 report, detainees were "stripped and
    blindfolded; suspended from a ceiling or doorframe
    with feet just touching the floor; beaten with fists,
    whips, metal rods, or other objects; subjected to
    electrical shocks; and doused with cold water [and]
    sexually assaulted.'"


    What more do you need to know? Oh that's right, the "decade" part.

    Read on:

    "In 1995, Scheuer said, American agents proposed
    the rendition program to Egypt, making clear that it
    had the resources to track, capture, and transport
    terrorist suspects globally -including access to a
    small fleet of aircraft. Egypt embraced the idea."


    >The rest of your spiel was just as irrational as that lie.



    No sir, the rest of my post was as accurate and truthful as the above.

    You can probably find this article online if some monkey can show you
    how to use a search engine. The author is Jane Mayer and the title of
    the article is "OUTSOURCING TORTURE: The secret history of America's
    'extraordinary rendition' program." Issue of 2005-02-14


    - - - - - -
    "According to Michael Moloney, Gehring had even applied to
    the CIA, and used to tell a story about it. The marine from
    Dayton 'had no academic credentials,' Moloney relates, but
    the CIA 'liked his attitude. "The world is full of commie bastards
    and all I wanted to do at that time was kill, kill, kill."'
    Moloney quotes Gehring as having said."
    -Jonathan Kwitny,"The Crimes of Patriots" ISBN: 0-393-02387-7
    Awake, Jul 27, 2005
    #17
  18. Awake <> wrote:

    > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Neredbojias <> wrote:
    > >With neither quill nor qualm, Awake quothed:
    > >
    > >> With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
    > >> the world by the CIA

    > >
    > >Yeah? What decade was that?

    >
    > Oh my, another ignorant piece of shit who thinks he knows all.


    Thus announcing your disinterest in sober debate. But anyway ...

    [Big snip to get to the phrase of interest ...]

    > "transport terrorist suspects globally"


    So, I'm just curious. The article you quoted referred to "terrorist
    suspects" and _not once_ referred to "Muslims". So, why are _you_
    equating "Muslims" with "terrorist suspects"? Pot? Kettle? Black?

    > No sir, the rest of my post was as accurate and truthful as the above.


    Manipulative is not "accurate and truthful". Have a nice day now.

    --
    Joel.
    Joel Shepherd, Jul 27, 2005
    #18
  19. Awake

    Neredbojias Guest

    With neither quill nor qualm, dorayme quothed:

    > > But as to your first statement,
    > > did you agree (with me) or not?
    > >

    >
    > Not really. There were sentiments in the OP that were not as wild as others.
    > If you want more, set up a blog and tell me where I can give you a piece of
    > my mind.


    I hate blogs. Nevertheless, I will defend to the death your right to be
    wrong.

    --
    Neredbojias
    Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.
    Neredbojias, Jul 27, 2005
    #19
  20. Awake

    Neredbojias Guest

    With neither quill nor qualm, Awake quothed:

    > >> With the decade of kidnapping and torture of thousands of Muslims around
    > >> the world by the CIA

    > >
    > >Yeah? What decade was that?

    >
    >
    > Oh my, another ignorant piece of shit who thinks he knows all.


    Okay, I'll ignore that because later on in your message you call me
    "sir".

    >
    > Read:
    >

    **Supporting data snipped-see previous article**
    >
    > What more do you need to know? Oh that's right, the "decade" part.
    >
    > Read on:
    >
    > "In 1995, Scheuer said, American agents proposed
    > the rendition program to Egypt, making clear that it
    > had the resources to track, capture, and transport
    > terrorist suspects globally -including access to a
    > small fleet of aircraft. Egypt embraced the idea."


    Look, this boils down to 2 things: how you interpret and believe what
    you read, and how much accountability you attribute to the government
    for those actions and individual accounts that you do believe. I, for
    one, do not see a fascist around every corner in this country. Ergo, I
    simply don't believe you or your crap despite the fact that some of the
    source data *may* have elements of truth. If you wish to be an acolyte
    of radicalism, be my guest, but don't expect me or others to swallow
    your awful offal.

    >
    > >The rest of your spiel was just as irrational as that lie.

    >
    >
    > No sir, the rest of my post was as accurate and truthful as the above.
    >
    > You can probably find this article online if some monkey can show you
    > how to use a search engine. The author is Jane Mayer and the title of
    > the article is "OUTSOURCING TORTURE: The secret history of America's
    > 'extraordinary rendition' program." Issue of 2005-02-14


    Bah! Sure, some American(s) somewhere might have tortured or authorized
    or incited torture on a/some non-national being(s). And what does that
    prove? The same can be said of Spaniards or Germans or Brits or any
    other nationality you can think of! You are confusing individual or
    small-group actions with a major governmental policy and conspiracy!
    Wake up, Awake!

    That said, this argument could go on forever, and you are entitled to
    your delusions I suppose, but don't you think that posting them in an
    html forum is pretty stupid? Even if you had any credibility to begin
    with, such a boner alone would have negated it.

    --
    Neredbojias
    Contrary to popular belief, it is believable.
    Neredbojias, Jul 27, 2005
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