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pdedea
Would I be intruding if I was to post PERMANENT Job orders here?
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Tim Slattery
Yes.
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Chris Smith
Not necessarily, provided that:
1. You don't do it very often.
2. The jobs are clearly and directly related to Java programming.
3. You clearly identify that it's job position, and the location.
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Shrike
i don't have much experience with usenet groups, but perhaps you could
set up a comp.lang.java.jobs.columbus_ohio group somehow. i don't
think anyone would have a problem with that, and would appreciate it if
they knew about it.
set up a comp.lang.java.jobs.columbus_ohio group somehow. i don't
think anyone would have a problem with that, and would appreciate it if
they knew about it.
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Oliver Wong
Shrike said:
Just for your information, it's not trivial to set up a new newsgroup
group (I like the sound of that: "new newsgroup group".) I'm not even sure
how you would go about doing it. There's an FAQ at
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/ claiming to list
steps on creating a new group (it involves submitting a proposal to a
comittee and having them vote on it), but it hasn't been updated since 1997,
and I'm not sure if it still applies.
- Oliver
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Rhino
I hope you weren't expecting to get a unanimous answer to your question
Like all unmoderated newsgroups, there is no single voice - dictator or
elected leader - to speak for us all so you will probably get as many
answers to your questions as there are users of this newsgroup.
As far as I'm concerned, go right ahead and post your jobs here. But please
bear in mind that this newsgroups has participants from all over the world
so, if you're going to post a plum job, try to give some information on the
circumstances under which foreign nationals can hope to apply for the job.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are an ethical
recruiter but if you are not, I'd really rather you just went away and
didn't come back. Remember that old saying: "hell hath no fury like a woman
scorned"? Well, if you jerk around the people on this newsgroup, you may
find that scorned women have nothing on upset Java programmers.
Rhino
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zero
Although quite a few unmoderated newsgroups do have a dictator who *thinks*
he speaks for everyone. Usually they're ignored by the real posters.
Funny sometimes.
Seems to me like posting job offers on usenet is the hallmark of a bad
recruiting system. Unless you really want to reach people all over the
world (as is the case in maybe 0.1% of job offers), there are much better
channels to reach people in the area you're targetting. And a bad
recruiting system usually doesn't bode well for the rest of the company.
I have yet to see any job offer that includes a private jet (with pilot of
course) to bring me back home at the end of the day.
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Chris Smith
Tim Slattery said:
There is some controversy over this. Posting jobs seems to be frowned
upon when most people have jobs, and encouraged when people are looking.
In any case, this is the general-purpose Java programming newsgroup. In
the absence of an alternative place to post, this is the right one.
This is simply how newsgroups work. If enough job postings start up
here and it interferes with the group, then someone will write up an RFD
and then a CFV for a job-specific group. That will resolve the problem
once and for all.
(Note that I'm NOT saying there isn't a better place. I haven't looked.
Just use your best judgement.)
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Rhino
I wonder if we're thinking of the same dictator ;-)zero said:
Posting to international newsgroups for local jobs is clearly inefficient.
Then again, it's bound to work occasionally and that may be enough to
justify it in the recruiter's mind.
If they gave me the private jet, I'd probably be willing to take flying
lessons so that I can fly myself home
Rhino
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Viator
You have better places to get people. Let this place be a newgroup for
discussing JAVA not jobs.
Amit
discussing JAVA not jobs.
Amit
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Thomas Weidenfeller
Order? I guess you mean offer. To answer your question: Yes, you would
abuse the public resources of a discussion(!) newsgroup for your own
advertising of a job. Post to one of the job offering newsgroups, some
of the many job boards, or pay for normal advertising.
/Thomas
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Daniel Dyer
I don't speak for the group, but I wouldn't have a problem with it. Even
though many (most?)posters, myself included, would not be interested in
jobs in Ohio. If it's a specific Java position and flagged as a job
posting in the subject then I don't see an issue. If it's some
recruitment company posting every single IT job they have on file then it
would quickly become unwelcome.
A couple of suggestions I would make to anybody advertising a position:
1). This is an international group so you should indicate whether, and
under what circumstances, international applications would be accepted.
2). Please indicate which country the position is in. US companies seem
to be particularly guilty of omitting this information. Many places in
the US are named after European towns and cities (Athens, Birmingham,
Boston, Cambridge, Dover etc.) so if you don't specify the country it's
not clear where you are (state abbreviations often mean nothing to
non-Americans).
Dan.
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Chris Uppal
Daniel said:
East coast...
-- chris
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Daniel Dyer
Yes, New England is, unsurprisingly, full of English place names, but
there are Spanish place names in California too. It's not just the US
though, Australia is full of cities named after British places (Perth,
Newcastle, St. Kilda, Tamworth, plus lots of much smaller towns).
If you post a position in Perth is it in Scotland or Western Australia?
If you want someone in Boston, Lincolnshire you had better specify that or
you will get applicants from Boston, Massachussets.
Dan.
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zero
If they gave me the private jet, I'd probably be willing to take
flying lessons so that I can fly myself home
Well maybe, if the lessons are paid by the company, and on company time.
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Oliver Wong
Rhino said:
Does his/her name contain the character 'e'?
Recruiting, from what I understand, is an expensive process. Posting on
usenet is essentially free. Couldn't hurt.
- Oliver