John Bokma

[minorpre57]

I'm sick of his constant whining and bitching here. Is anyone else
surprised by this:

http://johnbokma.com/kids/:
"By the end of February 2003 I lost my recently found job due to being
emotionally unstable."

 

[usenet]

[ snip multiposted message ]

At least John adheres to usenet ettiquite and doesn't multipost
personal attacks (or multipost anything, for that matter).

 

[John Bokma]

(e-mail address removed) wrote in @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:


Well, John's standing in my eyes just went up several orders of
magnitude. I have known more than handful of people who chose the easy
way out when faced with much less devastating.

Thanks Sinan,

However the amount of emotional stuff people can handle differs from
person to person. The easy way out isn't certainly the easy way out. My
experience is that there can be times that there seems to be no choice
left but "out".

Also, those feelings that make one take "the easy way out" can be
extremely overwhelming and confusing. They can pop up every day, and stay
for hours. Not everybody can handle that, but IMO you can't call it an
easy way out. It's not like: my cat died, so I hang myself

A lot of what's inside people stays inside because its very hard to talk
about, and in the cases one shows a bit, there is always someone like the
OP who thinks you can stand above someone by digging a hole under his/her
feet.

Anyway, I am sure that rarely now and then things slip through, meaning
that I might overreact a bit. More in the past, but I am sure it happens.
I think that this makes us human

 

[Matt Garrish]

I'm sick of his constant whining and bitching here. Is anyone else
surprised by this:

http://johnbokma.com/kids/:
"By the end of February 2003 I lost my recently found job due to being
emotionally unstable."

Much as it pains me to side with the Bokma, I do try and maintain a
certain level of consistency in who I attack. This is a forum for
discussing *perl*, not for launching personal attacks of this nature.
If you object to something he does/says that relates to something being
discussed in the group or deals with his specific behaviour in the
group (or anyone else's for that matter) you're more than free to
express those objections. You don't even have to be nice, as I rarely
am. But nothing is more puerile than taking pot shots at a person based
on personal information of no bearing to this group. But then you
probably wouldn't understand that since you use a meaningless email
address to "identify" yourself.

Matt

 

[axel]

I'm sick of his constant whining and bitching here. Is anyone else
surprised by this:

[ personal stuff snipped]

By the fact that you make personal remarks about valued posters which
have nothing to with Perl... it tells us all a lot more about you rather
than anyone else.

Axel

 

[usenet]

Much as it pains me to side with the Bokma, I do try and maintain a
certain level of consistency in who I attack. This is a forum for
discussing *perl*, not for launching personal attacks of this nature.

This troll is also somewhat consistent; he flamed Randal (RANDAL!) in
perl.beginners:
http://tinyurl.com/lqhcn

So it's a consistently a blow-hard hothead multiposting troll.

GG shows that he's only made three posts (including the multipost) and
has contributed nothing but personal attacks.

 

[usenet]

Just another sicko.

Its MO seems to be to look at the personal websites in our cutlines and
troll for something it can smear with (even though it's something we
willingly admit publicly).

The odd thing is that folks tend to have higher regard for those who
are willing to publicly admit thier shortcomings (as you, Sinan,
expressed regarding John). If the troll is trying to wreck people's
image, it is having the opposite effect.

My website (non-website) isn't really much of a website - it's just a
contact page (it's mainly there in case an old friend googles my name
looking for me). But maybe I'll put something outlandish on it like,
"I'm a convicted child-molester, rapist, wife beater, and axe murderer
who is running this website from a federal prison" and see if this
troll takes the bait.

Well, then again, what's the point?

 

[John Bokma]

[ Troll ]

My guess is he has done more.

So was mine.

Run a whois on his posting address. You'll
find that he is posting from a block allocated to "North Carolina
Research and Education Network". Then, do a Google Groups search for
"randal convicted".

I did for the same reason as you just gave, because I recalled a similar
post quite some time ago, and found your reply in GG

 

[John W. Krahn]

This troll is also somewhat consistent; he flamed Randal (RANDAL!) in
perl.beginners:
http://tinyurl.com/lqhcn

Your URL points to a posting on c.l.p.misc, there is no such posting on the
(e-mail address removed) mailing list.


John

 

[Josef Moellers]

I'm sick of his constant whining and bitching here. Is anyone else
surprised by this:

http://johnbokma.com/kids/:
"By the end of February 2003 I lost my recently found job due to being
emotionally unstable."

IIRC it was Vint Cerf who said that the good thing about Usenet is that
you take people's statement for face-value. You don't judge what they
say by their skin-colour, their religion, their ethnic group or any
handicap they may have.

I have read quite a number of John's postings and they were good
postings. So I judge him by what he posted here, not by what he
himself(!) writes somewhere else.

If I had found this snippet, I'*d probably have started looking for the
irony tags immediately,

Josef

PS The Dutch probably prefer a "Bokma" over a "minorpre57"
(http://www.bokma.com ;-).

 

[A. Sinan Unur]

Run a whois on his posting address. You'll
find that he is posting from a block allocated to "North Carolina
Research and Education Network".

Just FYI: I just got a response from the nice people at NCREN, and they
tell me the posts are coming from a public access PC in a public library.

Sinan

 

[usenet]

Your URL points to a posting on c.l.p.misc, there is no such posting on the
(e-mail address removed) mailing list.

Yeah, sorry, I was bouncing around and thought I was in a different
group when I read the flame. The point is still valid though... anyone
who will flame a guy like Randal (one of the nicest, most helpful, and
most knowledgeable Perl guys in the world) is a nut job.

Apparently, as Sinan pointed out, this guy is suspiciously similar to
another troll that is also anti-Randal. Now I can see where JohnB
might get somebody upset - as he readily admits, he can be a hothead
sometimes (he went all Xah Lee on me a couple of days ago when I did
something that I should have done differently). But I've never seen
anything that would make someone want to launch a flame crusade against
Randal. What has Randal ever done to piss somebody off in the
southeast?

But I guess there are nut jobs everywhere.

 

[John Bokma]

he can be a hothead sometimes (he went all Xah Lee on me a couple of
days ago when I did something that I should have done differently).

I think my anger was still justified: a buggy bot ran by an unknown person
in several groups. And I am somewhat sure that if I hadn't expressed
myself that strongly someone else would have done so (or a few together)

 

[usenet]

I think my anger was still justified

And I agree. That's why I've apologized ....

But I doubt I'll ever see the day that Xah recognizes and apologizes
for his errors in judgement...

 

[John Bokma]

And I agree. That's why I've apologized ....

But I doubt I'll ever see the day that Xah recognizes and apologizes
for his errors in judgement...

Maybe after Duke Nukem Forever has been released for the Phantom game
console?