Larry Wall & Cults

Discussion in 'Python' started by Xah Lee, Aug 25, 2004.

  1. Xah Lee

    Xah Lee Guest

    Larry Wall and Cults
    (Lazyness, Impatience and Hubris)
    200012

    Dear readers,

    Did you know that throughout history there's this thing called cult?
    It is a very interesting phenomenon. I don't have time to expound and
    teach, but will try to brief you.

    These cults, are often lead by a single person. They form a group as
    small as a dozen to multinational octopuses (such as
    Scientology). Their creed varies from the mild in appearance
    (Dianetics) to appalling (flat earth, extraordinary life-after-death,
    impinging apocalypse scenarios, militant anti-government conspiracy,
    diabolism with human sacrifices ...). Don't think that i'm citing from
    some arcane books buried in libraries. These are real, and not
    difficult to find in real life. Some of these cult leaders, are so
    able to totally wash their member's brain, as to have them
    autonomously swear and volunteer to die for the cause of the cult.
    Occasionally, you'll even see mass suicide.

    You know, the world is not made completely of rubes. Somebody
    somewhere, will observe this phenomenon and study or report it as
    is. Big brother organizations, such as the FBI, is keen on these and
    very interested in benefiting from social psychology themselves. They
    are recorded in books too. Ever wonder why the library houses so many
    cold volumes of paper? This is one contributing reason. You might be
    interested to verify that sometimes.

    These brain-washing phenomenon, are not limited to fanatical
    life-and-death or otherwise dire beliefs. You see it work in all
    manners of human thought in the general sense. From culture formation
    to fashion to commercialism. Surely you have heard of Adolf Hitler
    and his atrocities of genocide? I must alert you, that a single person
    couldn't commit such a crime. You see, even if you are superman, you
    can only kill few at a time. You see, it is the people, people like
    you and me, who commit the killings willingly, by Hitler's
    teaching. You may say: "no, i won't ever do such stupid thing", well
    because you are very ignorant about social psychology. It is precisely
    innocent people like you and (not) me, who were lead by the radical
    leaders of supreme brain-washing abilities. The innocent mob were
    fervent in their leader's vision and beliefs to commit anything. You
    know the concept of war, right? We have two massive body of people
    committed to cut off other people's head or otherwise stick a knife in
    their bodies or bomb off an arm or leg. How did that happen? Well, it
    starts with patriotism for people like you and (not) me.

    Now, back to topic. In the computing world, there're also bad seeds
    with colorful creed taking innocent mobs forming cults. The three
    principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience, and
    Hubris. Yes?

    How can we prevent heinous cults then? Stop bending truths. Education
    and rationalism. I'm starting my own cult to exterminate morons on
    this earth. Two things are on the top of my agenda: Unixism and Perl.

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    Xah Lee, Aug 25, 2004
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  2. Xah Lee

    Alan Balmer Guest

    On 25 Aug 2004 14:56:06 -0700, (Xah Lee) wrote:

    >
    >Did you know that throughout history there's this thing called cult?


    Yes, we've heard of them.

    --
    Al Balmer
    Balmer Consulting
    Alan Balmer, Aug 25, 2004
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  3. (Xah Lee) writes:
    > Did you know that throughout history there's this thing called cult?


    I had no idea. Good thing you're here to help us out.

    -=Eric
    --
    Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million
    typewriters, and Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare.
    -- Blair Houghton.
    Eric Schwartz, Aug 25, 2004
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  4. Xah Lee

    Rene Pijlman Guest

    Xah Lee:
    >I'm starting my own cult to exterminate morons on this earth.
    >Two things are on the top of my agenda: Unixism and Perl.


    What are you replacing Unix with?

    --
    René Pijlman
    Rene Pijlman, Aug 25, 2004
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  5. Xah Lee

    Giles Todd Guest

    On 25 Aug 2004 14:56:06 -0700, (Xah Lee) wrote:

    > Did you know that throughout history there's this thing called cult?


    Kenneth Williams used to claim repeatedly that he was a cult. This
    was in the 1960s. So, yes, I think I know that "there's this thing
    called cult".

    > It is a very interesting phenomenon. I don't have time to expound and
    > teach, but will try to brief you.


    That's OK. I've done it for you. Now, try investigating "Rambling
    Sid Rumpo".

    Giles.
    Giles Todd, Aug 26, 2004
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  6. Xah Lee

    Rich Teer Guest

    On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Xah Lee wrote:

    > Did you know that throughout history there's this thing called cult?


    I think you're getting confused with the Blue Öyster Cult.
    Don't Fear the Reaper - great song.

    --
    Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, author of "Solaris Systems Programming",
    published in August 2004.

    President,
    Rite Online Inc.

    Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
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    Rich Teer, Aug 26, 2004
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  7. Rich Teer wrote:

    > I think you're getting confused with the Blue Öyster Cult.
    > Don't Fear the Reaper - great song.


    A great allegory about garbage collection, wasn't it?

    Paul
    Paul F. Dietz, Aug 26, 2004
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  8. Xah Lee

    Robert Guest

    Isn't "Xah Lee" chinese for "Moron"?
    Robert, Aug 26, 2004
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  9. Xah Lee

    Peter Hansen Guest

    Robert wrote:

    > Isn't "Xah Lee" chinese for "Moron"?


    No, it's Esperanto (universal language) for "troll"...

    -Peter
    Peter Hansen, Aug 26, 2004
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  10. Xah Lee

    Johnny Guest

    (Xah Lee) wrote in message news:<>...

    > How can we prevent heinous cults then? Stop bending truths. Education
    > and rationalism. I'm starting my own cult to exterminate morons on
    > this earth. Two things are on the top of my agenda: Unixism and Perl.


    I bet Larry Wall's life insurance premiums just skyrocketed. BTW, what
    does this have to do with Lisp? We are more of a therapy and support
    group than a cult.
    Johnny, Aug 26, 2004
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  11. Xah Lee

    Espen Vestre Guest

    Rich Teer <> writes:

    > I think you're getting confused with the Blue Öyster Cult.
    > Don't Fear the Reaper - great song.


    Great song, but their hard-hitting stuff is even better. For instance
    "Lisp in the Hills" or "Career of Eval".
    --
    (espen ;-)
    Espen Vestre, Aug 26, 2004
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  12. Tor Iver Wilhelmsen, Aug 26, 2004
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  13. Also sprach Johnny:

    > (Xah Lee) wrote in message news:<>...
    >
    >> How can we prevent heinous cults then? Stop bending truths. Education
    >> and rationalism. I'm starting my own cult to exterminate morons on
    >> this earth. Two things are on the top of my agenda: Unixism and Perl.

    >
    > I bet Larry Wall's life insurance premiums just skyrocketed.


    It would, if anyone could take Xah Lee Loo seriously. But really, no one
    can. He's more like the court jester, creeping out of the dark every so
    and so months. We're all very much enjoying his sporadic shows. Really.

    ;-)

    Tassilo
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    Tassilo v. Parseval, Aug 26, 2004
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  14. Xah Lee

    Terry Reedy Guest

    Python is not a cult. We therefore have no collective interest in trashing
    other languages or language designers.
    Terry Reedy, Aug 26, 2004
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  15. Erm, please don't make false propaganda for the language I happen to love
    ;).

    Btw:

    (english-to-esperanto "troll") ==> "trolo"

    Michiel

    "Peter Hansen" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Robert wrote:
    >
    > > Isn't "Xah Lee" chinese for "Moron"?

    >
    > No, it's Esperanto (universal language) for "troll"...
    >
    > -Peter
    Michiel Borkent, Aug 26, 2004
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  16. Xah Lee

    Peter Hansen Guest

    Michiel Borkent wrote:

    > "Peter Hansen" <> wrote:
    >>No, it's Esperanto (universal language) for "troll"...


    > Erm, please don't make false propaganda for the language I happen to love
    > ;).
    >
    > Btw:
    >
    > (english-to-esperanto "troll") ==> "trolo"


    Pardonu... estis sxerco, evidente!

    -Peter
    Peter Hansen, Aug 26, 2004
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  17. Xah Lee

    Pete Fenelon Guest

    In alt.folklore.computers Giles Todd <> wrote:
    >
    > That's OK. I've done it for you. Now, try investigating "Rambling
    > Sid Rumpo".
    >


    I need to fossick through me ganderbag and work out a way of mp3ing my
    taped collection of Rambling Syd's artefacts, me dearios.

    pete
    --
    "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas"
    Pete Fenelon, Aug 26, 2004
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  18. Jes, mi komprenis. Dankon por la inspiro: mi jxus kreis novan subskribajxon.

    Amike,
    Michiel
    --
    LISP and Esperanto: my favorite languages.
    Visit http://www.pictureofthemoon.net/~borkent for my webpage.
    ---

    "Peter Hansen" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Michiel Borkent wrote:
    >
    > > "Peter Hansen" <> wrote:
    > >>No, it's Esperanto (universal language) for "troll"...

    >
    > > Erm, please don't make false propaganda for the language I happen to

    love
    > > ;).
    > >
    > > Btw:
    > >
    > > (english-to-esperanto "troll") ==> "trolo"

    >
    > Pardonu... estis sxerco, evidente!
    >
    > -Peter
    Michiel Borkent, Aug 26, 2004
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  19. Xah Lee

    Sara Guest

    (Xah Lee) wrote in message news:<>...
    > Larry Wall and Cults
    > (Lazyness, Impatience and Hubris)
    > 200012
    >
    > Dear readers,
    >
    > Did you know that throughout history there's this thing called cult?
    > It is a very interesting phenomenon. I don't have time to expound and
    > teach, but will try to brief you.
    >
    >


    Hey this ain't no CULT! Our creedo is simply:

    "Larry said it, I believe it, THAT settles it!"

    If you don't believe it just look at the reaction if any questions any
    element of Perl design!
    Sara, Aug 26, 2004
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  20. >>I think you're getting confused with the Blue Öyster Cult.
    >>Don't Fear the Reaper - great song.

    >
    >


    It was a great song, but it needed more cowbell...

    Mark.
    Markus Wankus, Aug 26, 2004
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