layers and tables

[Tom]

Can someone help?

I have an html page with a large image sliced up into tables. If I add text
to the page using layers. where in the page do i put the code for the layer.
Or to put this another way can it be put anywhere. I am using dreamweaver
and can't find anything in their help menu.

Also should i set the sliceed images to "img src" or "background" - which
is the best for compatibility

thanks in advance

 

[Barbara de Zoete]

I have an html page with a large image sliced up into tables. If I add text
to the page using layers. where in the page do i put the code for the layer.
Or to put this another way can it be put anywhere. I am using dreamweaver
and can't find anything in their help menu.

Ah, I see. Well, had you been using html, I might have been able to help out.
Since you're using dreamweaver, is probably the
better place to be.



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[Travis Newbury]

Can someone help?

Depends what your definition of "help" is.

I have an html page with a large image sliced up into tables.

Ok, you probably want to stop doing that. There is little advantage to
slicing and putting into tables. A quick google of slice and tables
will reveal both sides of that argument.

I am using dreamweaver
and can't find anything in their help menu.

There is the first issue, you are relying on Dreamweaver to know the
answers. It doesn't. It is only an editor slightly more complex than
notepad. Hit up some tutorials and learn HTML and CSS. That is your
best answer.

Also should i set the sliceed images to "img src" or "background" - which
is the best for compatibility

Depending on the design, a single background image usually works best.
But learn HTML, CSS and how to design without tables. In the long run
that will be your best answer.

 

[Tom]

Hi there

I use dreamweaver, as do many others, come on this is a code question i'm
looking for an answer to, if it helps, I can't find any help in my HTML
reference book either.

 

[Travis Newbury]

I use dreamweaver, as do many others, come on this is a code question i'm
looking for an answer to, if it helps, I can't find any help in my HTML
reference book either.

The short answer is background. The long answer is lose the tables and
spliced images.

 

[Jeff Thies]

Hi there

I use dreamweaver, as do many others,

That's not an asset!

come on this is a code question i'm

looking for an answer to, if it helps, I can't find any help in my HTML
reference book either.

No, it's a dreamweaver question there hasn't been anything called a
layer since Netscape 4.

You need ask someone who uses dreamweaver what you mean.

If you were using absolutely positioned divs, you would put them
anywhere you wanted, as long as the zIndex is higher than your image.
But that wouldn't be proper html either.

You're going to have trouble on usenet until you learn proper posting
style. Start by not top posting, trimming extraneous content and posting
to the most appropriate group.

Jeff

 

[Barbara de Zoete]

Hi there

Please don't top-quote. Quote the parts of the text you reply to and reply
beneith it.

[rest of the top-quote fixed]

I use dreamweaver, as do many others, come on this is a code question i'm
looking for an answer to, if it helps, I can't find any help in my HTML
reference book either.

Well, first of all, this is not really a help desk, neither for Dreamweaver, nor
for html. But, since you seem to insist:

- First of all, stop slicing your images:
<http://www.google.com/search?q=slice+image+table> will tell you why (and a bit
of why you should also).
- Second, stop using tables for lay-out:
<http://www.google.com/search?q="tableless+design"> explaines that bit.
- Third, start learning proper html for your pages and some css for the general
design of the elements and lay-out of the pages:
o html starters:
<http://www.w3schools.org/>,
<http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/>,
<http://www.htmlhelp.org/faq/html/all.html>
o css starters:
<http://www.w3schools.org/>,
<http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/Style.html>

Do yourself a favour and quit using Dreamweaver until you understand what you do
and it does.

Please delete any sig's that your crappy newsclient leaves in the reply. Or get
yourself a less crappy newsclient.


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[Tom]

thanks for the reply

can you send a url of a page showing a good example of layout without
tables. I'm assuming I should use CSS and layers?

 

[Tom]

Thanks for all the positive comments! Please post urls of your expert work,
so i may learn.

 

[Barbara de Zoete]

Thanks for all the positive comments! Please post urls of your expert work,
so i may learn.

Forgive my impatience with idiots: *ploink*


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[Neal]

Can someone help?

I have an html page with a large image sliced up into tables.

Did you know that it'll take significantly longer to d/l the pieces
than one large whole? Doing that is indicative of a flawed design
technique.

If I add text
to the page using layers. where in the page do i put the code for
the layer.

What kind of layer are we talking about? Try to avoid that word, it
refers to too many things in web design.

Or to put this another way can it be put anywhere. I am using
dreamweaver

Ah, that layer. I don't use DW so I won't be able to offer concrete
help on that, sorry.

and can't find anything in their help menu.

Also should i set the sliceed images to "img src" or "background" -
which
is the best for compatibility

Images which are content should be <img>. Images which are decorative
should be backgrounds. I've overgeneralized here, but that's
essentially my line of thinking.

 

[Tom]

Forgive my impatience with idiots: *ploink*


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Are you serious? Please Barbara post a link, and not the joke wanadoo ones.
I am looking for some serious help.

 

[Neal]

thanks for the reply
can you send a url of a page showing a good example of layout without
tables. I'm assuming I should use CSS and layers?

Can you please not post out of order? It's helpful to follow the
conventions of a newsgroup. Here we put our words after the words
we're replying to. And normally we trim unessential quoted material (I
think it was Jukka who said "a lack of comprehensive snipping is
indicative of a lack of comprehensive reading") but in this case I
left things (almost) as is to illustrate the problem in reading.

Forget "layer" - it's a meaningless word. With CSS you can position an
element however you like (just about). Sadly, I know of no excellent
tutorials on it. I'd start with the CSS tutorial at
<http://www.w3schools.com> and learn as much as you can there, then
begin experimenting.

But be advised - having a fancy table saw does not make you a
carpenter, having a set of law books does not qualify you to be a
lawyer, and owning a fancy-dancy HTML editor does not mean you can
make a decent page. In each case, the tools I mention are only useful
when the person knows the subject thoroughly enough that they could
get by without the tool.

My advice - learn HTML and CSS the hard way. Use DW in text editing
mode only, type it all in. DOn't use the WYSIWYG "feature" - in fact
it should rightly be called WYSINWYG. Use a few browsers to check your
rendering - I generally use Firefox, Opera and IE6. And read up on CSS
elsewhere, like comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets, to learn
even more. (But please don't post there until you cure your
top-posting habit, thank you!)

 

[Tom]

Did you know that it'll take significantly longer to d/l the pieces than
one large whole? Doing that is indicative of a flawed design technique.

Thanks for the reply Neal.

I am curious as to why then so many graphics packages, photoshop, fireworks
etc,. have tutorials etc,. on this as a means to generate images into html.

Should I layout the image as a large background and position the text using
css - is this the way forward (and please other readers/posters be positive)

 

[Neal]

I am curious as to why then so many graphics packages, photoshop,
fireworks
etc,. have tutorials etc,. on this as a means to generate images
into html.

Outdated materials, developers who may not have actually made a site
in 5 years, I can't say. Perhaps even a marketing strategy - if they
make it seem so easy to make a site, and that the product will do all
the thinking and work for you, sales are better.

Should I layout the image as a large background and position the
text using
css - is this the way forward (and please other readers/posters be
positive)

Perhaps. It's really hard to say without seeing it. One issue you'll
face with that is it can lock you into a fixed-width design when fluid
might be better. There are ways around that, most notably "repeat-x"
CSS rules, but depending on the design you're implementing that may or
may not be practical.

And thank you for your better reply mode.

 

[Travis Newbury]

Do yourself a favour and quit using Dreamweaver until you understand
what you do and it does.

I have to disagree, Dreamweaver can be an awesome tool to assist in
learning HTML and CSS.

 

[Barbara de Zoete]

I have to disagree, Dreamweaver can be an awesome tool to assist in learning
HTML and CSS.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough with the 'and it does' bit?

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[Travis Newbury]

I am curious as to why then so many graphics packages, photoshop, fireworks
etc,. have tutorials etc,. on this as a means to generate images into html.

Because that _use_ to be the accepted method
..

Should I layout the image as a large background and position the text using
css - is this the way forward (and please other readers/posters be positive)

Background. (again)

 

[Duende]

While sitting in a puddle Tom scribbled in the mud:

can you send a url of a page showing a good example of layout without
tables. I'm assuming I should use CSS and layers?

http://wipkip.biz

 

[Travis Newbury]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough with the 'and it does' bit?

Nope you weren't. The wording of your post implied the oposite.