Left padding and IE

[geniolatenio]

recomending with the text size. It seems that you are viewing it as an

argument of whether or not to sacrifice design for maximum legibility

yes, I already changed the text to em.. I noticed that my firefox
changes the font size even if I specified it in pixels, so I have no
reason to continue using pixels anymore..

Bye

geniolatenio

 

[geniolatenio]

If a good web designer sees your "code", you would want to be
catering for more than his eyesight...

You think so? What's so terribly wrong about that code that would make
a web designer so desperate? Just give me an example that I can use to
understand why the code I used is not very good.. I'm learning and,
most important, I WANT to learn..

I've been using css for something like a couple of weeks and I'm sure
you're not expecting me to learn the way YOU code in such a short
time.. If you learnt to code the way I suppose you do in just two
weeks.. well, what can I say, you're pretty good but not everyone's a
genius like you.. I won't learn if the comments are just "Damn, how
bad is your code!"..

Most people (I said most, ok? Not everyone, of course) here like to
rant about how bad the code around the internet is but when someone
comes asking for help, showing their code, hey! Here comes the irony
and everyone is just pointing their fingers calling the newbie what..
a newbie? Yes, that's right! That's exactly what a newbie is! Someone
who doesn't know how to code properly. And if you want to solve the
bad code problem that's so consuming your liver (it's something we say
in Italy, don't know if you use it in english) than maybe you could
help people out.. not saying that you should code for them (read: me)
but at least give a hand by pointing to the right direction..

Bye

geniolatenio

 

[geniolatenio]

A _good_ web designer will definately change the font sizes to be sure that
1) they do scale
2) scaling does not cause the page to break badly

As others have said, the WWW is fluid, not a piece of paper.

gee, man.. ok, that's fine, everything all of you said is alright and
I agree almost to everything (yes, even the font sizing issue, I
changed the thing already).
The point is: why does a request for your help must turn into a
discussion about good and bad web design? If I ask for your help it
means that I'm trying to get to a good level of web design, isn't it?
All of this, though, surely doesn't answer my question: I need to
solve the problem and that problems DOESN'T depend on whether it's
pixels or em or percentage and has nothing to do with the WWW not
being a piece of paper..

my page breaks badly because of the design I'm using.. my very limited
css knowledge doesn't allow me to code that layout in such a way that
it doesn't break.. I asked for your help, but all I get is "Uh, no,
font size should be scalable" instead of "well, your page won't break
if.."
With the latter kind of answer I could learn and by learning I could
stop coding like shit AND learn to code the correct way, including
coding the way a good designer would..

Bye

geniolatenio

 

[geniolatenio]

Why not try something like this:
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal02.htm

yes, I tried that already.. the problem still exists.. I found out,
thanx to someone here, that it depends on the padding and the border
of each item, but I need those elements.. damn..

Bye

geniolatenio

 

[Adrienne Boswell]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed geniolatenio

The point is: why does a request for your help must turn into a
discussion about good and bad web design? If I ask for your help it
means that I'm trying to get to a good level of web design, isn't it?

Because usenet is for discussion. It is not a 24/7 help desk. You may get
answers to your questions, but you should not be upset if you don't.

 

[geniolatenio]

Because usenet is for discussion. It is not a 24/7 help desk. You may get
answers to your questions, but you should not be upset if you don't.

Mmm.. yes, I must admit that I made a mistake, that sounded like I was
getting upset.. sorry about that.. what upsets me is not the fact that
there's no answer, I can understand that some things cannot be solved,
but the fact that someone asks about A and they get a B as a reply,
where B is a complaint about the questioner's philosophy of coding,
which has nothing to do with the issue: what starts as a welcome tip
from someone becomes a reason for someone else to start ranting about
how your coding philosophy sucks and that kind of stuff, like some
people are on a college desk, watching us students from far up there..
To my opinion this is not a constructive critic..

I hope you understand what I say, sometimes I have doubts about the
words I use, maybe they mean something in italian but once translated
into english they mean nothing at all

Bye

geniolatenio

 

[dorayme]

You think so? What's so terribly wrong about that code that would make
a web designer so desperate? Just give me an example that I can use to
understand why the code I used is not very good.. I'm learning and,
most important, I WANT to learn..

I've been using css for something like a couple of weeks and I'm sure
you're not expecting me to learn the way YOU code in such a short
time.. If you learnt to code the way I suppose you do in just two
weeks.. well, what can I say, you're pretty good but not everyone's a
genius like you.. I won't learn if the comments are just "Damn, how
bad is your code!"..

Most people (I said most, ok? Not everyone, of course) here like to
rant about how bad the code around the internet is but when someone
comes asking for help, showing their code, hey! Here comes the irony
and everyone is just pointing their fingers calling the newbie what..
a newbie? Yes, that's right! That's exactly what a newbie is! Someone
who doesn't know how to code properly. And if you want to solve the
bad code problem that's so consuming your liver (it's something we say
in Italy, don't know if you use it in english) than maybe you could
help people out.. not saying that you should code for them (read: me)
but at least give a hand by pointing to the right direction..

Bye

geniolatenio

Well, I say, old boy, this is a bit of a wild reaction! I think you
better check out your own liver. All I said was that if you are trying
to impress a web designer, he or she would be more impressed if you
were not just catering for his eyesight but rather for anyone's... It
was just a point about using "set" fonts that are hard to enlarge in
IE, better to use font-size: n% or nem rather than npx... That was all.
....arrivederci

 

[geniolatenio]

Well, I say, old boy, this is a bit of a wild reaction! I think you
better check out your own liver. All I said was that if you are trying
to impress a web designer, he or she would be more impressed if you
were not just catering for his eyesight but rather for anyone's...

you know how difficult it is to understand the mood or the intention
via written text.. I overreacted, I must admit.. so I apologise..
sorry..

Bye

geniolatenio

 

[Neredbojias]

With neither quill nor qualm, geniolatenio quothed:

I hope you understand what I say, sometimes I have doubts about the
words I use, maybe they mean something in italian but once translated
into english they mean nothing at all

Ahh, don't worry. We're used to that from multifarious posts crafted by
some guy named Luigi.

 

[dorayme]

you know how difficult it is to understand the mood or the intention
via written text.. I overreacted, I must admit.. so I apologise..
sorry..

Bye

geniolatenio

No problem g, you are a hot bloodied Italian (like Luigi) and may
the fire in you burn brightly for ever...

Actually, no, I don't know about the difficulty concerned,
personally I always know exactly the mood from the merest hints
of text... see all my spot-on reactions in the last year or
two... But then i am not human and have certain advantages...

 

[josh]

i don't know if you are still working on this, but I just ran across a
page describing how to get a min-width to work for IE 6. I think this
would help you.


This is the example:
http://friendlybit.com/files/minwidth_for_IE/

And this is the page it was linked from:
http://friendlybit.com/css/min-width-for-ie-revisited/

 

[Leonard Blaisdell]

i don't know if you are still working on this, but I just ran across a
page describing how to get a min-width to work for IE 6. I think this
would help you.

Thank you! Here are a few links I've come across that solve some
problems:
<http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/>
<http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm>
<http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>
I can't make heads or tails of those links myself, but perhaps you could
help me to understand how to become better at this universal bulletin
board stuff. I stumbled across a link that says it is Usenet. Is that
right?

leo

 

[Adrienne Boswell]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Leonard Blaisdell

I can't make heads or tails of those links myself, but perhaps you could
help me to understand how to become better at this universal bulletin
board stuff. I stumbled across a link that says it is Usenet. Is that
right?

Yup, this is Usenet, not a web site. Here is more information, history,
etc. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet>

 

[PeterMcC]

Adrienne Boswell wrote in

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Leonard Blaisdell


Yup, this is Usenet, not a web site. Here is more information,
history, etc. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet>

And here's another useful link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony