link won't open in right frame

nn · Jun 20, 2005

I am working on a website for the B&B of friends of mine.
First I work on the Dutch part of the site, then I simply copy and paste the
HTML to the English part of the site.
The Dutch page about the room (de kamer) will open in the bottom frame,
but the English page of the room keeps opening in the top frame.
I don't understand...am I missing a code or something???

If someone would be so kind to check ...
http://www.geocities.com/nollylusink/benb-vanwijngaarden/index.html

I'd love to hear where it is going wrong.

TIA

nn

Els · Jun 20, 2005

nn said:
I am working on a website for the B&B of friends of mine.
First I work on the Dutch part of the site, then I simply copy and paste the
HTML to the English part of the site.
The Dutch page about the room (de kamer) will open in the bottom frame,
but the English page of the room keeps opening in the top frame.
I don't understand...am I missing a code or something???

If someone would be so kind to check ...
http://www.geocities.com/nollylusink/benb-vanwijngaarden/index.html

I'd love to hear where it is going wrong.

I'm sorry, but I can't believe you don't see that yourself.
Compare the two top.html files. The one in the /nl/ and the one in the
/uk/ directory.
Compare the two links that go to respectively kamer.html and
room.html. Spot the difference?

While you're comparing: spot the absence of a doctype and a <html> tag
at the start of the uk/top.html document. There's also a linebreak in
the middle of the mailto link in those two documents, and server
generated script after the closing tag of the html element.

Wild guess: you didn't write the code yourself, or you are using some
kind of WYSIWYG program?

jake · Jun 20, 2005

nn <[email protected]> said:
I am working on a website for the B&B of friends of mine.
First I work on the Dutch part of the site, then I simply copy and paste the
HTML to the English part of the site.
The Dutch page about the room (de kamer) will open in the bottom frame,
but the English page of the room keeps opening in the top frame.
I don't understand...am I missing a code or something???

If someone would be so kind to check ...
http://www.geocities.com/nollylusink/benb-vanwijngaarden/index.html

I'd love to hear where it is going wrong.

TIA

nn

Check the 'BASE TARGET="xxx" value on the page(s) with the link.

For the Dutch it's set for the bottom frame ('text'); for the English,
it's set for the top frame ('onderwerpen').regards.

nn · Jun 20, 2005

I'm sorry, but I can't believe you don't see that yourself.

I have been working all evening at pictures, backgrounds html etcetc etc so
guess I am tired because no..I do not see it.
Perhaps tomorrow.
This is my 3rd website using frames and 1sttime one page is not opening in
the right frame.

Compare the two top.html files. The one in the /nl/ and the one in the
/uk/ directory.
Compare the two links that go to respectively kamer.html and
room.html. Spot the difference?

While you're comparing: spot the absence of a doctype and a <html> tag
at the start of the uk/top.html document. There's also a linebreak in
the middle of the mailto link in those two documents, and server
generated script after the closing tag of the html element.

I am still experimenting with this site before it is moved to their domain.

Wild guess: you didn't write the code yourself, or you are using some
kind of WYSIWYG program?

Sorry you're wrong, I have written every code myself. Don't like the mess
those programs create.
I only use frontpage to see what a layout would look like. Then I start
writing the html myself.
Also wrote the pages for
http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/veranda/9764/nolly/ and www.kdm1878.nl
myself, using frames.

It's a bit late now and I'm too tired but thanks for the advice. I will
check things tomorrow.

nn

nn · Jun 20, 2005

Check the 'BASE TARGET="xxx" value on the page(s) with the link.

For the Dutch it's set for the bottom frame ('text'); for the English,
it's set for the top frame ('onderwerpen').
regards.

Ah thanks a million Jake
after all those words and codes and pictures I just didn't see it
anymore.....
I was looking in the wrong place.
Changed it and it works fine now.
Saves me a sleepless night ;-)

still I will also check Els' idea.

thanks again

nn

nn · Jun 21, 2005

couldn't sleep so....

Compare the two top.html files. The one in the /nl/ and the one in the
/uk/ directory.
Compare the two links that go to respectively kamer.html and
room.html. Spot the difference?

I guess you meant what Jake also pointed out?
Indeed that was the problem.

While you're comparing: spot the absence of a doctype and a <html> tag
at the start of the uk/top.html document.

Haven't added metatags yet either. Have been working on the layout so that
my friends could get an idea before they go on holidays.

There's also a linebreak in
the middle of the mailto link in those two documents,

Had not spotted that, thanks will change it tomorrow.

and server
generated script after the closing tag of the html element.

That script is added by geocities and sometimes messes things up a bit.
But this side won't be with them, their domainname is still underway. But
this way I could make a start.

Thanks for going over the codes for me

nn

Mark Parnell · Jun 21, 2005

Previously in alt.html said:
This is my 3rd website using frames

And you haven't given up on them yet? Yikes! Even Netscape, who invented
frames, gave up on them after only 6 months.

Some light reading:

Problems with frames:
http://www.htmlhelp.com/design/frames/whatswrong.html
http://html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil
http://dorward.me.uk/www/frames/

Search Engines and Frames:
http://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html (see under "Your pages use
frames")
http://searchenginewatch.com/webmasters/article.php/2167901

Using Frames Properly:
http://www.markparnell.com.au/articles/frames.php

Starshine Moonbeam · Jun 21, 2005

nn([email protected]) said:
I am working on a website for the B&B of friends of mine.
First I work on the Dutch part of the site, then I simply copy and paste the
HTML to the English part of the site.
The Dutch page about the room (de kamer) will open in the bottom frame,
but the English page of the room keeps opening in the top frame.
I don't understand...am I missing a code or something???

If someone would be so kind to check ...
http://www.geocities.com/nollylusink/benb-vanwijngaarden/index.html

I'd love to hear where it is going wrong.

Well first off, you're not using frames.

Start with that.

--
Starshine Moonbeam
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM

"Our earth is degenerate in these latter days, bribery and corruption
are common, children no longer obey their parents and the end of the
world is evidently approaching."
--Assyrian clay tablet 2800 B.C.

Hywel Jenkins · Jun 21, 2005

Well first off, you're not using frames.

How did you draw that conclusion? A quick visit to the site suggests
otherwise.

Starshine Moonbeam · Jun 21, 2005

Hywel said:
How did you draw that conclusion? A quick visit to the site suggests
otherwise.

Must have looked at the UK source wrong earlier. My bad.

--
Starshine Moonbeam
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM

"Our earth is degenerate in these latter days, bribery and corruption
are common, children no longer obey their parents and the end of the
world is evidently approaching."
--Assyrian clay tablet 2800 B.C.

Els · Jun 21, 2005

nn said:
couldn't sleep so....

I guess you meant what Jake also pointed out?
Indeed that was the problem.

Well, no. I hadn't even seen the base target line (I never use it).
I can see that it was the problem, but even without the base target
line, the Dutch page would have worked properly, but not the English
one. In the link itself, you have target="TEXT" on the Dutch page,
while on the English page you didn't set a target (in the link). Of
course, if you use the base target line, there is no need for the
target attribute in the link itself.

Haven't added metatags yet either.

That goes for both pages. I'm saying that you forgot the doctype and
<html> opening tag, on the English top.html page only. In another post
you said you copy paste everything, well, it's a copy paste error then

Have been working on the layout so that
my friends could get an idea before they go on holidays.

The layout will work differently between pages with and without a
valid doctype. Okay, true, the doctype you used on the Dutch page is
only half a doctype really (it's missing the DTD), but for
consistency, I'd say use the same doctype across all pages.

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