Looking for a book about C with special criteria

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santosh

user923005 wrote:

A beginner who does not have a formalist bent or an eye for detail is
the exact one who needs the book the most.
IMO-YMMV
I am not saying that he will *like* it the most. But (s)he is the one
that will benefit the most from it.

As long as he has the prerequisites and motivation to stick with it. In
my experience too many people take one look inside and shelve it back
and pick up a "Complete Idiot's guide to ..." sitting next to it. :)
 
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Richard

I would. But one would need up close and personal knowledge of that
person.
A beginner who does not have a formalist bent or an eye for detail is
the exact one who needs the book the most.

Utter rubbish. Some people can program wonderful systems with no
formalist bent. You can not "teach" an eye for detail - you can teach
where best to look and how best to utilise that eye.

Giving a new programmer with no "formalist bent" Knuth to learn is
tantamount to putting him off for life.

IMO-YMMV
I am not saying that he will *like* it the most. But (s)he is the one
that will benefit the most from it.

What world do you inhabit? Seriously. I thought you were a teacher? Not
a member of the inquisition.

I have no doubt that up close and personal you might be a wonderful
teacher but one has to wonder at your thought processes if you believe
Knuth is a "teaching aid" for programmers with no "formal bent".
 
R

Richard

santosh said:
user923005 wrote:



As long as he has the prerequisites and motivation to stick with it. In
my experience too many people take one look inside and shelve it back
and pick up a "Complete Idiot's guide to ..." sitting next to it. :)

And why is that I wonder? Because it's almost impenetrable to any one
but the most formal and mathematical and probably boring of programmers.

It is a reference book for chrissakes.
 
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santosh

Giving a new programmer with no "formalist bent" Knuth to learn is
tantamount to putting him off for life.


What world do you inhabit? Seriously. I thought you were a teacher?
Not a member of the inquisition.

I have no doubt that up close and personal you might be a wonderful
teacher but one has to wonder at your thought processes if you believe
Knuth is a "teaching aid" for programmers with no "formal bent".

As you yourself said in another thread about debuggers, what would it
hurt to try? The worst that can happen is that the book is tried and
not found suitable. Do you seriously believe that someone considering a
professional career in programming is going to be permanently put off
because a book they tried doesn't work for them?
 
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santosh

Richard said:
And why is that I wonder? Because it's almost impenetrable to any one
but the most formal and mathematical and probably boring of
programmers.

It is a reference book for chrissakes.

Quoting Knuth himself:

"I have tried to write this set of books in such a way that it will fill
several needs. In the first place, these books are reference books
which summarise the knowledge which has been acquired in several
important fields. They can also be used as textbooks for self-study or
for college courses in computer and information sciences."

"This set of books is intended for people who will be more than just
casually interested in computers, yet it is by no means only for the
computer specialist. Indeed, one of the main goals has been to make
these programming techniques more accessible to the many people working
in other fields who can make fruitful use of computers, yet who cannot
afford the time to locate all of the necessary information which is
buried in the technical journals."

"A reader who is interested primarily in programming rather than in the
associated mathematics may stop reading each section as soon as the
mathematics becomes recognisably difficult."
 
B

Bharat

May be you can find in "deep C secrets". online version also
available. Try your luck.

Thanks
Bharat
 
S

santosh

Bharat said:
May be you can find in "deep C secrets". online version also
available. Try your luck.

Thanks
Bharat

<snip top post>

Please don't top post. It's better practise to intersperse your reply
with relevant portions of the quoted text.

A link to an online version of Expert C Programming for the benefit of
the OP:

<http://safari.phptr.com/0131774298>
 

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