looking for suggestions - SEO web site

[canadafred]

Hey everyone.

I am openly looking for suggestions and feedback as to better ways to
present a text heavy web site.

www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com

Thank you in advance.
Regards
Fred

Notes:

I am fairly stubborn when it comes to ethical search engine optimization
practices, what works and what doesn't work, but I am open enough to
consider other points of view. I would however prefer to discuss these
issues in another NG alt.internet.search-engines I am a regular contributor
there. I have posted here for web design input only.

It you were interested in flaming me for whatever reason, try to control
yourself enough not to reply to this post, reply to me directly and we can
discuss it between us professionally.

 

[Leonard Blaisdell]

I have posted here for web design input only.

<and
<seem to be just the
tickets. I'm just trying to get the traffic up in those groups that
warrant and deserve it. And to spare you from HTML issues that you don't
appear to be interested in discussing.

leo

 

[canadafred]

<and
<seem to be just the
tickets. I'm just trying to get the traffic up in those groups that
warrant and deserve it. And to spare you from HTML issues that you don't
appear to be interested in discussing.

That's why I'm here man and not there. My web design capabilities are
limited to HTML only, if you have HTML design suggestions as to how I may
improve the look and feel of my text heavy web site, then I would appreciate
those.

If not, please reread these notes.

Notes:

I am fairly stubborn when it comes to ethical search engine optimization
practices, what works and what doesn't work, but I am open enough to
consider other points of view. I would however prefer to discuss these
issues in another NG alt.internet.search-engines I am a regular contributor
there. I have posted here for web design input only.

It you were interested in flaming me for whatever reason, try to control
yourself enough not to reply to this post, reply to me directly and we can
discuss it between us professionally.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Hey everyone.

I am openly looking for suggestions and feedback as to better ways to
present a text heavy web site.

www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com

Do you mean artistic design, or technical layout?

Very little there is artistic. No, I'm not an artist either, so I can't
help you with that. But the layout of the HTML is poor.

Look up for why Verdana is a bad idea, and why using px for font-size is
as well. Both topics oft-discussed in these newsgroups.

You forgot a DOCTYPE.

Instead of:
<p align="left">
&bull; Understand then ...<br>
&bull; Get top positions ...<br>
&bull; Know the basic ...<br>
&bull; Use proven Site ....<br>

Notes:

I am fairly stubborn

Oh. Sorry.

 

[Leonard Blaisdell]

That's why I'm here man and not there. My web design capabilities are
limited to HTML only, if you have HTML design suggestions as to how I may
improve the look and feel of my text heavy web site, then I would appreciate
those.

Fix this:
<http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.rezultz-web-site-prom
otion.com%2F>
and then fix this:
<http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.rezult
z-web-site-promotion.com%2Fcanadian-web-site-promotion.css&usermedium=allFix those then come back here.

leo

 

[Neredbojias]

With neither quill nor qualm, canadafred quothed:

Hey everyone.

I am openly looking for suggestions and feedback as to better ways to
present a text heavy web site.

www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com

Well, my first impression is that there's way too much text on the first
impression. -And when I tried to resize it in IE to make it bigger and
more readable, it didn't resize. This suggests you were concentrating
more on the appearance of the "lines" of the page rather than on the
actual presentation of the content. _My_ suggestion is to make the text
larger, "roomier", and perhaps simpler in layout.

 

[canadafred]

Very little there is artistic.

That's is a problem, I have little creativity skills. I need suggestions. I
have looked at many other sites and still haven't a clue to how to present
this content in a friendly manner. I'd like to try to do something
relatively original, without getting into animation or dynamically
generating content.

You forgot a DOCTYPE.

Got that now thanks.

Instead of:
<p align="left">
&bull; Understand then ...<br>
&bull; Get top positions ...<br>
&bull; Know the basic ...<br>
&bull; Use proven Site ....<br>
&bull; Attain top natural ...</p>
..use a list.

This is tricky for me, we debated this in alt.internet.search.engines as far
as SEO advantages. I made your suggested changes because this site I want to
be more visitor friendly rather than SE friendly.

Thanks alot! I really appreciate your comments.

 

[canadafred]

Fix this:
<http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.rezultz-web-site-prom
otion.com%2F>
and then fix this:
<http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.rezult
z-web-site-promotion.com%2Fcanadian-web-site-promotion.css&usermedium=all
Fix those then come back here.

Thanks Leo, I appreciate your input.

I had thought the mark-up errors to be negligible, but now I see that I
needed to correct them from a design perspective. I ran it through the
validator again along with the CSS file and they came out clean.

I need HTML design input. My visitors from the SEs run away as quick as they
show up. I have looked at many other SEO web sites. Many of them are like
mine and feel the need to explain things completely and with too much text.
I dislike dynamically generating content and am at odds as to how to present
the content in a visitor friendly manner.

I tried splitting the pages into many smaller ones, but that became a
navigational nightmare. My questions become more specific : How in HTML can
I deliver this content effectively?

 

[canadafred]

With neither quill nor qualm, canadafred quothed:

Well, my first impression is that there's way too much text on the first
impression. -And when I tried to resize it in IE to make it bigger and
more readable, it didn't resize. This suggests you were concentrating
more on the appearance of the "lines" of the page rather than on the
actual presentation of the content.

I absolutely was. I see where I make a bad judgement with regards to design.

_My_ suggestion is to make the text

larger, "roomier", and perhaps simpler in layout.

This is good. Precisely the type of suggestions I need to figure out how to
be visitor friendly.

Thanks alot for your time, I value your opinion greatly.

 

[Richard Sexton]

I tried splitting the pages into many smaller ones, but that became a

navigational nightmare. My questions become more specific : How in HTML can
I deliver this content effectively?

This strikes me as akin to "I jsust drew a cat with a crayon, how
can I paint something like the Mona Lisa?"

The answer is of course by aquiring or paying for the skills
that get you what you want.

I don't see there is a simple anser like "use this css from here";
it's all bespoke from here on out.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

[snippage]

You forgot a DOCTYPE.

Got that now thanks.

HTML 4.01 Strict should be used for new documents. Transitional is for
legacy pages.
http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

This is tricky for me, we debated this in alt.internet.search.engines
as far as SEO advantages. I made your suggested changes because this
site I want to be more visitor friendly rather than SE friendly.

What is not SEO friendly about a list? Actually, I would think that a
list is better for SEO than a paragraph.

I see your list, but you have forgotten the <ul> element.

<td width="50%">
<ul> <----- this
<li>Understand then overtake keyphrase competitors.</li>
....
</ul> <----- and this

Just noticed this: it appears you are using <h1> solely for large bold
printing rather than for its true semantic use. Headings. You should

Thanks alot! I really appreciate your comments.

You're welcome. How do you write your code? It looks so .. compressed
.... busy ... resembles the page itself, very busy and not too pleasant
to read. Needs a lot more white space.

 

[canadafred]

HTML 4.01 Strict should be used for new documents. Transitional is for
legacy pages.
http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

Ok, I see. will do.

What is not SEO friendly about a list? Actually, I would think that a
list is better for SEO than a paragraph.

We discussed this in another NG for about three days and I am on the SEO

I see your list, but you have forgotten the <ul> element.

<td width="50%">
<ul> <----- this
<li>Understand then overtake keyphrase competitors.</li>
...
</ul> <----- and this

Of course, where's my head today?

Just noticed this: it appears you are using <h1> solely for large bold
printing rather than for its true semantic use. Headings. You should
have just one <h1> per document, then use <h2>, <h3> etc for
sub-headings.

Absolutely. I never considered that to be as important in web design as it
should. Will make the necessary alterations after lunch.

You're welcome. How do you write your code? It looks so .. compressed
... busy ... resembles the page itself, very busy and not too pleasant
to read. Needs a lot more white space.

I write my code by hand. I don't like software to do it. Tedious I know but
I am particular as to how the SE spider reads it. Cluttered to a code
examiner, yes, but makes the pages quicker to load and quicker to spider.
Each line has 1032 ( I think ) maximum characters and SE spiders run through
it to the end of the line looking for content before the robot starts
reading the next line ( the end of the line used to be a good place to hide
content from code examiners ) . It's important for me to deliver the
keyphrase rich content as close to the beginning lines of code as logically
possible. I use only one tag per line, generally, but avoid spaces between
lines, I group related <table> tags because they take up the page's real
estate. I have experimented with both and tighter is better as long as it is
logically presented.

Again, thank you very much, your comments and perusal are greatly
appreciated.

 

[canadafred]

The answer is of course by aquiring or paying for the skills that get you
what you want.

This is partially what I'm trying to do here. Others have freely given me
their expert perspectives as I do elsewhere.

I don't see there is a simple anser like "use this css from here";
it's all bespoke from here on out.

I don't expect a simple answer, experienced direction among professionals,
would suffice.

Thank you for your concerns, they are noted.

 

[Richard Sexton]

The answer is of course by aquiring or paying for the skills that get you

This is partially what I'm trying to do here. Others have freely given me
their expert perspectives as I do elsewhere.


I don't expect a simple answer, experienced direction among professionals,
would suffice.

Well, what I would suggest is, copy what you like.

What you like or what appeals to you or your audience is a very
subjective and personal thing. You could pay me to redesign it
and it woul dbe a bloody work of art and perfect in every way - to me.

You may not like it. You may not. Look at oodles of sites,
bookmark the 10 you like best, then keep staring at them
then figure out what you like about them.

Then make yours look like that. It won't happen in one day
but if you keep at it then at some point you'll come to think
you can't make it any better.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

[snippage]

What is not SEO friendly about a list? Actually, I would think that a
list is better for SEO than a paragraph.

We discussed this in another NG for about three days and I am on the SEO

Just noticed this: it appears you are using <h1> solely for large bold
printing rather than for its true semantic use. Headings. You should
have just one <h1> per document, then use <h2>, <h3> etc for
sub-headings.

Absolutely. I never considered that to be as important in web design
as it should. Will make the necessary alterations after lunch.

You're welcome. How do you write your code? It looks so .. compressed
... busy ... resembles the page itself, very busy and not too pleasant
to read. Needs a lot more white space.

I write my code by hand.

...as do I.

I don't like software to do it. Tedious I know but I am particular as
to how the SE spider reads it. Cluttered to a code examiner, yes, but
makes the pages quicker to load and quicker to spider.

Never seen any comments before on white-space affecting the outcome.

Each line has 1032 ( I think ) maximum characters and SE spiders run
through it to the end of the line looking for content before the
robot starts reading the next line ( the end of the line used to be a
good place to hide content from code examiners ) .

Never seen or read about the length of line being important. 1032
characters? I have seen that some search engines read only the first NNN
lines, or some number of kilobytes, but line length was not mentioned.

It's important for me to deliver the keyphrase rich content as close
to the beginning lines of code as logically possible. I use only one
tag per line, generally, but avoid spaces between lines, I group
related <table> tags because they take up the page's real estate. I
have experimented with both and tighter is better as long as it is
logically presented.

Perhaps not using tables would help. Placing the content in good
SEO-friendly linear order and using <div>s to position via CSS is even
better. On your page:
<http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/steps-search-engine-optimization/frames-tables.htm>
you mention only frames and tables. A CSS layout has even less HTML for
the search engine to sift through; you should consider adding this
method to the above page.

Again, thank you very much, your comments and perusal are greatly
appreciated.

You're welcome. We try our best.

 

[canadafred]

Well, what I would suggest is, copy what you like.

What you like or what appeals to you or your audience is a very
subjective and personal thing. You could pay me to redesign it
and it woul dbe a bloody work of art and perfect in every way - to me.

You may not like it. You may not. Look at oodles of sites,
bookmark the 10 you like best, then keep staring at them
then figure out what you like about them.

Then make yours look like that. It won't happen in one day
but if you keep at it then at some point you'll come to think
you can't make it any better.

That very good advice. Thank you.

 

[canadafred]

Never seen any comments before on white-space affecting the outcome.


Never seen or read about the length of line being important. 1032
characters? I have seen that some search engines read only the first NNN
lines, or some number of kilobytes, but line length was not mentioned.

Spiders go through everything now, unless the content is deemed repetitive.
I have come across pages that are 130kbs in size with one link on the very
bottom of the code and that linked page has PR from the source.

Perhaps not using tables would help. Placing the content in good
SEO-friendly linear order and using <div>s to position via CSS is even
better. On your page:
<http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/steps-search-engine-optimization/frames-tables.htm>
you mention only frames and tables. A CSS layout has even less HTML for
the search engine to sift through; you should consider adding this
method to the above page.

I have considered that, but haven't gone around to learn how to adapt this
yet. Unfortunately I am hesitant to incorporate to much CSS as frequently
CSS is used in "black hat" SEO. I don't like having more than one linked
style sheet and when I use it, I keep it basic. I also don't like using
<div> tags, this stems from way back, and they play such an important role
in replacing <table>s. But I have to change. It is not easy for me.

Like I said at first, there are some things that have worked for me
throughout the years in SEO that I have a hard time changing. This
particular site, I should try new things. I am a couple of generations
behind in design, I should take the time to catch up.

Thanks again

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

I have considered that, but haven't gone around to learn how to adapt this
yet. Unfortunately I am hesitant to incorporate to much CSS as frequently
CSS is used in "black hat" SEO.

So long as you don't use the CSS to bury and hide keywords (from the
visual appearance) there is no problem using it.

I don't like having more than one linked style sheet and when I use
it, I keep it basic. I also don't like using <div> tags, this stems
from way back, and they play such an important role in replacing
<table>s.

But I have to change. It is not easy for me.

It does take a mindset change (using CSS layout). Once I saw how much
less congested a page was, I was hooked.

Like I said at first, there are some things that have worked for me
throughout the years in SEO that I have a hard time changing. This
particular site, I should try new things. I am a couple of
generations behind in design, I should take the time to catch up.

<body>
<div id="banner"
<img (banner stuff) >
</div>

<div id="content">
<h1> (main heading) </h1>
<p> ... </p> etc
<h2> sub-heading </h2>
<p> ... </p>
</div>

<div id="navigation">
<ul>
<li><a href-"thispage.html">This page</a></li>
<li><a href-"thatpage.html">That page</a></li>
</ul>
</div<

<div id="footer">
<p>Copyright by ... </p>
</div>
</body> ...

...and then a bit of CSS to style and position these id's

 

[Neredbojias]

With neither quill nor qualm, canadafred quothed:

I absolutely was. I see where I make a bad judgement with regards to design.

_My_ suggestion is to make the text

This is good. Precisely the type of suggestions I need to figure out how to
be visitor friendly.

Thanks alot for your time, I value your opinion greatly.

Aw, shucks, I'm just a po' country boy from the outskirts of Peducah
with a natural-born talent for chewing the fat and wooin' the gals who
like their suet masticated.

 

[canadafred]

Thanks again. I am now on a mission to be CSS capable. I'm gonna' fight the
good fight. I have much to learn and your examples of how simple it can be
has convinced me. I especially like the idea that I can still use the <p>
tag in spite of being in a <div>. This used to be a validation error ( back
in HTML 2.0 I think ) so that and other glitches steered me away from CSS
years ago. Now I see the great improvements in stylesheets and must evolve.

When I am up and running with the new design I'll repost a message here for
you to have a look at what you convinced me to create! Hope to speak with
you soon.

Regards