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Robin
Does anyone know of any modules that create and display dynamically
dhtml/css layers?
dhtml/css layers?
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Sherm Pendley
Robin said:Does anyone know of any modules that create
Tons of 'em. CGI.pm has some basic HTML creation functions built in.
HTML::Mason is popular. There are a boatload of template modules on CPAN,
too many to list here - go to cpan.org and search for "html template".
and display dynamically dhtml/css layers?
That's harder - much harder. What you're essentially asking is how to write
a browser in Perl, complete with CSS and JS support. That's a fairly meaty
project.
If you're using Mac OS X Panther, you can use CamelBones and WebKit to write
a browser - there's one at <http://jerakeen.org/programming/toybox/>.
If you're on Linux, you might be able to do something with GTK's HTML widget
and Perl bindings.
If you're using Windows, you'll have to ask someone else. I haven't done
much with Windows for a while.
sherm--
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Uri Guttman
R> Does anyone know of any modules that create and display dynamically
R> dhtml/css layers?
i use Delete::Robin all the time. i highly recommend it.
why do these dumb self-taught coders never realize how little we care
about their opinions or code? is it some self-delusion that they
actually matter? i didn't read the books post but i am sure it was
useless, and given the 'reviewer', it will be a silly list as he never
seems to rtfm at all, so how could anyone trust him to pick books?
and books.perl.org already exists.
uri
R> dhtml/css layers?
i use Delete::Robin all the time. i highly recommend it.
why do these dumb self-taught coders never realize how little we care
about their opinions or code? is it some self-delusion that they
actually matter? i didn't read the books post but i am sure it was
useless, and given the 'reviewer', it will be a silly list as he never
seems to rtfm at all, so how could anyone trust him to pick books?
and books.perl.org already exists.
uri
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Matt Garrish
Robin said:Does anyone know of any modules that create and display dynamically
dhtml/css layers?
You just have to say the magic words: Click-a-dee-click. Barba trick!
On a more serious note, I heard once of a project to mesh PSI::ESP with
CGI.pm to create an automated interface that responds to what users want. In
other words, a webmaster like you could will the output from your scripts to
suit whatever needs you have. It might not be easy to find (not sure how far
the project has come along), but if nothing else you'll learn how to use
Google. You may even learn how write dhtml on your own.
Matt
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Tassilo v. Parseval
Also sprach Uri Guttman:
The more I see pointless postings such as this one, the more I'm tempted
to recommend giving you a negative score.
Eh, what is that? Making implicit crossreferences to other threads
(whose original posting, btw, is not carried by my news server) is not a
very clever thing to do unless they are made explicit by giving a
message-id or at least the subject.
Tassilo
R> Does anyone know of any modules that create and display dynamically
R> dhtml/css layers?
i use Delete::Robin all the time. i highly recommend it.
The more I see pointless postings such as this one, the more I'm tempted
to recommend giving you a negative score.
why do these dumb self-taught coders never realize how little we care
about their opinions or code? is it some self-delusion that they
actually matter? i didn't read the books post but i am sure it was
useless, and given the 'reviewer', it will be a silly list as he never
seems to rtfm at all, so how could anyone trust him to pick books?
Eh, what is that? Making implicit crossreferences to other threads
(whose original posting, btw, is not carried by my news server) is not a
very clever thing to do unless they are made explicit by giving a
message-id or at least the subject.
Tassilo
J
Joe Smith
Robin said:Does anyone know of any modules that create and display dynamically
dhtml/css layers?
Display as what? Fixed-width text on an 80 column by 24 line screen?
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Michele Dondi
i use Delete::Robin all the time. i highly recommend it.
why do these dumb self-taught coders never realize how little we care
about their opinions or code? is it some self-delusion that they
Dear URI,
I, for one, slightly *disagree* with you: while I find too that most
threads started by Robin are a real PITA, I don't see why *a priori*
self-taught coders' opinons/code should not be cared. Of course it
would be better if they accepted more intelligently the suggestions
they receive, but then again I, for one, am a self-taught coder
happily perling mostly everyday on a non-professional basis *and*
AFAICT you've never complained with me like this, yet, my very first
posts here were not much better than Robin's. (I suppose!)
$uri->kindness->increase_by(10);
$uri->elitarism->increase_by(-10);
Just my two Eurocents,
Michele
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Robin
Alright, and sorry about posting attachments, I forgot to take them out.
I finally figured out what I need to do, this but it shouldn't be that hard
to do, I just have to use the print redirect function in cgi.pm...or
autoload the layers
basically what I want to do is write a blogger that has two buttons that
show and hide comments dyanimically, ie: like a tab on windows, but the
comments have to be rendered dynamically...so I'll probably just autoload
the layers if this is possible... or redirect to the same script with the
layer shown.
Does anyone know a module that creates DHTML layers that are autoloaded with
the contents loaded (ie: from files) dynamically on the server side?
Thanks-
Robin
I finally figured out what I need to do, this but it shouldn't be that hard
to do, I just have to use the print redirect function in cgi.pm...or
autoload the layers
basically what I want to do is write a blogger that has two buttons that
show and hide comments dyanimically, ie: like a tab on windows, but the
comments have to be rendered dynamically...so I'll probably just autoload
the layers if this is possible... or redirect to the same script with the
layer shown.
Does anyone know a module that creates DHTML layers that are autoloaded with
the contents loaded (ie: from files) dynamically on the server side?
Thanks-
Robin
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Uri Guttman
MD> Dear URI,
MD> I, for one, slightly *disagree* with you: while I find too that
MD> most threads started by Robin are a real PITA, I don't see why *a
MD> priori* self-taught coders' opinons/code should not be cared. Of
MD> course it would be better if they accepted more intelligently the
MD> suggestions they receive, but then again I, for one, am a
MD> self-taught coder happily perling mostly everyday on a
MD> non-professional basis *and* AFAICT you've never complained with
MD> me like this, yet, my very first posts here were not much better
MD> than Robin's. (I suppose!)
the problem is that too many self taught coders don't understand the
real issues involved (security, accuracy, effciency, etc) and just hack
it to get what looks like some working results. i am not saying all
self-taught coders are like this (randal schwartz surely is not) but
without some training or peer review or a true educational curiosity and
an open mind that is willing to learn, you get moronzilla or robin
types. they think because something is working on the surface (and it is
almost always web stuff today) then it must be ok. none of the real dark
problems are understood nor addressed and of course when you bring them
up, you get shot down as some elitest. working in the computer field
requires a certain level of critical and structured thinking and that is
not something everyone has. but you can get by with a little and code up
a web page and claim you can do it and get a job. it is annoying to us
(or me at least) that jobs are harder to find for that reason. now i am
not for certifications but i wish there was a way to differentiate those
who understand and know how to handle all aspects of coding and those
who just code web stuff.
MD> $uri->kindness->increase_by(10);
MD> $uri->elitarism->increase_by(-10);
and i don't think i was being elistist at all. i was just expressing my
opinion that i am tired of robin who won't listen properly. so many
things are still unaddressed by his code. basic fundamentals are lacking
and just because it shows a functional web page it means to him that it
is ok. sure for his use but don't pawn it off as something anyone else
would want if they knew what it was. but then look at what happened to
matt wright's scripts. thousands of kiddies used them and called
themselves programmers. blecch.
uri
MD> I, for one, slightly *disagree* with you: while I find too that
MD> most threads started by Robin are a real PITA, I don't see why *a
MD> priori* self-taught coders' opinons/code should not be cared. Of
MD> course it would be better if they accepted more intelligently the
MD> suggestions they receive, but then again I, for one, am a
MD> self-taught coder happily perling mostly everyday on a
MD> non-professional basis *and* AFAICT you've never complained with
MD> me like this, yet, my very first posts here were not much better
MD> than Robin's. (I suppose!)
the problem is that too many self taught coders don't understand the
real issues involved (security, accuracy, effciency, etc) and just hack
it to get what looks like some working results. i am not saying all
self-taught coders are like this (randal schwartz surely is not) but
without some training or peer review or a true educational curiosity and
an open mind that is willing to learn, you get moronzilla or robin
types. they think because something is working on the surface (and it is
almost always web stuff today) then it must be ok. none of the real dark
problems are understood nor addressed and of course when you bring them
up, you get shot down as some elitest. working in the computer field
requires a certain level of critical and structured thinking and that is
not something everyone has. but you can get by with a little and code up
a web page and claim you can do it and get a job. it is annoying to us
(or me at least) that jobs are harder to find for that reason. now i am
not for certifications but i wish there was a way to differentiate those
who understand and know how to handle all aspects of coding and those
who just code web stuff.
MD> $uri->kindness->increase_by(10);
MD> $uri->elitarism->increase_by(-10);
and i don't think i was being elistist at all. i was just expressing my
opinion that i am tired of robin who won't listen properly. so many
things are still unaddressed by his code. basic fundamentals are lacking
and just because it shows a functional web page it means to him that it
is ok. sure for his use but don't pawn it off as something anyone else
would want if they knew what it was. but then look at what happened to
matt wright's scripts. thousands of kiddies used them and called
themselves programmers. blecch.
uri
R
Robin
Uri Guttman said:MD> Dear URI,
MD> I, for one, slightly *disagree* with you: while I find too that
MD> most threads started by Robin are a real PITA, I don't see why *a
MD> priori* self-taught coders' opinons/code should not be cared. Of
MD> course it would be better if they accepted more intelligently the
MD> suggestions they receive, but then again I, for one, am a
MD> self-taught coder happily perling mostly everyday on a
MD> non-professional basis *and* AFAICT you've never complained with
MD> me like this, yet, my very first posts here were not much better
MD> than Robin's. (I suppose!)
the problem is that too many self taught coders don't understand the
real issues involved (security, accuracy, effciency, etc) and just hack
it to get what looks like some working results. i am not saying all
self-taught coders are like this (randal schwartz surely is not) but
without some training or peer review or a true educational curiosity and
an open mind that is willing to learn, you get moronzilla or robin
types. they think because something is working on the surface (and it is
almost always web stuff today) then it must be ok. none of the real dark
problems are understood nor addressed and of course when you bring them
up, you get shot down as some elitest. working in the computer field
requires a certain level of critical and structured thinking and that is
not something everyone has. but you can get by with a little and code up
a web page and claim you can do it and get a job. it is annoying to us
(or me at least) that jobs are harder to find for that reason. now i am
not for certifications but i wish there was a way to differentiate those
who understand and know how to handle all aspects of coding and those
who just code web stuff.
MD> $uri->kindness->increase_by(10);
MD> $uri->elitarism->increase_by(-10);
and i don't think i was being elistist at all. i was just expressing my
opinion that i am tired of robin who won't listen properly. so many
things are still unaddressed by his code. basic fundamentals are lacking
and just because it shows a functional web page it means to him that it
is ok. sure for his use but don't pawn it off as something anyone else
would want if they knew what it was. but then look at what happened to
matt wright's scripts. thousands of kiddies used them and called
themselves programmers. blecch.
are you calling me a script kiddie? I wrote a chat server at age 17 and have
read a lot. Maybe my code is not the most perfect code, but I'm taking the
advice of a lot of these people here, doesn't there have to be an artistic
liscence in code? I dunno if it's you who's hypocrite or me...
U
Uri Guttman
R> are you calling me a script kiddie? I wrote a chat server at age 17
R> and have read a lot. Maybe my code is not the most perfect code,
R> but I'm taking the advice of a lot of these people here, doesn't
R> there have to be an artistic liscence in code? I dunno if it's you
R> who's hypocrite or me...
i have read a lot about brain surgery. want me to work on your brain?
was that chat server as robust and secure as the stuff you have been
posting here? you do learn but obliquely and never on the first 3 times
you are told how to do something. you seem to code with cutouts and not
with a design in mind. as i said, getting something to display working
html is not hard at all. so you did that, BFD. coding that shows you
understand all the issues and not having to be told what they are all
the time is another matter. even when you are told what to do and why
you do it begrudgingly and not fully integrating in the new
knowledge. that is what learning to code is all about. learning and
understanding what is behind the actual code and why you make each
coding decision. when you have that understanding you will know it and
so will the group. my comment about self taught coders is that they
usually come to that point much later and slower than others. coding is
an expression of a particular style of thinking and that doesn't come
naturally to most people. some have it, some can learn to varying
degrees and some will never get it. getting code to run is not the goal
but the path to it.
uri
R> and have read a lot. Maybe my code is not the most perfect code,
R> but I'm taking the advice of a lot of these people here, doesn't
R> there have to be an artistic liscence in code? I dunno if it's you
R> who's hypocrite or me...
i have read a lot about brain surgery. want me to work on your brain?
was that chat server as robust and secure as the stuff you have been
posting here? you do learn but obliquely and never on the first 3 times
you are told how to do something. you seem to code with cutouts and not
with a design in mind. as i said, getting something to display working
html is not hard at all. so you did that, BFD. coding that shows you
understand all the issues and not having to be told what they are all
the time is another matter. even when you are told what to do and why
you do it begrudgingly and not fully integrating in the new
knowledge. that is what learning to code is all about. learning and
understanding what is behind the actual code and why you make each
coding decision. when you have that understanding you will know it and
so will the group. my comment about self taught coders is that they
usually come to that point much later and slower than others. coding is
an expression of a particular style of thinking and that doesn't come
naturally to most people. some have it, some can learn to varying
degrees and some will never get it. getting code to run is not the goal
but the path to it.
uri
R
Robin
i have read a lot about brain surgery. want me to work on your brain?
was that chat server as robust and secure as the stuff you have been
posting here?
Well, my code isn't all that insecure. And the chat server only crashed when
there was bugs in the code, not when people were using it. Of course I only
had like 4 people on it so I dunno if it would have handled a heavier load.
you do learn but obliquely and never on the first 3 times
you are told how to do something. you seem to code with cutouts and not
with a design in mind. as i said, getting something to display working
html is not hard at all. so you did that, BFD. coding that shows you
understand all the issues and not having to be told what they are all
the time is another matter. even when you are told what to do and why
you do it begrudgingly and not fully integrating in the new
knowledge. that is what learning to code is all about. learning and
understanding what is behind the actual code and why you make each
coding decision. when you have that understanding you will know it and
so will the group. my comment about self taught coders is that they
usually come to that point much later and slower than others. coding is
an expression of a particular style of thinking and that doesn't come
naturally to most people. some have it, some can learn to varying
degrees and some will never get it. getting code to run is not the goal
but the path to it.
I like this rant, I'll keep it in mind.
T
Tad McClellan
Robin said:are you calling me a script kiddie?
The code you have posted here is a classic example of script kiddie code.
I dunno if _you_ are a script kiddie, but your code sure is.
R
Robin
Tad McClellan said:The code you have posted here is a classic example of script kiddie code.
I dunno if _you_ are a script kiddie, but your code sure is.
ok.... touche.
-Robin
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Uri Guttman
R> Well, my code isn't all that insecure. And the chat server only
R> crashed when there was bugs in the code, not when people were using
R> it. Of course I only had like 4 people on it so I dunno if it would
R> have handled a heavier load.
ok, this will help you. you don't have the skills (yet!?) to judge if
your code is insecure. you have no skills in understanding basic let
alone complex security issues. do you even understand what a race
condition is? it has been mentioned to you and your earlier versions had
them. moronzilla has no clue about them and likes it that way. now you
don't have to go to school to learn about race conditions but it is an
issue you need to understand and one of hundreds and thousands of
others. you don't even realize how much you have yet to learn about
programming. what you have played with is the ice cube part of the artic
ice pack. as i said, getting something to display working behavior
doesn't mean it is properly working. you have to learn what professional
code really means. that includes security, performance, stability,
maintainability, documentation, and many others.
R> I like this rant, I'll keep it in mind.
just keep more of the perl docs in mind. as well as a dozen or so good
books on computer science.
uri
R> crashed when there was bugs in the code, not when people were using
R> it. Of course I only had like 4 people on it so I dunno if it would
R> have handled a heavier load.
ok, this will help you. you don't have the skills (yet!?) to judge if
your code is insecure. you have no skills in understanding basic let
alone complex security issues. do you even understand what a race
condition is? it has been mentioned to you and your earlier versions had
them. moronzilla has no clue about them and likes it that way. now you
don't have to go to school to learn about race conditions but it is an
issue you need to understand and one of hundreds and thousands of
others. you don't even realize how much you have yet to learn about
programming. what you have played with is the ice cube part of the artic
ice pack. as i said, getting something to display working behavior
doesn't mean it is properly working. you have to learn what professional
code really means. that includes security, performance, stability,
maintainability, documentation, and many others.
R> I like this rant, I'll keep it in mind.
just keep more of the perl docs in mind. as well as a dozen or so good
books on computer science.
uri
R
Robin
R> Well, my code isn't all that insecure. And the chat server only
-Robin
good call,R> crashed when there was bugs in the code, not when people were using
R> it. Of course I only had like 4 people on it so I dunno if it would
R> have handled a heavier load.
ok, this will help you. you don't have the skills (yet!?) to judge if
your code is insecure. you have no skills in understanding basic let
alone complex security issues. do you even understand what a race
condition is? it has been mentioned to you and your earlier versions had
them. moronzilla has no clue about them and likes it that way. now you
don't have to go to school to learn about race conditions but it is an
issue you need to understand and one of hundreds and thousands of
others. you don't even realize how much you have yet to learn about
programming. what you have played with is the ice cube part of the artic
ice pack. as i said, getting something to display working behavior
doesn't mean it is properly working. you have to learn what professional
code really means. that includes security, performance, stability,
maintainability, documentation, and many others.
R> I like this rant, I'll keep it in mind.
just keep more of the perl docs in mind. as well as a dozen or so good
books on computer science.
uri
-Robin
M
Michele Dondi
MD> $uri->kindness->increase_by(10);
MD> $uri->elitarism->increase_by(-10);
and i don't think i was being elistist at all. i was just expressing my
opinion that i am tired of robin who won't listen properly.
It was just my gut feeling. AFAICS I was not the only one... as I said
though I do share at least (a large) part of your opinion about Robin,
or better to say: about what he is repeatedly doing!
Michele
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