Need help converting a table to div/css

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

I don't believe it's time to switch to using pure CSS for layouts.

You're right. The time arrived several years ago.

My reasoning? IE. I could launch off on a tangent

Please don't. It's all been said millions of times already.

about all the retarded things IE does with CSS,

Sure it does some retarded things. So why not write good CSS that does
not do retarded things?

but the fact remains that over 80% of people on the Internet use IE,
and I don't want my site butchered it (I did a recent check and made
a CSS layout for the hell of it, looked great in Firefox and Opera,
looked absolutely horrible in IE).

Then either you did something wrong, or you are striving for a
"pixel-perfect" layout, which is almost always doomed to failure, even
with tables.

Most "pixel-perfect" sites break horribly with a simple increase in text
size.

And though there are hacks to get around IE's deficiencies, I can't
bring myself to dirty up my code like that. Therefore, I believe the
ugly tables solution will have to do for the immediate future.

Well, you have fun with your ugly tables, hard-to-maintain, bloated
pages then. I wish you well.

 

[Vaxius]

What you will be told here is that you are already dirtying up
your code with tables, that you should smarten up.

I am glad you are all **** a hoop about it. I am a defeated
being, battered by the power of this church, guilt-ridden about
every layout table I have on old existing sites and the task of
changing so much is altogether too daunting. It is cheaper to
feel bad, to skulk about and lie low... occasionally neighbours
who are probably alt.html church members come out and beat me
with rolled up old newspapers as I try to sneak past their houses
early to get the latest daily to read...

You will feel differently when you get better at providing for IE
6. You can easily make a separate CSS sheet just for IEs eyes.
Your reluctance to "dirty up" your "code" sounds to me based on a
a few misunderstandings. For a start, the HTMl, ideally, will be
as pure as the driven snow. It is the CSS sheets that are linked
that can provide the solution. And it is fun. Have you got better
things to do or something?

Don't be like that US senator going on about morality but
secretly doing dirty things anyway. Wise up young Roman! The past
is the past. But the future is under your control.

Thanks dorayme and Beauregard, I guess it's time for me to once again
forage into the world of CSS layouts, and leave my outdated tables behind
me. BTW, does anyone know why IE seems to ignore the min-height property?

 

[dorayme]

Thanks dorayme and Beauregard, I guess it's time for me to once again
forage into the world of CSS layouts, and leave my outdated tables behind
me. BTW, does anyone know why IE seems to ignore the min-height property?

Why IE 6 ignores min-anything is a mystery... but why does it
ignore so much that is standard to other browsers? For exactly
the same reason probably.

 

[ato_zee]

I thought of using div instead of tables, a nightmare, found
http://techpatterns.com/web_design/tables_div/div_problems.php
which explained some of it.
Also Googled and found sites with bug lists covering most of
the browsers, they have all got bugs, and often different bugs
and behaviour with different versions of the same browser.
It's the browsers that need validating by W3C.
What's the point of W3C validating engine if browsers mangle
valid code?
Lets have a browser logo, validated by W3C.