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Richard Heathfield
CBFalconer said:
Perhaps it's the fault of my browser.
Perhaps it's the fault of my browser.
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Richard Heathfield
Mark McIntyre said:
Partly because I'm a hard-hearted, callous, unforgiving, grudge-holding
curmudgeon who still hasn't forgiven Adobe for the stunt they pulled about
200 years ago w.r.t. Dmitri Sklyarov, and partly because I am not convinced
that Adobe's reader is going to work terribly well on Linux, and I don't
want to expend time, energy and pain finding out.
Oh, I don't /always/ use galeon. sometimes I use Konqueror. Or lynx. Or
wget. Or Netscape. Or whatever. (And on the kids' Windows machine, I make
them use Firefox. I've threatened them with a disk format if they so much
as breathe in the direction of IE.)
Partly because I'm a hard-hearted, callous, unforgiving, grudge-holding
curmudgeon who still hasn't forgiven Adobe for the stunt they pulled about
200 years ago w.r.t. Dmitri Sklyarov, and partly because I am not convinced
that Adobe's reader is going to work terribly well on Linux, and I don't
want to expend time, energy and pain finding out.
Oh, I don't /always/ use galeon. sometimes I use Konqueror. Or lynx. Or
wget. Or Netscape. Or whatever. (And on the kids' Windows machine, I make
them use Firefox. I've threatened them with a disk format if they so much
as breathe in the direction of IE.)
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Micah Cowan
Richard Heathfield said:
Can't you just register xpdf with Galeon (specific browser gleaned
from else-thread)? At the least, it seems like putting it in your
..mailcap should solve it.
This certainly doesn't put me in good favor of Galeon... But as a
lover of typography, I have a certain fondness for PDF and some other
related Adobe technologies.
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Richard Heathfield
Micah Cowan said:
You remind me of me. Whenever my wife puts a problem to me, I try to provide
her with a solution. To me, this is just plain common sense. Problem,
solution. Easy.
But she doesn't *want* a solution. She just wants me to say "there, there,
poor dear... I understand, I really do."
You remind me of me. Whenever my wife puts a problem to me, I try to provide
her with a solution. To me, this is just plain common sense. Problem,
solution. Easy.
But she doesn't *want* a solution. She just wants me to say "there, there,
poor dear... I understand, I really do."
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Richard Bos
MrG{DRGN} said:
For one, HTML is a pain in the backside to print (and yes, occasionally
you do want to print excerpts). For another, HTML looks differently on
IE, on FireFox, Opera, whatever - and how are you going to display the
formulae used in, e.g., the definition of the floating point formats, in
Lynx? Remember, this is an official Standard - clarity is important, and
confusion undesirable.
Richard
J
Jordan Abel
alt text for the image could be the TeX or eqn version of the formula.
Formatting differences don't usually risk changing the meaning.
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Ben Bacarisse
You forgotten the great "is this full stop italic?" debate. Cyber legend
has it that this question was key to disambiguating one part of the Algol
68 definition!
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Jordan Abel
I can't find anywhere in my c89 [notably, a plaintext draft] where a
formatting question makes it unclear to me. Perhaps the algol standard
was poorly written.
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Ben Pfaff
Ben Bacarisse said:
It is easier to examine HTML to determine whether a character is
italic than it is to examine PDF to determine whether a character
is italic.
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Micah Cowan
Richard Heathfield said:
So, you're saying you didn't want me to help you find a
solution...
Seriously, though, I think this is a point that every man should
memorize, as it is an a very frequent truth regarding the difference
between men and women and how they deal with conversation. Women often
just want someone to talk to, which men mistake for a request for a
solution.
Even more seriously, I think we've now gone /quite/ off-topic...
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Keith Thompson
Micah Cowan said:So, you're saying you didn't want me to help you find a
solution...
Seriously, though, I think this is a point that every man should
memorize, as it is an a very frequent truth regarding the difference
between men and women and how they deal with conversation. Women often
just want someone to talk to, which men mistake for a request for a
solution.
Even more seriously, I think we've now gone /quite/ off-topic...
Yes, we've gone off-topic. I understand, I really do.
(Ok, I'll stop now.)
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Michael Mair
Keith said:
It is good to have talked about this.
SCNR
Michael
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jaysome
Richard said:
This never happens to me on Windows. I use IE, FireFox and Mozilla.
Everything just works.
If you're experiencing this problem under Windows XP, then Microsoft or
Adobe will have your fix by tomorrow morning.
If you're experiencing this problem under Linux, then those Open Source
programmers might have your fix even sooner. Maybe not. Open Source is
so awesome.
Good luck
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Richard Heathfield
jaysome said:
Yeah, right.
To be fair, Konqueror handles PDFs just fine (by shelling out to
KGhostView). But Konqueror takes ages to load. Not as long as IE, of
course, but still ages. So I tend to use galeon unless I have a really
compelling reason to need Konqueror's features.
Yeah, right.
To be fair, Konqueror handles PDFs just fine (by shelling out to
KGhostView). But Konqueror takes ages to load. Not as long as IE, of
course, but still ages. So I tend to use galeon unless I have a really
compelling reason to need Konqueror's features.
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Richard Bos
Jordan Abel said:
Could be, but then you'd have to have TeX or eqn installed to display
it. I'd expect those to be rarer than a PDF reader.
They do in formulas. 12x2 is completely different from 12x2.
Richard
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Jordan Abel
Or you could interpret the code. You know, by reading it. It's not
hard, the c89 draft floating around contains eqn code.
or use mathml. Out of curiosity - is your issue whether lynx will
display it properly? [if you're using lynx as your html browser, you
probably don't have a pdf viewer other than google's pdf to html] or
whether the meaning can be discovered by examining the html document?
Also, how exactly is it a "pain in the backside" to print html? If we
allow the assumption that an arbitrary pdf reader has a "print" command,
let's also allow that an arbitrary html browser has one.
The formula could be written out in words. I don't see what's wrong with
"The floor of (p minus one times the logarithm base ten of b) plus 1 if
b is a power of 10, 0 otherwise"
or write it out in C pseudocode.
floor((p-1)*log10(b))+([b is a power of 10]?1:0)
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CBFalconer
Richard said:
Properly constructed HTML adapts to the output page (or screen)
size, and thus is much more easily printed than something rigidly
fixed such as a PDF file.
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Micah Cowan
CBFalconer said:
We're now pretty off topic, but I should point out that this is not
strictly true... "tagged" PDF files also adapt to the output page
size, in addition to some other accessibility benefits...
http://www.planetpdf.com/enterprise/article.asp?ContentID=6067&mp
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Mark McIntyre
This is actually VERY undesirable in any formal document. You do NOT
want pages reflowing, diagrams and tables being orphaned, weird
linebreaks or pagebreaks appearing, etc etc when you print them. You
want them to appear EXACTLY as you laid them out. Trust me on this.
Rigidly fixed is precisely what you want with an actual document.
Mark McIntyre
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Jordan Abel
A parallel html version would be nice for the uses that _don't_ involve
printing, though. Maybe a multi-file version like most html
documentation using docbook or info2html or anything else uses.