Need to find way around "resizable=no" like IE 5.01 used to do

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Peabody, Oct 30, 2003.

  1. Peabody

    Peabody Guest

    Let me confess up front that I am not an html author, but only a
    lowly surfer dude. But I thought someone here might have an answer
    for me.

    Last week I was running IE 5.01 SP2. I have since "upgraded" to IE
    5.5 SP2. In the process I have lost the ability to Maximize certain
    browser windows. So, a window comes up that's fixed in pixel size,
    and at 800x600 it's too big so you can't see the whole window, but
    at 1024x768 it's a good bit smaller than the screen, and therefore
    more difficult to see the fine print. All attempts to fit it to the
    screen are fruitless because Maximize is greyed out.

    A good example is at:

    http://www.chatpal.com

    Go there, pull down the "Flash Chat" menu, and select a room. A new
    window will come up with an error message about having to register,
    but the point is that that window can't be maximized in IE 5.5 or
    6.0, but I could do that in 5.01.

    After much searching I've found out why:

    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;211068

    Basically, IE 5.01 was defective - it ignored "resizable=no". Now,
    Bill has "fixed" it. I just hate it when that happens.

    In another thread here with the subject "display maximized" a number
    of posters asserted that authors should not be trying to force
    viewers to a certain window size, or take choices away from them. I
    agree with that, so I thought I would try to find a way to restore
    the 5.01 Maximize functionality and defeat the unjustified attempts
    of certain authors to tell me wtf to do with my window size.

    So I'm hoping someone here will have some ideas about how to do
    this. My wayback machine is broken, so I can't go back to 5.01, but
    I am very handy with registry entries (98SE) and know how to use a
    hex editor.

    Another possibility is that F11 did seem to work, sorta, but the top
    of the previous window overlay the new window, and that's no good.

    And, yes, I have sent email to the site in question, but have
    received no response. But beyond that, I need a general fix for
    this. All mankind needs a general fix for this. I just don't want
    you guys disabling my Maximize button.

    Hoping someone here will have a fix, but thanks for reading this far
    anyway.

    Peabody
     
    Peabody, Oct 30, 2003
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  2. Peabody wrote:

    > And, yes, I have sent email to the site in question, but have
    > received no response. But beyond that, I need a general fix for
    > this. All mankind needs a general fix for this. I just don't want
    > you guys disabling my Maximize button.


    There are a few a couple of options at your disposal:

    1. Download, install and configure a web proxy that can filter out such
    annoyances for you. Proximitron is good for this sort of thing, I hear,
    although I've not tried it myself.

    2. Download and install Opera 7.21 from http://www.opera.com/. Opera is a
    thoroughly better browser than Internet Explorer and allows you to resize
    any window (although in preferences you can tell it to allow
    "resizable=no" to take effect -- I can't imagine why anyone would want
    to!) as well as plenty of other fun and useful things. It is also
    noticeably faster than most other browsers, Internet Explorer included.

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    Toby A Inkster, Oct 30, 2003
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  3. Peabody

    DU Guest

    Peabody wrote:

    > Let me confess up front that I am not an html author, but only a
    > lowly surfer dude. But I thought someone here might have an answer
    > for me.
    >
    > Last week I was running IE 5.01 SP2. I have since "upgraded" to IE
    > 5.5 SP2. In the process I have lost the ability to Maximize certain
    > browser windows. So, a window comes up that's fixed in pixel size,
    > and at 800x600 it's too big so you can't see the whole window, but
    > at 1024x768 it's a good bit smaller than the screen, and therefore
    > more difficult to see the fine print. All attempts to fit it to the
    > screen are fruitless because Maximize is greyed out.
    >
    > A good example is at:
    >
    > http://www.chatpal.com
    >
    > Go there, pull down the "Flash Chat" menu, and select a room. A new
    > window will come up with an error message about having to register,
    > but the point is that that window can't be maximized in IE 5.5 or
    > 6.0, but I could do that in 5.01.
    >
    > After much searching I've found out why:
    >
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;211068
    >
    > Basically, IE 5.01 was defective - it ignored "resizable=no". Now,
    > Bill has "fixed" it. I just hate it when that happens.
    >


    Very interesting. At one point, Mozilla had the same issue:
    Bug 87972: window.open() with 'resizable=no' is still resizable
    http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87972

    > In another thread here with the subject "display maximized" a number
    > of posters asserted that authors should not be trying to force
    > viewers to a certain window size, or take choices away from them. I
    > agree with that, so I thought I would try to find a way to restore
    > the 5.01 Maximize functionality


    It's not so much the maximize functionality as the resizability of a window.

    and defeat the unjustified attempts
    > of certain authors to tell me wtf to do with my window size.
    >


    Most of the time, web designers are not aware of doing so or they don't
    deliberately try to annoy users by preventing the resizing of the
    window. Some just set width and height of the new window, try it and
    feel it's the correct size **on their machine** and assume everything is
    perfect. What they ignore is that users have different screen
    resolution, also different default font-sizes and also that once a
    single windowFeature is declared in the window.open call, all other
    windowFeatures are turn off.
    "When the sFeatures parameter is specified, the features that are not
    defined in the parameter are disabled. Therefore, when using the
    sFeatures parameter, it is necessary to enable all the features that
    are to be included in the new window."
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/methods/open_0.asp

    > So I'm hoping someone here will have some ideas about how to do
    > this. My wayback machine is broken, so I can't go back to 5.01, but
    > I am very handy with registry entries (98SE) and know how to use a
    > hex editor.
    >
    > Another possibility is that F11 did seem to work, sorta, but the top
    > of the previous window overlay the new window, and that's no good.
    >
    > And, yes, I have sent email to the site in question, but have
    > received no response. But beyond that, I need a general fix for
    > this. All mankind needs a general fix for this. I just don't want
    > you guys disabling my Maximize button.
    >
    > Hoping someone here will have a fix, but thanks for reading this far
    > anyway.
    >
    > Peabody
    >


    Here's my recommendation. Just like Toby answered you, use an
    alternative browser.
    Opera 7.21 ignores "resizable=no" all the time.
    K-meleon 0.8 build 834 is even faster than Opera 7.21, is based on
    Mozilla 1.5, is highly configurable and has a simple setting forcing all
    windows to be resizable all the time.
    Mozilla-based browsers have a resizing grippy at the bottom-right corner
    of the window, in the status bar; there are still a few issues with that
    (what if the statusbar is turned off; if the window is shorter than
    134px [or outerHeight < 178px] or narrower than 316px, then that grippy
    is not accessible, not reachable).
    In the user.js file, you can add this line:
    user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_feature.resizable", true);

    I filed a bugfile on making all windows resizable all the time, always,
    just like Opera 7.x. Make all windows resizable with no resizing grippy,
    no proxomitron, no user setting to do, no advanced pref setting to find
    and select, no user.js file to edit, no email to send to the webmaster,
    no searching and reading to do in knowledgebase site or bugfiles
    database, no irritation anymore, no posting in newsgroup to do anymore,
    no non-sensical efforts to do to restore normal standard usability of a
    webpage.
    Create an account
    http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/createaccount.cgi
    and vote for this:
    Bug 177838: Make all popup windows resizable, ignoring resizable=no
    http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177838
    As Toby said, use proxomitron for MSIE: it will "sterilize" all these
    "resizable=no" or windowFeatures string list missing "resizable=yes".

    Still need more reading on this?
    Bug 27795: Add resizing grippy to bottom-right of Windows windows
    http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27795#c44
    Bug 176304: Option to disallow scripts from hiding toolbars
    http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176304#c14 parg. 2

    DU
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    DU, Oct 30, 2003
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  4. Peabody

    DU Guest

    Toby A Inkster wrote:

    > Peabody wrote:
    >
    >
    >>And, yes, I have sent email to the site in question, but have
    >>received no response. But beyond that, I need a general fix for
    >>this. All mankind needs a general fix for this. I just don't want
    >>you guys disabling my Maximize button.

    >
    >
    > There are a few a couple of options at your disposal:
    >
    > 1. Download, install and configure a web proxy that can filter out such
    > annoyances for you. Proximitron is good for this sort of thing, I hear,
    > although I've not tried it myself.
    >
    > 2. Download and install Opera 7.21 from http://www.opera.com/. Opera is a
    > thoroughly better browser than Internet Explorer and allows you to resize
    > any window (although in preferences you can tell it to allow
    > "resizable=no" to take effect


    As far as I know, Opera 7.x always allow a window to be resized. Even an
    user can NOT give scripters the power to turn off a window's
    resizability. I think you may be mixed up with scrollbars
    (View/Scrollbars Ctrl+F7)

    DU
    --
    Javascript and Browser bugs:
    http://www10.brinkster.com/doctorunclear/
    - Resources, help and tips for Netscape 7.x users and Composer
    - Interactive demos on Popup windows, music (audio/midi) in Netscape 7.x
    http://www10.brinkster.com/doctorunclear/Netscape7/Netscape7Section.html
     
    DU, Oct 30, 2003
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  5. Peabody

    Peabody Guest

    DU says...

    > Most of the time, web designers are not aware of doing
    > so or they don't deliberately try to annoy users by
    > preventing the resizing of the window. Some just set
    > width and height of the new window, try it and feel it's
    > the correct size **on their machine** and assume
    > everything is perfect. What they ignore is that users
    > have different screen resolution, also different default
    > font-sizes and also that once a single windowFeature is
    > declared in the window.open call, all other
    > windowFeatures are turn off.


    Yeah, I understand that it basically isn't malicious. I
    just want a way around it.

    > Here's my recommendation. Just like Toby answered you,
    > use an alternative browser.


    I appreciate the suggestion, but I'm just not ready to learn
    a new browser just to fix this problem. Hell, I'm still
    using WinVn for news.

    > As Toby said, use proxomitron for MSIE: it will
    > "sterilize" all these "resizable=no" or windowFeatures
    > string list missing "resizable=yes".


    I'm just back from reading up on this. How did I live so
    long without knowing about this. And it doesn't even mess
    with the registry. The potential problem, though, is my
    Celeron 500. Well, it will be easy enough to try it and see
    how much it slows things down.

    I appreciate your and Toby's suggestions. I'm a little
    disappointed that there isn't an unofficial fix for this in
    IE itself, but now at least I do have a way to get around
    it, which I didn't have before.

    Thanks very much.

    Peabody
     
    Peabody, Oct 31, 2003
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  6. Peabody

    DU Guest

    Peabody wrote:

    > DU says...
    >
    > > Most of the time, web designers are not aware of doing
    > > so or they don't deliberately try to annoy users by
    > > preventing the resizing of the window. Some just set
    > > width and height of the new window, try it and feel it's
    > > the correct size **on their machine** and assume
    > > everything is perfect. What they ignore is that users
    > > have different screen resolution, also different default
    > > font-sizes and also that once a single windowFeature is
    > > declared in the window.open call, all other
    > > windowFeatures are turn off.

    >
    > Yeah, I understand that it basically isn't malicious. I
    > just want a way around it.
    >


    You can collaborate to have a real fix on a badly conceived window
    method and this for everyone...

    > > Here's my recommendation. Just like Toby answered you,
    > > use an alternative browser.

    >
    > I appreciate the suggestion, but I'm just not ready to learn
    > a new browser just to fix this problem.


    You only have to click a setting in K-meleon. You have nothing to do in
    Opera 7.x. You have to edit the user.js file in any Mozilla-based
    browser. You hardly need to learn a whole new browser. Tab browsing and
    control of unrequested popups are the most appreciated features of all
    these browsers. Also customizable control of cookies, masterpassword,
    etc.. are popular.

    Hell, I'm still
    > using WinVn for news.
    >
    > > As Toby said, use proxomitron for MSIE: it will
    > > "sterilize" all these "resizable=no" or windowFeatures
    > > string list missing "resizable=yes".

    >
    > I'm just back from reading up on this. How did I live so
    > long without knowing about this. And it doesn't even mess
    > with the registry. The potential problem, though, is my
    > Celeron 500. Well, it will be easy enough to try it and see
    > how much it slows things down.
    >
    > I appreciate your and Toby's suggestions. I'm a little
    > disappointed that there isn't an unofficial fix for this in
    > IE itself,


    But from MSIE's perspective, there is no bug: a popup can be made
    unresizable. Same thing on Mozilla.

    but now at least I do have a way to get around
    > it, which I didn't have before.
    >
    > Thanks very much.
    >
    > Peabody
    >



    DU
     
    DU, Oct 31, 2003
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  7. Peabody

    Peabody Guest

    Bad news. I installed Proxomitron, but was unable to find any
    setting that allowed the window to come up at all, and also enabled
    the Maximize command.

    If anyone wants to take a shot, that URL was

    http://www.chatpal.com

    It was the Flash Chat tab.
     
    Peabody, Oct 31, 2003
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  8. Peabody wrote:

    > Bad news. I installed Proxomitron, but was unable to find any setting
    > that allowed the window to come up at all, and also enabled the
    > Maximize command.


    You can write your own filters for Proxo, if there isn't one already
    supplied to do what you wish. It's extremely versitile.

    Probable help here: http://asp.flaaten.dk/proxo/

    Besides the forums themselves, you can probably be directed to the
    home-brew and author filters archives. Might already be something there
    that works, but that doesn't ship with Proxo.

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    Blinky the Shark, Oct 31, 2003
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  9. DU wrote:

    > As far as I know, Opera 7.x always allow a window to be resized. Even an
    > user can NOT give scripters the power to turn off a window's
    > resizability.


    You are right.

    > I think you may be mixed up with scrollbars (View/Scrollbars Ctrl+F7)


    Actually I had it mixed up with the "Allow JavaScript to Resize Windows"
    option.

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    Toby A Inkster, Oct 31, 2003
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  10. Peabody

    Peabody Guest

    Blinky the Shark says...

    >> Bad news. I installed Proxomitron, but was unable to
    >> find any setting that allowed the window to come up at
    >> all, and also enabled the Maximize command.


    > You can write your own filters for Proxo, if there isn't
    > one already supplied to do what you wish. It's
    > extremely versitile.


    > Probable help here: http://asp.flaaten.dk/proxo/


    > Besides the forums themselves, you can probably be
    > directed to the home-brew and author filters archives.
    > Might already be something there that works, but that
    > doesn't ship with Proxo.


    Ok, thanks very much, Blinky. Apparently the problem is
    that none of the default filters keys on the exact way the
    resize function is being turned off - the exact language to
    match on, I mean.

    Is there a way to see what the source code is for this kind
    of Flash window? I can do that on a normal window - select
    Source in the View menu. But there's no such option that
    I can see in this case. Is there any way to see that code?
    If so, I think I could just write my own filter.
     
    Peabody, Oct 31, 2003
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  11. Peabody

    DU Guest

    Toby A Inkster wrote:

    > DU wrote:
    >
    >
    >>As far as I know, Opera 7.x always allow a window to be resized. Even an
    >>user can NOT give scripters the power to turn off a window's
    >>resizability.

    >
    >
    > You are right.
    >
    >
    >>I think you may be mixed up with scrollbars (View/Scrollbars Ctrl+F7)

    >
    >
    > Actually I had it mixed up with the "Allow JavaScript to Resize Windows"
    > option.
    >


    I even wrote in a bugzilla bugfile that Opera 6.x always had its windows
    resizable by the user.
    You were mixed up and you know well browsers: just imagine avg. users
    now... They get really mixed up with settings, user prefs, etc..

    DU
     
    DU, Oct 31, 2003
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  12. Peabody wrote:

    > Blinky the Shark says...


    > >> Bad news. I installed Proxomitron, but was unable to
    > >> find any setting that allowed the window to come up at
    > >> all, and also enabled the Maximize command.


    > > You can write your own filters for Proxo, if there isn't
    > > one already supplied to do what you wish. It's
    > > extremely versitile.


    > > Probable help here: http://asp.flaaten.dk/proxo/


    > > Besides the forums themselves, you can probably be
    > > directed to the home-brew and author filters archives.
    > > Might already be something there that works, but that
    > > doesn't ship with Proxo.


    > Ok, thanks very much, Blinky. Apparently the problem is
    > that none of the default filters keys on the exact way the
    > resize function is being turned off - the exact language to
    > match on, I mean.


    As you say, those are the defaults -- did you explore others,
    via those links?

    > Is there a way to see what the source code is for this kind
    > of Flash window? I can do that on a normal window - select
    > Source in the View menu. But there's no such option that
    > I can see in this case. Is there any way to see that code?
    > If so, I think I could just write my own filter.


    I don't know a darned thing about Flash, Peabody. Sorry about
    that. But don't give up on Proxo -- if you *can* figure out what
    you need to match, it seemingly can do just about anything.

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    Blinky the Shark, Oct 31, 2003
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  13. Peabody

    Peabody Guest

    Blinky the Shark says...

    > I don't know a darned thing about Flash, Peabody. Sorry
    > about that. But don't give up on Proxo -- if you *can*
    > figure out what you need to match, it seemingly can do
    > just about anything.


    Yep. Found a filter this morning at the forum. And it
    seems to work.

    Thanks very much to you, Toby and DU for the help.
     
    Peabody, Nov 2, 2003
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  14. Peabody wrote:

    > Blinky the Shark says...


    > > I don't know a darned thing about Flash, Peabody. Sorry
    > > about that. But don't give up on Proxo -- if you *can*
    > > figure out what you need to match, it seemingly can do
    > > just about anything.


    > Yep. Found a filter this morning at the forum. And it
    > seems to work.


    Good deal. Glad you scored. And enjoy Proxo for its other
    capabiities, as well.

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