I am Twisted and my real name is Jerry Gerrone. It is not Paul. And I
am not Wesley MacIntosh.
This is getting frankly ludicrous. Now *everyone* is being suspected
of being Paul, including Arne. What is going on here? Has the name
simply become a general-purpose epithet in cljp? If that keeps up, I
wonder if the real Paul will eventually turn up and sue just about
everyone here for libel -- Arne, secret decoder ring, you, me,
Lew, ...
Let's do a google search on your posting history.
Ah. I see. It seems you think everyone is just another incarnation of
twisted/Paul.
Unfortunately, this seems to be true of several people around here.
Equally unfortunate is a tendency to uncritically repeat things like
"twisted/Paul" (sic) that imply something incorrect. I am not Paul. I
am Jerry.
I don't think I was "fooled" by anyone. I made up my own damn mind based
on the available evidence. What I saw was one person being patient and
trying to reason with another person, and that other person being
short-tempered, rude, and gratuitously insulting. That other person also
frequently strayed off-topic in this thread, which the first person did
not do nearly so much, mainly sticking to the core point he was trying
to make about netbeans.
It is useless to try to reason with the twizzle-sticks, as I have come
to call them. At least when it comes to me and/or Paul, they are
apparently incapable of reason, blinded by rage or paranoia or some
such thing. If you disagree with them, you must be me. Or Paul. Or,
somehow, both. If you try to reason with them, they simply call you
names. If you call them on this, they call you even more names.
Sooner or later some psychologist will stumble onto the google
archives of this newsgroup from the past year or two and have a field
day figuring out the strange dynamics that must be motivating the
twizzle-sticks.
The short-tempered, rude, and often gratuitously off-topic one was Arne,
and the on-topic, patient, and at-least-trying-to-be-reasonable one was
decoder ring.
Probably -- at least, your characterization of Arne seems spot-on,
though I haven't read this thread in detail yet (just the bits that
mention me, or mention Paul and seem intended to actually attack me)
and so I can't be sure about secret decoder ring. On the other hand,
given that the thing that most enrages Arne is a calm sticking to
facts and logic coupled with a refusal to back down in the face of
bullying and intimidation, Arne's behavior provides indirect evidence
for secret decoder ring's having behaved roughly as you have
described.
Make of that what you will.
No doubt, they will take it as proof positive that you're me, or Paul,
or some such idiocy.
I have made a couple of other off-topic posts here recently and that's
my quota for December, so I think I'll be sticking with discussing Java
until after Christmas now.
They might force you to break that promise by spreading lies about you
that will require public correction.
P.S.: I think secret decoder ring is right about netbeans, too. A
feature called "check for updates" really *should* say *something* about
it if there's a more recent version of the entire ide out there to be
downloaded.
Thirded.
P.P.S: It's interesting that there seems to be some connexion between
the off-topic parts of this thread and the swt program thread I checked
out recently that turned out to be 100% off-topic and nothing to do with
swt.
That would be because after it started over a year ago, it was swiftly
turned into a flamefest by Arne and company here, and then they
perpetuated it, along with a character who called himself "Bent".
(Picture two people, one calling himself "Bent" and the other
"Twisted", in an argument. If it hadn't actually happened I'd not
credit such a story with much plausibility.)
As a (primarily) eclipse user myself, I thought "great! someone
else uses swt", only to be mightily disappointed.
Threads destroyed by Arne and company can have that effect on you.
What is it anyway, a long-running newsgroup feud as I recall someone
mentioning elsewhere in this thread?
Actually, the explanation is perhaps a bit different, though it was
indeed mentioned elsewhere in this thread. The explanation is that Lew
and Arne are paranoid schizophrenics, which causes them to
periodically lash out at newcomers that they get vague paranoid
feelings about. This, predictably, keeps starting flamewars, and since
their paranoid ideation includes a fixation on me and another on Paul,
our names inevitably get dragged into it, and then I get dragged into
it ...
Really, someone should strap the both of them to gurneys and pump them
full of Thorazine before someone gets physically hurt. I mean, it can
only be a matter of time before one of them strangles someone they
bump into in the street who says something they think is wrong and
they therefore suspect of being me. Or Paul. Or whatever.
I don't suppose there's any chance the various participants
will take it to email or otherwise quit cluttering up the newsgroup with
random globs of fallout from it.
The chances of that are approximately zero, at least until said
Thorazine injections take place.
P.P.P.S: When I list the posts in this group in chronological order
without threading, I see a post by the twisted you mention (it's in the
swt program thread) smack dab in the middle of a bunch of posts by
secret decoder ring (from this thread). Looks like two different people
online simultaneously, to me.
That's because it is.
Indeed, one post by decoder ring has a
time of 23:35:57 on it, the post by twisted a time of 23:36:04 on it.
The post by twisted is quite long. I don't suppose anyone can write a
post that long in seven seconds?
It took me closer to seven minutes.
The worst thing I can say about the post by twisted is that it seems
to be completely random, off-topic, and irrelevant to java.
I suppose that's true, though it seemed warranted in an attempt to
send those two paranoiacs into such gibbering spikes of terror as to
make them act out in such a way as to get them promptly committed to
psychiatric institutions that could treat whatever ails them.
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have worked, probably because the
both of them (finally) have me killfiled.
The post by decoder ring is on the topic of netbeans and actually chastises
guess-who for putting an irrelevant aside into one of *his* posts.
Which, of course, means secret decoder ring is me -- at least, it
means that to a paranoiac like Arne.
(though you said decoder ring is Paul and Paul is twisted, Arne said
twisted is Paul, and decoder ring said Arne is Paul!) and Arne is the
least well-behaved of the three.
Of all of those things, the true one is "Arne is the least well-
behaved of the three". I'm not Paul, I'm pretty sure that Arne's not
Paul, and I've no reason to think that secret decoder ring is anyone
but who he says he is, Kevin Anderson.
I can even take a gander at where they're all located, based on posting
times and IP addresses -- Arne is in rhode island
Ordinarily, place names are capitalized.
Interesting. I thought he was in Europe? His posts have a .dk address
on them and he has a foreign-sounding name with a slashed-O character
and an atrocious grasp of English spelling and grammar, which to me
points to a northern-European locale.
twisted is in ottawa canada
Not quite. I use an HTTP proxy in Ottawa to relay my google groups
posts, so as to make it harder for my enemies to track me down
physically. (They've tried once already.) I'm in Ontario, but I'm a
very long way away from Ottawa...
So, geography rules out Arne being twisted.
I could have told you *that*.
It doesn't say anything about whether any of the other possible
pairs are each other, but it's not especially likely, as the eastern
time zone contains several tens of millions of people all told.
Try telling that to the paranoid schizophrenics ... oh, wait, you just
did. I don't think you'll get anywhere, though.
Nor does it say whether any or none of them are named Paul, though just
about everyone seems to have denied it, so my tentative decision is that
none of them is (and besides, I *know* *I'm* not). Well, we have decoder
ring saying his name is Kevin, me saying my name is Wesley, Arne saying
his name is Arne, Arved saying his name is Arved, and Jerry saying his
name is Jerry and explicitly denying his name is Paul, at any rate, just
in this one thread. (Has twisted said anything about his name?)
Yes, it's Jerry. I have both google groups accounts. Something was
done to the twisted0n3 account (by one of my enemies, I suspect), that
makes it useless to post replies (I just get the "you must sign in to
post" banner when I click reply links, even if I'm already signed in)
but apparently I can still use it to start new threads (strange).
Not that it really matters, since I don't think who's real name is what
is really the least bit relevant around here.
Obviously, but try telling that to the paranoid schizophrenics ...
In fact, I think a whole lot of people have gotten all jumped up,
paranoid with itchy trigger fingers, over a phantom, to be honest,
and probably the lot of you are being [implied insult deleted]
Not by me.
None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.
has probably just been lurking for months or years, watching and
laughing as generation after generation of posters here keep being
suspicious that each other is this dreaded, nefarious Paul Derbyshire
character and getting into arguments because of it!
My own feeling is that Paul is as innocent of wrongdoing as I am. His
last post here indicated that he somewhat resented the misuse and
random appropriation of his name around here, and the only other posts
I was ever able to find by him, save a flaming outburst in late 2007,
were Java-related or otherwise harmless posts, and moreover were many
years old.
P.P.P.P.S: I did the inevitable and searched the group for that name,
and came up with thirteen hits. Eight are from 1997-1998, posted from
ottawa canada, and are on topic save for a bit of microsoft-bashing and
some metastuff about newsgroup problems.
Those would be them.
Then there's a single post a year ago to the swt thread. It's an
off-topic flame and came from arizona, probably either mesa or
phoenix.
Well, I'll be damned. I'd ask how you figured that out, but you've
promised to not make more offtopic posts until January, so ...
I guess I'll poke around at that post's headers, if I can even find
it. Eh. Traces to ph.cox.com, and mountain standard time so it sure
ain't Philadelphia. Phoenix does look plausible. Well done!
Either Paul's moved around, or there's more than one of them.
The most recent showed up a couple of weeks ago, was rather more polite,
told everyone involved in your stupid feud that there was some colossal
misunderstanding and he wanted no part in it, and disappeared. That post's
headers place the author in ottawa canada.
So, probably two Pauls, one in Ottawa and polite about the misuse of
his name here, and one in Phoenix and less polite. I suppose that
makes sense; the surname is uncommon but not outright-rare and anyone
with that name has reason to resent its being used here in borderline-
libelous newsposts. And Canadians are known for being more polite than
Americans. Interesting...
One lives in ottawa, posted a bit back in the nineties,
and came back recently when he found that people had been inexplicably
posting about him to this newsgroup ten years later. The other lives in
arizona.
The Ottawa-based one is apparently the one the paranoid schizophrenics
have fixated upon in their richly-detailed delusional fantasy lives.
I think two people with that name have posted to the
newsgroup, and of all the people "accused" of having that name, the
likeliest is twisted based on geography
Technically correct ("the likeliest based on geography"), but as it
turns out I'm not Paul.
but a wikipedia search tells me that ottawa is a city of three quarters
of a million people, so it's by no means certain.
Impeccable reasoning, but unlikely to sway the paranoid twizzle-sticks
that are reading all this.
The second likeliest is Arved, again based on geography, but I think
there's no point in pursuing the question further, though.
An interesting hypothesis, but Arved's headers point more toward
central than eastern Canada. The date headers indicate mountain
standard time, so Alberta or Saskatchewan are likelier than Ontario.
What does it matter whose name is what? It's not even
like there's only a single person with that name, there were at least
two that posted to this newsgroup, and there are at least *nine* around
the world, albeit at least one of them is dead. Timing, different
internet providers, and the number of ex-brits likely to be in ottawa,
suggests that the 1997-1998 Paul D. and the one that posted here in
november might even be two different people, which would make *three*
people with that name that have posted to this newsgroup.
Logic is wasted on the average paranoid schizophrenic, and I can tell
you from experience that it's wasted on the particular paranoid
schizophrenics that keep disrupting this newsgroup. There is *no way*
you can ever convince them you're not Paul/me/various other people
they think are all a single Borg-like entity. Even to try will only
convince them of the opposite. All you can to is correct anything
wrong and especially anything wrong and malicious that they say about
you in public, for the benefit of non-paranoid readers that might
otherwise be fooled. And even that tends to result in their posting
more, and more explicit, flames and paranoid ravings, which require
more public rebuttals, and so on ad infinitum.
I'm afraid you've got your work cut out for you. They're not only
looney-tunes, but also (especially Arne) exhibit a pit-bull tendency
to sink their teeth in deep when anyone displeases them and then
never, ever let go again.
Or you can cancel your credit cards, bills, Internet access, and other
stuff and either join a monastery somewhere or try to get a new
identity for yourself, unconnected with the name Wesley MacIntosh.
That name will likely be mud once they are through with it, and you
will become the latest in a string of victims that includes also me,
Paul Derbyshire (all nine of them), Harry Yarmouth, and Christ alone
knows how many other people (including any more Wesley MacIntoshes and
Harry Yarmouths that might be out there).
Returning briefly to the issue you raised of "who's the villain",
though, I have to say that I see no indications that decoder ring is
trying to start fights. I think maybe twisted is
No. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me
are at all true.
I am not trying to start a fight. I am trying to finish one that has
gone on way longer than long enough.
and from viewing a sampling of your recent posts it looks like you* and
Arne** are. I know I'm not.
Lars and Arne certainly do try to start fights. But they are to be
forgiven, for they are paranoid schizophrenics and therefore cannot
really help it until they receive the professional care and attention
that has thus far eluded them.
Regardless I will have no further involvement in your pointless feud and
will stick to discussing java after this post.
That choice might not be yours to make, unfortunately. They will hound
you and publicly smear the name Wesley MacIntosh, and you will have to
choose between keeping your promise above and watching them destroy
your good name until you can no longer find work, get laid, or much of
anything else, or breaking that promise and speaking up in your own
defense when they lie about you.
Well, unless again you quit your whole life and start over with a new
name, which is probably difficult and expensive, or retreat to a
monastery or something.
