Newbie! Never ending Webpage!

[brucie]

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Hi,
g'day

I'm a complete novice,
ooOOOOOooooo

bear with me.

http://www.craven-birds.co.uk/

dropdowns for navigation are not user friendly especially when JS is
required so they work.

<marquee>s are not user friendly.

use position:fixed; on your nav menu if you want it to stay in place
while the rest scrolls. not supported by old crappy IE but there is a
work around for morons that still use it.

position:fixed fixed for IE/win
http://devnull.tagsoup.com/fixed/

JS is not nor should it be required for email addresses:
<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>

 

[Mark Parnell]

Obviously the OP had fixed it before I got up this morning

Ah, the benefits of owning the company! <mutter to="self">

 

[Nico Schuyt]

Nico Schuyt wrote

This one exhibits the same problem the OP has, that of an infinitely
long page.
Resize your canvas so the menu flows out the bottom and scroll down...

I see. Thanks

 

[rf]

I see. Thanks

Cheers.

Also I finally remembered what is wrong with
http://www.stunicholls.myby.co.uk/layouts/fixed.html (It's been several
months since I looked at this).

When your canvas is narrow and a horizontal scroll bar appears (for the
document) the vertical scroll bar (on the body) slides out the right of the
canvas. Not a major problem[*] but slightly disconcerting.

BTW that "static" element can be positioned anywhere on the canvas, even on
the bottom. Good for things like my contact details. If you don't want the
static text mingled in with the other text on the page (as it is now) simply
give the static element a background colour, and lose the background image.
It's possible to almost exactly duplicate a framed page.

[*] far less a problem than using frames to achieve this effect IMHO.

 

[Craven Birds]

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dropdowns for navigation are not user friendly especially when JS is
required so they work.

<marquee>s are not user friendly.

use position:fixed; on your nav menu if you want it to stay in place
while the rest scrolls. not supported by old crappy IE but there is a
work around for morons that still use it.

position:fixed fixed for IE/win
http://devnull.tagsoup.com/fixed/

JS is not nor should it be required for email addresses:
<a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>

Cheers, thanks for your advise, I'll fix the points you've made.
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Regards,
Chris,

Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks.
http://www.craven-birds.co.uk/
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by the Norton auto-updated
anti-virus system.

 

[Ash]

Hi,

I'm a complete novice, bear with me.

I have a problem with my personal WebPages. You can scroll for ever more
down the page :-(

Is there any code that I can use either in the HTMl document or CSS to stop
this going beyond the info on the page?

http://www.craven-birds.co.uk/

TIA

Your problem isn't the floating menu, it's the (scroll up || scroll
down) links on the bottom right. Take them off, people know how to use a
scroll bar, you know.

 

[Craven Birds]

Your problem isn't the floating menu, it's the (scroll up || scroll
down) links on the bottom right. Take them off, people know how to use a
scroll bar, you know.

I've tried that! And it's not that. But, I'll take 'em of any way ;-)
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Regards,
Chris,

Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks.
http://www.craven-birds.co.uk/
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by the Norton auto-updated
anti-virus system.

 

[Kris]

dropdowns for navigation are not user friendly especially when JS is
required so they work.

Add to that the fact that SE spiders do not follow URIs in forms. It is
both an accessibility as a usability hazard.

 

[Kris]

Somebody seems to take things personally :/

And you seem to be shocked about it; it is adorable.

 

[Sam Hughes]

All newbies get "flamed" on this newsgroup; why should you be any
different?

But... he wasn't flamed.

[... snip]

And, while you're looking at things, take a look at:

http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/

for a short course on good webpage design (which, by the way, has
nothing to do with fancy coding and tricky javascript, and everything
to do with presentation and readability).

But his site's presentation and readability is excellent.

 

[Arondelle]

But... he wasn't flamed.

Look at the quotes around the word "flamed", Dahling. This usually
denoted sarcasm. The flames were in the eye of the OP, not mine.
Anyway, if he thinks he was flamed, he hasn't been on the usenet very
long, has he?

But his site's presentation and readability is excellent.

Except for the floaty menu and the silly scroll thingies and the
scrolling text, which are all kewl, but add nothing to the information
presented.

No one ever suffers by having a look at what's bad in webpage design in
order to discover ways to make their own designs better.

Arondelle

 

[Nico Schuyt]

Nico Schuyt wrote

Also I finally remembered what is wrong with
http://www.stunicholls.myby.co.uk/layouts/fixed.html (It's been
several months since I looked at this).
When your canvas is narrow and a horizontal scroll bar appears (for
the document) the vertical scroll bar (on the body) slides out the
right of the canvas. Not a major problem[*] but slightly
disconcerting.
BTW that "static" element can be positioned anywhere on the canvas,
even on the bottom. Good for things like my contact details. If you
don't want the static text mingled in with the other text on the page
(as it is now) simply give the static element a background colour,
and lose the background image. It's possible to almost exactly
duplicate a framed page.

[*] far less a problem than using frames to achieve this effect IMHO.

Thanks for the information Richard!

 

[Deryck]

And the following is a minor snipe:
I don't like your icons that brag about your valid HTML and CSS.
While it's nice to have valid HTML and CSS, bragging about it or
trying to get others to use it is akin to a newspaper having little
notices on its front page bragging about its perfect grammar and
that the reader should write with perfect grammar all the time, too.
Remember that 99.9 +/- 80 percent of your visitors are NOT going to
be interested in the code behind your page, and that directing them
to this HTML Validation service isn't going to give them anything
they want or need.

Given that the W3C HTML validator actually chucks up 33 errors the inclusion
of one these icons is in any case, premature.

The left-hand side moving menu is certainly superfluous and over complex
however if you scroll up and down quickly
you can get the amusing effect of the menu appearing to "bounce" off the
bottom of the browser like a rubber ball. Well,
amusing for a few seconds anyway.


Deryck

 

[Sam Hughes]

And the following is a minor snipe:
I don't like your icons that brag about your valid HTML and CSS.
[...]

Given that the W3C HTML validator actually chucks up 33 errors the
inclusion of one these icons is in any case, premature.

When I checked, it validated just fine. Of course, the file has changed,
and now there exists a bordercolor attribute, a dearth of alt attributes,
and nonescaped ampersands (in case the other poster is listening).

 

[Craven Birds]

Given that the W3C HTML validator actually chucks up 33 errors the inclusion
of one these icons is in any case, premature.

Does it! Tut Tut :-0 Tha' must a sin it when a were buggering about :-0

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Regards,
Chris,

Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks.
http://www.craven-birds.co.uk/
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by the Norton auto-updated
anti-virus system.

 

[Craven Birds]

And the following is a minor snipe:
I don't like your icons that brag about your valid HTML and CSS.
[...]

Given that the W3C HTML validator actually chucks up 33 errors the
inclusion of one these icons is in any case, premature.

When I checked, it validated just fine. Of course, the file has changed,
and now there exists a bordercolor attribute, a dearth of alt attributes,
and nonescaped ampersands (in case the other poster is listening).

Yay:-0 No problem!

I give up! As long as the local birding fraternity can follow the pages, who
gives a *** about technicalities? Not me.
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Regards,
Chris,

Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks.
http://www.craven-birds.co.uk/
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by the Norton auto-updated
anti-virus system.

 

[Craven Birds]

The client area of the browsers window. The bit your page gets displayed on.
If the bottom of the menu is below that I can't click on it. See the
screenshots below.

Sorry but the standard excuse is invaribly: "it works on my computer"

Well, here is how it looks on mine:

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rf/craven.ie.jpg
http://users.bigpond.net.au/rf/craven.mozilla.jpg


I see no flaming hapenning here

I see some comments being passed on a web page. Most of them are valid
comments. Sometimes presented a little harshly but still valid.

We have seen just about everything here. One of the things that is
invariably bad is stuff moving around all over the place (including
marquees). Also, invariably, when that is stopped the site becomes better
for it.

I also see no personal insult. All comments are directed straight at the web
site. Sit back, get a cup of tea, and read the thread again. Most of are
here to help. There is no "fun" in flaming a newbie. There is fun in causing
a page to be fixed so it works better.

Apologies, So therefore go back to basics and redesign? Omitting menus that
move down the page et al!

Oh dear, other long nights ahead! I think' I'll try gaming;-)

At least, I'll get a grasp of HTML, CSS etc, eventually if I do redesign.
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Regards,
Chris,

Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks.
http://www.craven-birds.co.uk/
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by the Norton auto-updated
anti-virus system.

 

[rf]

Craven Birds

So therefore go back to basics and redesign? Omitting menus that
move down the page et al!

Why not use that solution Nico gave you? The one that simulates position:
fixed.

It is not the fact that the menu is "fixed" in position but that it moves
there. If it did not move it would be OK.

 

[Craven Birds]

Craven Birds


Why not use that solution Nico gave you? The one that simulates position:
fixed.

It is not the fact that the menu is "fixed" in position but that it moves
there. If it did not move it would be OK.

Oops! Missed it, I'll give it a shot.
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Regards,
Chris,

Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks.
http://www.craven-birds.co.uk/
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by the Norton auto-updated
anti-virus system.

 

[Craven Birds]

Craven Birds


Why not use that solution Nico gave you? The one that simulates position:
fixed.

Oh dear! Had a look and it's perfect for my needs.

Cheers
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Regards,
Chris,

Bird sightings based around 'Craven' Skipton, North Yorks.
http://www.craven-birds.co.uk/
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by the Norton auto-updated
anti-virus system.