Non-Newbie: How to achieve "valid" frames?

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enickma

If you actually *read* the document you referenced, you'll see that there
is a "frameborder" attribute for FRAME elements, but not for FRAMESET
elements.

Yeah, I realized that after I posted - still, doesn't answer my question...

Nevermind though, my question was answered by someone at another newsgroup
from another post.

Thanks for everyone's uh... help.
 
N

Neal

One of the other members
of the band thinks it looks more "professional".

Hmm. It's less important to "look" professional than it is to "be"
professional.

Look at most of the successful sites. No fixed navigation. Show him, flip
him off, and do it sensibly.
 
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rf

enickma wrote
As I stated in my original post, it wasn't my idea. One of the other members
of the band thinks it looks more "professional". I'm getting sick of people
telling ME what looks professional in a web site and what doesn't lol

Three points to consider:

1) Netscape.

Are they "professional" enough? They sure made a lot of money.

Well, many years ago they invented frames. They carefully re-wrote their
site using frames.

Guess what?

Six months later they completely re-wrote their site *without* using frames
and they have never used frames since.

2) The telephone test.

Ring up your girlfriend and tell her where this really neat new album cover
is.

<frames>
Go to band.example.com. Look for the "songs" link. Ok, press that. Now look
for the "new song" links. You don't see it? Well, go back and make sure you
pressed the "songs" link and not the "songs archive" link. Got it now? OK,
press the "new song" link. Got it yet? See the "cover" link? You haven't got
a cover link? Oh well, it's a nice cover anyway :-(
</frames>

<noframes>
Have a look at to band.example.com/songs/newsong/cover.html. Nice isn't it
:)
</noframes>

This is even worse in a usenet post. The former directions still hold. The
latter link may be simply clicked on.

3) Usenet.

You will get all sorts of expert help in the usenet groups on building a
good web site..

However if you use frames the most you can expect is more of what has
already got up your nose :)
We, the people here to help you, do not use frames.
 
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Toby Inkster

Starshine said:
I thought I was just reading it wrong. Why can you do it for one frame
but not all the frames?

You *can* set it for all the frames:

<frameset>
<frame frameborder="0">
<frame frameborder="0">
<frame frameborder="0">
<frame frameborder="0">
</frameset>
 
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Toby Inkster

Mark said:
How many "professional" sites can he show you that use frames?

Microsoft use frames for some parts of their support site, IIRC. Most
supermarkets use frames for online shopping.
 
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Starshine Moonbeam

Toby said:
You *can* set it for all the frames:

<frameset>
<frame frameborder="0">
<frame frameborder="0">
<frame frameborder="0">
<frame frameborder="0">
</frameset>

Hmmm, I didn't phrase the question right. My question should have been
why change the border for one frame if you couldn't do it for all the
frames.

But you can (border="0") so the question's moot.
 
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Travis Newbury

Hmm. It's less important to "look" professional than it is to "be"
professional.

Many (for what ever reason) "looking" professional, is more important
than "being" professional. Some people have a preconceived notion of
what a "professional" site consists of. Even the experts here can not
agree on what a professional" site is.
 

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