Object ID embed and validation??

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Roy Schestowitz

Christopher said:
Is it possible to correctly validate an xhtml page with the object ID and
embed necessary to implant a windows media player in an html page?
Here is the code suggested by http://www.streamalot.com/embed.shtml. This
validator http://validator.w3.org/file-upload.html doesn't like it at all.
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<!-- BEGIN GENERIC ALL BROWSER FRIENDLY HTML FOR WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER -->

<object id="MediaPlayer1" width=180 height=200
classid="CLSID:22D6F312-B0F6-11D0-94AB-0080C74C7E95"

codebase="http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2inf.cab#Version=5,1,52,701"
standby="Loading Microsoft® Windows® Media Player components..."
type="application/x-oleobject" align="middle">
<param name="FileName" value="Server/file">
<param name="ShowStatusBar" value="True">
<param name="DefaultFrame" value="mainFrame">
<embed type="application/x-mplayer2"
pluginspage = "http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/"
src="Server/File" align="middle"
width=176
height=144
defaultframe="rightFrame"
showstatusbar=true>
</embed>
</object> <!-- END GENERIC ALL BROWSER FRIENDLY HTML FOR WINDOWS MEDIA
PLAYER --><br>
<a href="Server/file"><font size="2">Click
here for standalone player</font></a><br>

<a
href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/default.asp"><font
size="1">Download Windows Media Player Here</font></a></p>
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Without trying the validation, I can already spot some tags that do not
close, e.g. replace <br> with <br />.

The code above was probably intended for HTML, not XHTML.

Roy
 
J

Jim Roberts

Is it possible to correctly validate an xhtml page with the object ID
and embed necessary to implant a windows media player in an html page?
Here is the code suggested by http://www.streamalot.com/embed.shtml.
This validator http://validator.w3.org/file-upload.html doesn't like
it at all.
Click to expand...

Some of the attributes, such as "align" and "pluginspage" aren't valid
attributes. About the best I could do using xhtml is the following:

<p><object id="mediaplayer1" width="180" height="200"
classid="CLSID:22D6F312-B0F6-11D0-94AB-0080C74C7E95"
codebase="http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2
inf.cab#Version=5,1,52,701"
standby="Loading Microsoft Windows Media Player components..."
type="application/x-oleobject" >
<param name="FileName" value="Server/file" />
<param name="ShowStatusBar" value="true" />
<param name="DefaultFrame" value="mainFrame" />
<!-- For other browsers * Windows Media Player -->
<!--[if !IE]> <-->
<object width="180" height="200" type="application/x-mplayer2">
<param name="FileName" value="Server/file" />
<param name="ShowStatusBar" value="true" />
<param name="DefaultFrame" value="mainFrame" />
</object>
<!--> <![endif]-->
</object></p>

It works for IE and Gecko based browsers and does validate as xhtml
strict. Not sure about others, but I don't think Opera supports the
object element. There's probably a better method. You
might consider using an html doctype.
 
T

Toby Inkster

Christopher said:
Is it possible to correctly validate an xhtml page with the object ID and
embed necessary to implant a windows media player in an html page?
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What's wrong with:

<object data="myfilm.avi" height="120" width="180" type="video/x-msvideo">
<p>Your browser doesn't appear to support emebedded AVI video files, so
please download <a href="myfilm.avi">my film</a> and view it in your
favourite media player.</p>
<p>Here is a still image from the film to whet your appetite:<br/>
<img src="mystill.png" style="height:120px;width:180px"/></p>
</object>

???
 
L

Leif K-Brooks

Toby said:
What's wrong with:

<object data="myfilm.avi" height="120" width="180" type="video/x-msvideo">
<p>Your browser doesn't appear to support emebedded AVI video files, so
please download <a href="myfilm.avi">my film</a> and view it in your
favourite media player.</p>
<p>Here is a still image from the film to whet your appetite:<br/>
<img src="mystill.png" style="height:120px;width:180px"/></p>
</object>
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Missing alt attribute? Using CSS for specifying an image's height and
width instead of the HTML height and width attributes?
 
C

Christopher Richards

Toby Inkster said:
What's wrong with:

<object data="myfilm.avi" height="120" width="180" type="video/x-msvideo">
<p>Your browser doesn't appear to support emebedded AVI video files, so
please download <a href="myfilm.avi">my film</a> and view it in your
favourite media player.</p>
<p>Here is a still image from the film to whet your appetite:<br/>
<img src="mystill.png" style="height:120px;width:180px"/></p>
</object>
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Thanks for the response Toby. First, I wouldn't try streaming an AVI or
downloading video. AVI is just no good for the web. It is great format for
editing but not final web output. I wouldn't want the user to take any
action apart from clicking and viewing. The other problem, as I see it, that
Mozilla/Netscape needs that embed tag.
 
S

Steve Pugh

Christopher Richards said:
Thanks for the response Toby. First, I wouldn't try streaming an AVI or
downloading video. AVI is just no good for the web. It is great format for
editing but not final web output. I wouldn't want the user to take any
action apart from clicking and viewing.
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Then use another format, the above technique will work with other
formats.
The other problem, as I see it, that
Mozilla/Netscape needs that embed tag.
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Netscape 4 does, but Mozilla/Netscape 6+ certainly do not. You
probably once tried the MS mangled version of <object> rather than the
standards compliant version used above.

Steve
 
T

Toby Inkster

Leif said:
Missing alt attribute?
Correct.

Using CSS for specifying an image's height and width instead of the
HTML height and width attributes?
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Presentational crap best handled by CSS.
 
S

Spartanicus

First, I wouldn't try streaming an AVI or
downloading video. AVI is just no good for the web. It is great format for
editing but not final web output.
Click to expand...

AVI is a "wrapper" format, as such it can contain any known compression
format. You may be thinking of uncompressed AVI.
 
L

Leif K-Brooks

Toby said:
Presentational crap best handled by CSS.
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Unless you're trying to resize the image with HTML -- and that's a bad
idea anyway -- the width and height attributes aren't presentational.
They're specifying intrinsic data about the image's content, just like
the src attribute does.
 
C

Christopher Richards

Jim Roberts said:
Is it possible to correctly validate an xhtml page with the object ID
and embed necessary to implant a windows media player in an html page?
Here is the code suggested by http://www.streamalot.com/embed.shtml.
This validator http://validator.w3.org/file-upload.html doesn't like
it at all.
Click to expand...

Some of the attributes, such as "align" and "pluginspage" aren't valid
attributes. About the best I could do using xhtml is the following:

<p><object id="mediaplayer1" width="180" height="200"
classid="CLSID:22D6F312-B0F6-11D0-94AB-0080C74C7E95"
codebase="http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2
inf.cab#Version=5,1,52,701"
standby="Loading Microsoft Windows Media Player components..."
type="application/x-oleobject" >
<param name="FileName" value="Server/file" />
<param name="ShowStatusBar" value="true" />
<param name="DefaultFrame" value="mainFrame" />
<!-- For other browsers * Windows Media Player -->
<!--[if !IE]> <-->
<object width="180" height="200" type="application/x-mplayer2">
<param name="FileName" value="Server/file" />
<param name="ShowStatusBar" value="true" />
<param name="DefaultFrame" value="mainFrame" />
</object>
<!--> <![endif]-->
</object></p>

It works for IE and Gecko based browsers and does validate as xhtml
strict. Not sure about others, but I don't think Opera supports the
object element. There's probably a better method. You
might consider using an html doctype.
Click to expand...
Jim, I'd like to follow up on your suggestion of using an html doctype. Do
you have a link to where I can read more?
 
J

Jim Roberts

Jim, I'd like to follow up on your suggestion of using an html
doctype. Do you have a link to where I can read more?
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It seems I misspoke. Apparently, the embed element is not valid with any
document type.
Note: The <embed> element is supported by both Internet Explorer and
Netscape, but it is not a standard HTML or XHTML element.
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) recommend using the <object>
element instead.
http://www.w3schools.com/media/media_browservideos.asp
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If you want your code to validate, you won't be able to use <embed>.
 
L

Leif K-Brooks

Toby said:
Leif K-Brooks wrote:

[The width and height attributes of an image] specifying intrinsic
data about the image's content, just like the src attribute does.
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What about with vector graphics?
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It's a tough question, but I would lean towards calling size
specifications content even with vector. Most vector formats specify a
default size, just like raster graphics do; the HTML document is just
saying that "the vector graphic I'm referring to here has size X and
height Y; I'm simply duplicating that same information here for
efficiency's sake." It's kind of similar to how <a href="sample.css">a
stylesheet that makes things red</a> is content, even though it talks
about the presentation of another document.
 

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