ok so spacers are old hat..

[Neredbojias]

With neither quill nor qualm, |-|erc quothed:

: > he said height, not <tr height>. and if you claim height is deprecated cite something,
: > because I've never heard such a total figment of anyones imagination like yours. maybe its a tumor?
:
: *Height is deprecated.*
:
: "Twinkle, twinkle, little star.
: How I wonder where you are.
: Only deprecated high,
: So you'll fall down by-the-by."
:

No its not, w3 are clearly twisting the meaining of deprecated.
It will never be obselete and w3 does not actually state it will become obselete.

Hey, I don't think the w3c is always rational, either. But what's so
traumatic about using css instead of html? It seems to me that css is
more versatile if a little clunky, and it does more as far as stylizing
goes.

Anyway, you said:

....and that is correct. The movement is one to standardize markup for
all browsers and most everybody is behind it.

 

[|-|erc]

: |-|erc wrote:
:
: > : hi,
: > : Seeing as everyone here poured scorn on my use of a transparant spacer
: > : image, what would you guys sugest i use instead?
: > : The only way I can think of is to put them each in a <div> and position them
: > : on the page.
: > : Maybe styling a <p> tag or something?
: > : Situation: I'm trying to seperate two different
: > : tables in a cloumn vertically.
: >
: > <tr height=50>
: <snip>

: height attribute is deprecated,

stop giving phony advice.

Herc

 

[|-|erc]

: |-|erc wrote:
:
: > : height attribute is deprecated,
:
: > stop giving phony advice.
:
: That wasn't advice, it was a statement[1]. The advice "don't use the height
: attribute" could be implied from it, but wasn't actually stated.
:
: "Don't use the height attribute" is, however, good advice in this instance,
: and is certainly not phony (unlike your name ("Pipe dash pipe erc"!) and
: email address).
:
:
: [1] Not actually a correct one as it happens, HTML didn't have a height
: attribute for <tr> elements in the first place, so such an attribute
: couldn't be deprecated.

he said height, not <tr height>. and if you claim height is deprecated cite something,
because I've never heard such a total figment of anyones imagination like yours. maybe its a tumor?

Herc

 

[Matt Probert]

Hey, I don't think the w3c is always rational, either. But what's so
traumatic about using css instead of html? It seems to me that css is
more versatile if a little clunky, and it does more as far as stylizing
goes.

CSS instead of HTML ? You mean separate CSS styles rather than
embedding the styles inline into the HTML, surely?

Matt

 

[Neredbojias]

With neither quill nor qualm, Matt Probert quothed:

CSS instead of HTML ? You mean separate CSS styles rather than
embedding the styles inline into the HTML, surely?

Of course. I thought it was, uh, obvious.

 

[|-|erc]

|-|erc wrote:
:
: > : |-|erc wrote:
: > :
: > : > : height attribute is deprecated,
: > :
: > : > stop giving phony advice.
: > :
: > : That wasn't advice, it was a statement[1]. The advice "don't use the height
: > : attribute" could be implied from it, but wasn't actually stated.
: > :
: > : "Don't use the height attribute" is, however, good advice in this instance,
: > : and is certainly not phony (unlike your name ("Pipe dash pipe erc"!) and
: > : email address).
: > :
: > :
: > : [1] Not actually a correct one as it happens, HTML didn't have a height
: > : attribute for <tr> elements in the first place, so such an attribute
: > : couldn't be deprecated.
: >
: > he said height, not <tr height>. and if you claim height is deprecated cite something,
: > because I've never heard such a total figment of anyones imagination like yours. maybe its a tumor?
:
: Pardon but no, you Herc said '<tr height=50>'
:
: http://www.message-id.net/[email protected]
:
: I misread your TR as TH (Table Heading) which like TD (Table Data) use
: to allow a height attribute, but is now deprecated in HTML 4.01
:
: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/tables.html#edef-TD
:
: Ready for a MRI now are we? ;-)

Read the top word on the page, "recommendation".

It will never be deprecated because that would change the simplistic unilateral markup capabilities,
i.e. a single file single syntax. The computers will be spitting out their own HTML soon they don't want
to seperate content from layout, styles are redundant. There's one man who decides if he will make
all browsers suddenly stop working on 95% of sites, that's Bill Gates and $200,000,000 says he
won't abide with your decision.

Herc

 

[|-|erc]

Here's your problem

w3
Deprecated
A deprecated element or attribute is one that has been outdated by newer constructs. Deprecated elements are defined in the
reference manual in appropriate locations, but are clearly marked as deprecated. Deprecated elements may become obsolete in future
versions of HTML.

Answers
deprecate
To make invalid or obsolete by removing or flagging the item. When commands or statements in a language are planned for deletion in
future releases of the compiler or rendering engine, they are said to be deprecated. Programmers should begin to remove them from
the source code in subsequent revisions of their programs


Any HTML that a class can achieve is by definition redundant, so by definition it MAY become obselete
(as its function is doubled up)

So because w3 want attention, they call 'redundant' 'deprecated' as if they control HTML, but their definition
of deprecated is weak, all they say is it MAY become obsolete, meaning its redundant. The real meaning
is it WILL become obselete.

So all you nitwits are reading about redundant code going..... its deprecated!

Of course, considering style sheets are just a secondary system, redundancy is fine and so are the original HTML tags.

style="margins:0" is also redundant, but its not deprecated simply because its the new way to do it.
"been outdated by newer constructs"

Herc

 

[|-|erc]

: With neither quill nor qualm, |-|erc quothed:
:
: > : |-|erc wrote:
: > :
: > : > : height attribute is deprecated,
: > :
: > : > stop giving phony advice.
: > :
: > : That wasn't advice, it was a statement[1]. The advice "don't use the height
: > : attribute" could be implied from it, but wasn't actually stated.
: > :
: > : "Don't use the height attribute" is, however, good advice in this instance,
: > : and is certainly not phony (unlike your name ("Pipe dash pipe erc"!) and
: > : email address).
: > :
: > :
: > : [1] Not actually a correct one as it happens, HTML didn't have a height
: > : attribute for <tr> elements in the first place, so such an attribute
: > : couldn't be deprecated.
: >
: > he said height, not <tr height>. and if you claim height is deprecated cite something,
: > because I've never heard such a total figment of anyones imagination like yours. maybe its a tumor?
:
: *Height is deprecated.*
:
: "Twinkle, twinkle, little star.
: How I wonder where you are.
: Only deprecated high,
: So you'll fall down by-the-by."
:

No its not, w3 are clearly twisting the meaining of deprecated.
It will never be obselete and w3 does not actually state it will become obselete.

Herc

 

[William Tasso]

Writing in news:alt.html,alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the Read Free News cafeteria

...
In US and UK and Aus we all speak English, but in Europe

viva la difference.

 

[|-|erc]

:
: Yeah, oooooookay... <backs away slowly for he may be accompanied by
: rabbit monkeys armed with nuclear bananas>
:

What I meant to say was, just because its redundant doesn't mean its going to be obselete, (deprecated).
w3 are calling everything redundant deprecated.

Are you all involved in some movement to change HTML or something, forcing people to use style sheets?
Getting more programming work perhaps?

Herc

 

[|-|erc]

: |-|erc wrote:
: > :
: > : Yeah, oooooookay... <backs away slowly for he may be accompanied by
: > : rabbit monkeys armed with nuclear bananas>
: > :
: >
: > What I meant to say was, just because its redundant doesn't mean its going to be obselete, (deprecated).
: > w3 are calling everything redundant deprecated.
: >
: > Are you all involved in some movement to change HTML or something, forcing people to use style sheets?
: > Getting more programming work perhaps?
: >
: > Herc
: >
: >
: >
:
: Actually when you start exploring CSS you will being to appreciate how
: separating the style from content can save a lot of work and code.
: Getting a website full of 'bgcolor', 'align' and 'font' and 'table's and
: the client says 'I wish it were green with...' Changing 1 stylesheet vs
: all those pages...
:
:
: Take a gander at:
:
: http://www.mezzoblue.com/zengarden/alldesigns/
:
: Oh and BTW that was supposed to be *rabid*, way too late last night!
:

Yeah, and say I've got 2 scripts and 1 skin to get running on the one site, then I've got about 5 or 10
style sheets to go through and it takes HOURS to find how to format one tag. And each style sheet has
about 500 styles on it to show a bit of text and pictures on the page!! And you can't remove <table>
anyway it might be flexible with a company webpage layout and selling a few goods and writing
a few blogs, but full blown DATABASES are starting to emerge in PHP with TABLES of ROWS and
COLUMS. In US and UK and Aus we all speak English, but in Europe everyone speaks 2 or 3 languages,
nobody is trying to demand a unique language for everyone. The browsers handle the dual system fine,
add to that you have 20 billion pages to recode before it works. Why destroy something as elegant as HTML?
Because it puts you in the know as far as I can see.

Herc