superpollo said:
Tom St Denis ha scritto:
but i have direct experience of differences between italian and chinese
students, and i can assure you such differences are appalling wrt to
laziness... but after a few months in italy chinese too get bad attitudes.
errm...
I think the idea is that the Chinese outwork pretty much everyone...
I think this is also generally true with Japanese and Koreans as well.
basically, I think it is mostly due to strong social pressure, stressing
both conformance to social ideals (being acceptable, financial success, ...)
as well as a generally competitive mindset (people generally trying to "be
the best" among their peers, as much social respect is due to those with
higher grades, ...).
outside of this world, people may not be "shamed" so much for short-falls,
and may also find that respect/disrespect is not due to things like grades,
and as a result, may become more lax on these fronts.
more so, it likely doesn't help much that many western employers demand lots
of fancy-sounding education, but not a whole lot of skills, so it is a lot
more of a "try to get through all this education to get some big-name degree
to get a well-paid job doing relatively little..." (in contrast to "working
really hard and going nowhere").
hence, there is a lot more incentive to lie and cheat to get a better
education (or, at least, better-sounding education). everyone wanting to be
the "middle manager doing little more than sitting at a desk and/or golfing,
while getting lots of money for doing so...", rather than the person "stuck
doing all the work".
granted, the US-style corporate/industrial is a little flawed, as well as
the education system, and culture in general, but oh well... one can't
change one without effecting the others, and in most cases, likely any
attempt at change would be met with resistance trying to force things as to
how they were before...
however, in Asia, the social pressure does come at a cost:
psychological burn-out is a lot higher in those countries.
many perform well, many others become "hikikomori"...
but, yeah, laziness is fairly common in western countries in general.
at first, I would have figured it was mostly an "American" thing, but it is
generally the case elsewhere as well.
yep.