opinons wanted on menu

[dorayme]

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When I disable JS in FireFox 3, the menu rollovers stop working. I've
tested this and verified it twice.

Not my experience on FF3. Are we talking the URL above? The one in which
it specifically claims:

[!-- *Note: This script is required for scripted add on support and IE 6
sub menu functionality.
*Note: This menu will fully function in all CSS2 browsers with the
script removed.--].

How many times should I *not* see what you see before my experience
trumps yours? <g>

 

[Sherm Pendley]

When I disable JS in FireFox 3, the menu rollovers stop working. I've
tested this and verified it twice.

Not my experience on FF3. Are we talking the URL above?[/QUOTE]

Yes. On testing yet again, I think I see why you're getting different
results. When I go to the page with JS enabled, the rollovers
work. Then I disable JS *without reloading the page*, and they stop
working. This is true of all the browsers I tried - FF3, Safari 3, and
IE7.

But you're right too - if I do it the other way around, and (re)load
the page after disabling JS, the rollovers do work. I suspect a buggy
onload event handler alters the page in a way that makes it reliant on
JS from then on.

How many times should I *not* see what you see before my experience
trumps yours? <g>

I believe *you* - it's richard I have doubts about. It's hard to take
seriously someone who insists that black is white and up is down.

sherm--

 

[dorayme]

it's richard I have doubts about. It's hard to take
seriously someone who insists that black is white and up is down.

Richard is quite an interesting case actually, he has this ... what can
we call it ... gift? Of being a sort of catalyst for discussions which
are not entirely without merit. He gets to be able to do this by not
being personally wounding to folks in spite of some provocation. Unlike
me, say...

There are truck drivers and truck drivers you see.

Of his occasional interlocutors, Andy Dingley is my favourite, he
combines sharp wit with no attempt to hide contempt. My God, this is an
excellent group.

<g>

 

[Blinky the Shark]

I believe *you* - it's richard I have doubts about. It's hard to take
seriously someone who insists that black is white and up is down.

Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with
Eurasia.

 

[Nik Coughlin]

Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with
Eurasia.

Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania has always been at war with
Eastasia.

 

[richard]

Richard is quite an interesting case actually, he has this ... what can
we call it ... gift? Of being a sort of catalyst for discussions which
are not entirely without merit. He gets to be able to do this by not
being personally wounding to folks in spite of some provocation. Unlike
me, say...

There are truck drivers and truck drivers you see.

Of his occasional interlocutors, Andy Dingley is my favourite, he
combines sharp wit with no attempt to hide contempt. My God, this is an
excellent group.

<g>

awwwwwwww geeeee. <blush>
Actually, you haven't seen my dark side.
I have been known to cut throats where it's been needed.
I just don't see the point of brow beating someone just because they
don't understand a few things. Like certain ones in this group
blasting and chewing out for someone simply not posting a URL.
Or they get irked and disturbed when you give them an honest opinion
on their site and they don't like your opinion.

 

[Sherm Pendley]

Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania has always been at war with
Eastasia.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

sherm--

 

[Nik Coughlin]

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Thoughtcrime is death.

 

[Neredbojias]

Thoughtcrime is death.

BB is watching YOU.

 

[Roy A.]

Funny thing to say (apart from the grammar) when you have no context yet
for where such a menu might be?

No, I don't have any context. It's just based on general observations
and bad experience.

Perhaps you are jumping to conclusions? Perhaps the issue of a dropdown
menu and where it goes (whether just once on one page or repeated on
other pages without variation) is another question.

These menu tends to be repeated on every page without variation. In
such cases, I think the hole ting is a bad idea. They don't give you
any visual clue about where you are or where you can go. They're just
showing the top links. And, in that case, they aren't user friendly
either. First you have to look up in the menu to find out where you
are, before you can navigate to related areas.

But as richard said, this top level menu is only a demo. If the
intended users can handle it, I don't see why you shouldn't use it. It
works on small screen devices and for people with different
disabilities.

I don't like top level menus on every page, at least when they can't
be expanded. So, to me, it depends on how you implement it.

Why mention the worst case possibility - an author intending it as "the"
site map - as an argument against the coolness of the whole idea of any
dropdown?

General observations and bad experience. If there are more than one
option, some people are always going for the last resort.

 

[dorayme]

These menu tends to be repeated on every page without variation. In
such cases, I think the hole ting is a bad idea.

It is preferable to separate out issues rather then tar one complicated
issue with one brush based on poor use of this technology. What they
tend to be and what they can be are two very different things. I am not
disagreeing with you about what they often are, just about what they can
be and how they can be used. And in particular how they are not
necessarilly to be relied on as far as their sub menus to do jobs that
are best done in other ways. For example, they have nothing necessarily
to do with telling a person where they are, rather more to where they
might go.

I think this is just a case of the difference in attitude between Phil
(All or Nothing, Mike Leigh film) and Poppy (Happy Go Lucky, Mike Leigh
again)