[OT] ISO 9000/9001 certification

Discussion in 'Java' started by Joona I Palaste, Feb 9, 2005.

  1. Our company produces Java software specialised for customers. Recently
    our project manager has recommended that our company should be ISO
    9000/9001 certified. No one in our company yet knows what this actually
    entails.
    Could anyone provide a brief summary of what being ISO 9000/9001
    certified actually means and what it takes to become certified? Our
    company is small, employing 12 people, of which 9 are programmers. We
    have been in existence since 1989. We have no products of our own to
    speak of, but do customer projects instead.
    Another way would be to have the company audited by an external body. A
    search from ISO's own website found three auditors in Finland. How much
    does external auditing usually cost and how long does it take?
    Thanks in advance for any help!

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    "A friend of mine is into Voodoo Acupuncture. You don't have to go into her
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    - Stephen Wright
     
    Joona I Palaste, Feb 9, 2005
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  2. Joona I Palaste

    Dotty Guest

    "Joona I Palaste" <> wrote in message
    news:cudqco$eoi$...
    > Our company produces Java software specialised for customers. Recently
    > our project manager has recommended that our company should be ISO
    > 9000/9001 certified. No one in our company yet knows what this actually
    > entails.
    > Could anyone provide a brief summary of what being ISO 9000/9001
    > certified actually means and what it takes to become certified? Our
    > company is small, employing 12 people, of which 9 are programmers. We
    > have been in existence since 1989. We have no products of our own to
    > speak of, but do customer projects instead.
    > Another way would be to have the company audited by an external body. A
    > search from ISO's own website found three auditors in Finland. How much
    > does external auditing usually cost and how long does it take?
    > Thanks in advance for any help!



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    Dotty, Feb 9, 2005
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    Tim Guest

    Did this while at a major comp manufacturer. Key was documented and
    repeatable processes. Like CMM level 4 I think. Also, some component of
    analysis and improvement like CMM level 5. The big idea is the project
    continues fine even if anyone is "hit by a bus". Also that the methods
    are proven to work on other projects. If it isn't documented then it
    isn't a process. ;-)

    How much sense does this make on new SW products? Makes alot more sense
    on integration and other more repeatable SW projects.

    My $.02 for free,
    TimJowers
     
    Tim, Feb 10, 2005
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  4. Joona I Palaste

    Hal Rosser Guest

    Its an expensive and drawn out process where you have a manual
    in the manual:
    Say what you your company does.
    say how it does it.
    Prove your company does it the way you said it would.
    Document everything.
    (Hire 2 additional employees to keep paperwork correct)
    ======

    "Joona I Palaste" <> wrote in message
    news:cudqco$eoi$...
    > Our company produces Java software specialised for customers. Recently
    > our project manager has recommended that our company should be ISO
    > 9000/9001 certified. No one in our company yet knows what this actually
    > entails.
    > Could anyone provide a brief summary of what being ISO 9000/9001
    > certified actually means and what it takes to become certified? Our
    > company is small, employing 12 people, of which 9 are programmers. We
    > have been in existence since 1989. We have no products of our own to
    > speak of, but do customer projects instead.
    > Another way would be to have the company audited by an external body. A
    > search from ISO's own website found three auditors in Finland. How much
    > does external auditing usually cost and how long does it take?
    > Thanks in advance for any help!
    >
    > --
    > /-- Joona Palaste () ------------- Finland --------\
    > \-------------------------------------------------------- rules! --------/
    > "A friend of mine is into Voodoo Acupuncture. You don't have to go into

    her
    > office. You'll just be walking down the street and... ohh, that's much

    better!"
    > - Stephen Wright
     
    Hal Rosser, Feb 10, 2005
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  5. On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:09:07 -0500, Hal Rosser wrote:

    > Its an expensive and drawn out process where you have a manual
    > in the manual:
    > Say what you your company does.
    > say how it does it.
    > Prove your company does it the way you said it would.
    > Document everything.


    And keep in mind, that the level of quality is not important,
    only that it's always the same quality at the end.

    A company producing life-wests made of beton can be certified
    with ISO 9001 as long as they can document that they produce
    them the same way all the time.


    Regards, Lothar
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    Lothar Kimmeringer, Feb 10, 2005
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  6. Joona I Palaste wrote:
    > Our company produces Java software specialised for customers. Recently
    > our project manager has recommended that our company should be ISO
    > 9000/9001 certified.


    Good luck. Prepare to produce a lot of documents and to spend a heap of
    cash. Oh, and first of all, you have to give up the common meaning of
    the word "quality". ISO 9000 is not really about building better,
    quality products. It is about being able to repeat the same again and again.

    Basically you need to have your processes and procedures documented in a
    traceable way, and you need to have a system in place for tracking and
    documenting that you follow your processes and procedures as documented.
    If you don't have established processes and procedures you of course
    first have to establish them.

    Common estimates are that it takes a company a year or so to get the
    necessary documentation and quality assurance system in place. Then all
    this needs to be audited by an external, accredited auditor. For hard
    cash, of course.

    > No one in our company yet knows what this actually
    > entails.


    May I then direct you to a book shop like amazon? There are a couple of
    good books about ISO 9000, and the cost of the books will be neglectable
    compared to the total cost of getting certified.

    > Another way would be to have the company audited by an external body.


    You have to have it audited externally. This is how you get the
    certification. But before getting audited, you need to have an IOS 9000
    compliant quality system in place, otherwise you will of course fail the
    audit.

    /Thomas

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    Thomas Weidenfeller, Feb 10, 2005
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    steve Guest

    On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:04:40 +0800, Joona I Palaste wrote
    (in article <cudqco$eoi$>):

    > Our company produces Java software specialised for customers. Recently
    > our project manager has recommended that our company should be ISO
    > 9000/9001 certified. No one in our company yet knows what this actually
    > entails.
    > Could anyone provide a brief summary of what being ISO 9000/9001
    > certified actually means and what it takes to become certified? Our
    > company is small, employing 12 people, of which 9 are programmers. We
    > have been in existence since 1989. We have no products of our own to
    > speak of, but do customer projects instead.
    > Another way would be to have the company audited by an external body. A
    > search from ISO's own website found three auditors in Finland. How much
    > does external auditing usually cost and how long does it take?
    > Thanks in advance for any help!
    >
    >


    it basically states you follow consistent processes.
    so if you document a process, then you MUST follow the documentation for that
    process every time.

    however if you do not document a process , then :)

    note that 9xxx is being phased out.
    Also note that you can make it as "hard" or as "easy" as you want, but if you
    go for the "hard" option then you will have to double your current staffing
    just to fill in all the documentation, that you generate.

    Steve.
     
    steve, Feb 10, 2005
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  8. Joona I Palaste

    Tilman Bohn Guest

    In message <>,
    steve wrote on Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:14:15 +0800:

    [...]
    > note that 9xxx is being phased out.


    Interesting. Could you elaborate? Phased out in favor of what?

    --
    Cheers, Tilman

    `Boy, life takes a long time to live...' -- Steven Wright
     
    Tilman Bohn, Feb 11, 2005
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  9. Joona I Palaste

    steve Guest

    On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:23:31 +0800, Tilman Bohn wrote
    (in article <>):

    > In message <>,
    > steve wrote on Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:14:15 +0800:
    >
    > [...]
    >> note that 9xxx is being phased out.

    >
    > Interesting. Could you elaborate? Phased out in favor of what?
    >
    >


    The ISO 9000-1994 is the previous ISO-9000 revision.  This is now obsolete,
    since it has already been replaced by ISO 9000-2000.


    be clear, there are companies still offering ' ISO 9000' , training and
    compliance packages, which are really the 1994 compliance packages.
    you require 'ISO 9000-2000'
     
    steve, Feb 11, 2005
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  10. Joona I Palaste

    Tilman Bohn Guest

    In message <>,
    steve wrote on Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:32:34 +0800:

    [...]
    > The ISO 9000-1994 is the previous ISO-9000 revision.  This is now obsolete,
    > since it has already been replaced by ISO 9000-2000.


    Ah, so it's still ISO-9000, `just' a new revision. Ok, thanks for the
    clarification.

    --
    Cheers, Tilman

    `Boy, life takes a long time to live...' -- Steven Wright
     
    Tilman Bohn, Feb 13, 2005
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    ISO 9001

    ISO 9001 certification is suited to organisations who wish to improve their management processes and demonstrate that their quality credentials are independently verified. This usually leads to improved client retention and helps them win new business, particularly when bidding for public sector work where ISO 9001 is usually expected.


    Thanks!!!

    For more information visit:ISO 9001
     
    arnob2sarkar, Mar 22, 2012
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