PLEASE HELP ME ! PLEASE

[Chris Hills]

The why dont "we" agree that only ONE reply is enough. Why is there the
constant feeding frenzy. Leave it alone to see if someone else replies
or ignore it.

Then please don't post. Leave it to the others.

Also you will find that most of us regard anyone who ignores netiquette
and starts off inappropriately is fair game.

As you point out there is a "constant feeding ferenzy" so anyone with
any intelligence who looks around the NG before positing should know
not to post homework questions...

The problem is it has got a LOT worse over the last 2-3 years. It is
getting like spam.

They don't research either the problem or the NG they are posting to.
They are fair game on a quiet afternoon. If you don't like the way this
NG works go somewhere else.

 

[Richard Heathfield]

Martin Ambuhl said:

a^=b^=a; // could be still better than 3 statements.

No, it is horrid. The OP poster asked about swapping two number
[sic].
The '^' operator requires operands of an integer type. And that's
not
all that's wrong with it. This question has been beaten to death
before. If you really are committed to the silly XOR trick, check the
FAQ and the newsgroup archives to find out why you shouldn't be. You
might also find out why, even when the silly XOR trick works, writing
it as a single statement is a bad idea.

And if he must do this really stupid thing, he ought at least to do this
really stupid thing properly. The above is broken in more than the
usual number of ways.

Martin, I note from your reply and from another in this thread that both
Umesh and Guru Jois have started dispensing idiotic C advice. I guess
it's time for them to come *out* of my killfile. Things have come to a
pretty pass when one actually feels obliged to unplonk people for being
even more stupid than normal.

 

[Richard Heathfield]

Richard said:

The why dont "we" agree that only ONE reply is enough.

Didn't you hear? Usenet's gone all asynchronous.

Why is there the constant feeding frenzy.

What makes you think any one person who replies has seen any of the
other replies? Maybe you get to see them as they come in - maybe you
have a great newsfeed - but not everyone is that lucky.

Leave it alone to see if someone else replies or ignore it.

Why should we pay you the slightest bit of attention? I don't recall
seeing you giving any C help whatsoever, and if you do give any that
I've missed, it's completely swamped out by your constant whining. Give
it a rest, or balance it with some clueful help.

 

[Chris Dollin]

a^=b^=a; // could be still better than 3 statements.

The statements above smell of undefined behaviour; your replacement
is doomed to it.

 

[Chris Hills]

The statements above smell of undefined behaviour; your replacement
is doomed to it.

"Solutions" on here usually require more work from the student than the
original homework task.

 

[borkhuis]

The problem is it has got a LOT worse over the last 2-3 years. It is
getting like spam.

They don't research either the problem or the NG they are posting to.
They are fair game on a quiet afternoon. If you don't like the way this
NG works go somewhere else.

Why not create a NG comp.lang.c.homework? We can point the posters to
this newsgroups (and hopefully get rid of them) and maybe some of them
will post there directly, and people who like to show off can post
solutions in there. The best would be that those "students" start
helping each other out (I know, the chance of this happening are
almost NULL).

Others (who don't like these threads) can just ignore this group (or
link it to /dev/null).

Kind regards,
Johan

 

[Chris Hills]

Why not create a NG comp.lang.c.homework?

Go on then.

 

[Richard]

Richard said:



Didn't you hear? Usenet's gone all asynchronous.

You don't say. Then assume that and dont bother posting yet another
reproach assuming (certainly for sure) that someone else will have
beaten you to the punch.

What makes you think any one person who replies has seen any of the
other replies? Maybe you get to see them as they come in - maybe you
have a great newsfeed - but not everyone is that lucky.


Why should we pay you the slightest bit of attention? I don't recall

Because, smartypants, maybe I am following the threads to see the
*answer* to the question too? And am sick to death of reading repeated
"off topic" "no homework done here" "wrong platform" "we dont help
people who dont speak english" etc etc etc - time, after time after
time. I await with glee the answer "then we dont need to help you go
somewhere else".

seeing you giving any C help whatsoever, and if you do give any that

I recall you preening and strutting a lot. I have also given help here -
just not recently and not necessarily from this account. Although what
that has to do with you I don't know. Even assuming a lack of posts, I
fail to see what that has to do with polluting the threads with
*repeated* warning on language, homework and topicality. I am well aware
that you think you are deserving of hero worship because of your
longevity and I also admit you are very knowledgeable - when it suits
you. It strikes me that you in particular are more interested in
swamping the nOOb and proving how clever you are rather than actually
walking a nOOb through the parts which can give them a springboard onto
further understanding.

I've missed, it's completely swamped out by your constant whining. Give
it a rest, or balance it with some clueful help.

You're a twit.

 

[Richard]

Then please don't post. Leave it to the others.

I'm not sure that makes sense when I am suggesting people IGNORE posts
they deem unsuitable - they can leave the reply to people who might be
able to constructively help.

It is no joke reading a thread to find 9 pompous rejoinders and only one
reply of substance. The point about "asynchronous" is about as valid as
saying we all use 386s. Sure, for some it might be ... very, very few.

Also you will find that most of us regard anyone who ignores
netiquette and starts off inappropriately is fair game.

No, its not most. Its a loud minority. I see a lot of regulars who do
reply with pointers and suggestions despite the "shove off" replies from
the loud minority.

As you point out there is a "constant feeding ferenzy" so anyone with
any intelligence who looks around the NG before positing should know
not to post homework questions...

The problem is it has got a LOT worse over the last 2-3 years. It is
getting like spam.

I would suggest it is just that - people pulling strings to see the
regulars dance.

They don't research either the problem or the NG they are posting
to. They are fair game on a quiet afternoon. If you don't like the
way this NG works go somewhere else.

No. Because this NG can help people regardless of the petty jobs worths
who patrol the corridoors. No other NG that I am aware of has the same
level of "feeding frenzy". I find it dispiriting and inappropriate that
skilled qualified people like yourselves should deem it appropriate
behaviour in a public help news group.

I know I'm not the first to mention this and am sure I wont be the last.

I am also equally sure that the loud minority are so full of themselves
that this plea is akin to trying to squeeze blood from a stone.


--

 

[Chris Hills]

You don't say. Then assume that and dont bother posting yet another
reproach assuming (certainly for sure) that someone else will have
beaten you to the punch.

He keeps going on: saying we shouldn't post.....

Because, smartypants, maybe I am following the threads to see the
*answer* to the question too?

So are the rest of us and when no one else replies we do so that there
is at least one answer...

And am sick to death of reading repeated
"off topic"

That I agree with.

"no homework done here"

No that one needs to be put up in lights... In fact I think it is in the
FAQ's and I know my notes on a "model home work question" that has been
posted here several times made it onto a couple of FAQ's and the like.

If you trample over the rules of the club you will be treated
accordingly.

This is not an NG for homework. However people will try to help anyone
who has made an effort.

If any of the "homework" posters had even bothered to look at the NG
before posting would have discovered what not to do.

"wrong platform" "we dont help
people who dont speak english" etc etc etc - time, after time after
time. I await with glee the answer "then we dont need to help you go
somewhere else".

The vast majority on here only read/write English. There is nothing
wrong with posting in Spanish, latin German, French or American but it
will limit the number of people who can read, let alone understand the
question.

I recall you preening and strutting a lot. I have also given help here -
just not recently and not necessarily from this account.

Actually he does help a lot. .

You're a twit.

Can we have a vote on that?

 

[Richard Heathfield]

Richard said:

You don't say. Then assume that and dont bother posting yet another
reproach assuming (certainly for sure) that someone else will have
beaten you to the punch.

In case you hadn't noticed, I rarely bother.

Because, smartypants, maybe I am following the threads to see the
*answer* to the question too? And am sick to death of reading repeated
"off topic" "no homework done here" "wrong platform" "we dont help
people who dont speak english" etc etc etc - time, after time after
time. I await with glee the answer "then we dont need to help you go
somewhere else".

Such responses can be rather tiresome, it's true. Nevertheless, no OP is
well-served by a well-meaning but incompetent answer to an off-topic
question that, had it been posted in a newsgroup where it's topical,
would have stood a much better chance of being properly corrected by
the experts local to that group.

I recall you preening and strutting a lot.

Sticks and stones.

I have also given help here
- just not recently and not necessarily from this account.
Really.

Although what that has to do with you I don't know.

No more than the responses of other contributors to this group has
anything whatsoever to do with you. If you retain the right to say what
you like, accord them the same privilege. If you want the right to
whine even when people ask you not to, that's fine, but don't expect
other people to pay attention to you when you don't pay any attention
to them.

Even assuming a lack of
posts, I fail to see what that has to do with polluting the threads
with *repeated* warning on language, homework and topicality. I am
well aware that you think you are deserving of hero worship

Rubbish. There are plenty of people here who know far more about C than
I do.

It strikes me that you in particular are more interested in
swamping the nOOb and proving how clever you are rather than actually
walking a nOOb through the parts which can give them a springboard
onto further understanding.

Really. I suggest you read my articles more closely in future.

You're a twit.

I love you too.

 

[Chris Dollin]

//multiplication table version 2
#include<iostream.h>

Not C.

void main()

Not (portable, Standard) C.

{
long int a,i,j;
cout<<"Enter a single digit number: ";

NOT C.

Here, we are for C. C. C. Not not-C.

[And why a /long/ int when the maximum accessible value is 81? Not, of
course, that there's a /check/ for the value of `a`, assuming that the
shifts are supposed to be some sort of process-communication syntax.]

 

[Umesh]

//multiplication table version 2
#include<iostream.h>
void main()
{
long int a,i,j;
cout<<"Enter a single digit number: ";
cin>>a;
cout<<"\nThe multiplication table of "<<a<<" is:\n\n";
for(i=1;i<=a;i++)
cout<<"\t"<<i;
cout<<"\n";
for(i=1;i<=8*a;i++)
cout<<"-";
cout<<"\n";
for(i=1;i<=a;i++)
{
cout<<i<<"|\t";
for(j=1;j<=a;j++)
cout<<i*j<<"\t";
cout<<"\n";
}

}

 

[Chris Hills]

Richard said:

Really. I suggest you read my articles more closely in future.


I love you too.

You two timing tart!!! I thought I was the only one!
I 'll sulk!

 

[Default User]

Why not create a NG comp.lang.c.homework?

It's not easy to create a big eight newsgroup (for good reasons).
There's a lot of work involved, and a fairly good chance it would end
up voted down after all that. An alt group is easy, but would have
troubles getting carried.





Brian

 

[Default User]

>"Joachim Schmitz"

Where have I been discourteous?
My answer was the first (according to the timestapms I can see), so
why are you apparently atacking me for the # of posts?

He's trolling. Just killfile him.




Brian

 

[Martin Ambuhl]

9 of them are discourteous warnings about posting style, homework and
things being off topic.

It is extremely rude, completely incorrect, and improperly authoritarian
for you to call "discourteous" completely proper posts which request the
poster not to shout, point out that we don't do homework, and warning
that posts that are not topical will not be given serious consideration.

If insist on passing judgment on other's posts, do try to be at least
close to being right. Then we would know that while you might be a
self-righteous prick, at least you would correct.

 

[Mark McIntyre]

You don't say. Then assume that and dont bother posting yet another
reproach

I see - the "someone else will fix it" approach. Top marks for
laziness.

Because, smartypants, maybe I am following the threads to see the
*answer* to the question too?

This isn't an answer to the questio about why we should pay you teh
slightest attention.

And am sick to death of reading repeated
"off topic" "no homework done here" "wrong platform" "we dont help
people who dont speak english"

Get used to it - its what keeps the group relatively clear of offtopic
and unanswerable or unconfirmable garbage.

If you really dislike seeing it, you can of course killfile all the
people who make the posts - be warned however that you'll find it gets
very very quiet in here.

I recall you preening and strutting a lot.

Preening and strutting ????? I think not. I've had my disagreements
with Richard, but he's still one of hte most clueful posters here, and
even if he occasionally thlips up, I'm not going to take the hump too
much....

I have also given help here -
just not recently and not necessarily from this account. Although what
that has to do with you I don't know.

Like many groups and indeed like real life, CLC works by people
earning credit by virtue of their history.

You're a twit.

And you're a fool.

*plonk*

--
Mark McIntyre

"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan

 

[Martin Ambuhl]

a^=b^=a; // could be still better than 3 statements.

No, it is horrid. The OP poster asked about swapping two number
[sic]. The '^' operator requires operands of an integer type. And

Don't be so ridiculous. By your rationale then the numbers to be swapped
could be different types and thus unswappable.

Is this Richard just incredibly stupid or is he a troll? The silly XOR
trick works only with integer operands. It is undefined on anything
else. To point that out says nothing at all about what numbers are
"swappable". To claim that "By your rationale then the numbers to be
swapped could be different types and thus unswappable" requires a high
level of dishonesty or a very low level of intelligence. If one
concedes that two doubles might be meaningfully swapped, then one must
concede that the silly XOR trick is not the right approach.

At times it pays to maybe
consider the context the questions are asked in and give a cautious
reply along the lines of ...

"assuming we are talking about unsigned integers then one way might be ...."


Students who come here asking these type of questions are rarely in the
position to slap their lecturers.

At no point did I suggest slapping anyone. Take your creative reading
technique somewhere else.

 

[Mark McIntyre]

I'm not sure that makes sense when I am suggesting people IGNORE posts
they deem unsuitable - they can leave the reply to people who might be
able to constructively help.

This has been tried in the past, many times, and found disastrous. If
offtopic posts aren't redirected, more and more and more are posted
till eventually there's only noise, and all the knowledgeable people
leave. I recall this happening in CLC++ a while back, and I've seen it
in many other groups too - uk.sci.astronomy has suffered from this
recently.

It is no joke reading a thread to find 9 pompous rejoinders

You too can skip posts you don't like.

The point about "asynchronous" is about as valid as
saying we all use 386s. Sure, for some it might be ... very, very few.

You're extremely mistaken. Seriously.

You may have the pleasure of a good news provider, but most folk ain't
so lucky. Mine misses posts, gets 'em in the wrong order and sometimes
decides the entire history is either nonexistent, or all new posts.

No. Because this NG can help people regardless of the petty jobs worths
who patrol the corridoors.

So its ok for /you/ to police the corridors, shouting at anyone who
disagrees with your views and hurling abuse at the staffers, but its
not ok for others?

Egad you're a pompous prat. And a hypocrite.

I am also equally sure that the loud minority are so full of themselves
that this plea is akin to trying to squeeze blood from a stone.

And of course, you exclude yourself from the "full of themselves"
brigade....

--
Mark McIntyre

"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan