PREVENT COPYING WEB PICS HELP

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Joel Shepherd

Don Noll said:
Some people have printed out the candid photos to help us get further gigs.
We feel a "hard" copy used for solicitation should be promo photos NOT
candid photos. Some people have good intentions but would like clients to
view candid photos as action photos, not passed around as promo photos!

This sounds more like a business problem than an HTML problem. Trying to
prevent folks from downloading the "candid photos" so that they can't
turn them into promos (not sure if that's quite the right word, but ...)
is likely to discourage them in a way you don't want.

It seems to me that a more direct approach might be better. Ask folks --
right there on the web page -- that if they're looking for photos to
promote your band to please use the photos on such-and-such page. And if
folks still insist on using other photos, take it up with them
"off-line".

But I really think that communicating your wishes directly is likely to
go over better with more people, than kind of passive-aggressively
trying to block certain kinds of access to the photos ... particularly
if you don't explain to users _why_.

My two cents, if that...
 
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Richard Rundle

Don Noll said:
My concern is not that people will steal our photos! Our promo photos are
distributed:however; gallery photos are candid photos!

Some people have printed out the candid photos to help us get further gigs.
We feel a "hard" copy used for solicitation should be promo photos NOT
candid photos. Some people have good intentions but would like clients to
view candid photos as action photos, not passed around as promo photos!


Once you're putting them on the web, *you're* making them promo pictures.
 
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Blinky the Shark

Joel said:
But I really think that communicating your wishes directly is likely
to go over better with more people, than kind of passive-aggressively
trying to block certain kinds of access to the photos ... particularly
if you don't explain to users _why_.

My Overworked Buzzphrase detectors just went off, Joel. I lock my home
when I'm not there, and I lock my car. Sounds like that fits the
description "passive-aggressive", from what I read in your post. I'd
hate to learn that I have to instead rig them with trip wires and
shotguns to avoid the negative buzzphrase label "passive-aggressive",
being more direct *or* depend on nicey-nice notes pasted to them that
say, "please don't steal this or steal from this". Help me here, would
you?

I know he's not going to stop a determined enough thief, any more than
my locks will; but that strengthens the analogy rather than weakening
it. It's the idea that using a lock (regardless of its effectiveness)
shows *any* kind of *aggression* that makes no sense to me.
 
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Blinky the Shark

Blinky said:
Joel Shepherd wrote:
My Overworked Buzzphrase detectors just went off, Joel. I lock my home
when I'm not there, and I lock my car. Sounds like that fits the
description "passive-aggressive", from what I read in your post. I'd
hate to learn that I have to instead rig them with trip wires and
shotguns to avoid the negative buzzphrase label "passive-aggressive",
being more direct *or* depend on nicey-nice notes pasted to them that

Please dele "being more direct" from that sentence; it's there due to
bad editing on my part. Intended sentence: "I'd hate to learn that I
have to instead rig them with trip wires and shotguns...*or* depend
on...notes..."
 
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Ian Rastall

I lock my home
when I'm not there, and I lock my car. Sounds like that fits the
description "passive-aggressive", from what I read in your post.

It made perfect sense to me. Passive-aggression, essentially, means
opting out of the direct route, in a way that doesn't make you look
bad. In this case, the direct route is an excellent idea: to just ask
fans not to use the candid photos for t-shirts, flyers, etc. It's also
a lot easier to code!

Ian
 
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Blinky the Shark

Ian said:
On 14 Jun 2005 07:08:36 GMT, Blinky the Shark <[email protected]>
wrote:
It made perfect sense to me. Passive-aggression, essentially, means
opting out of the direct route, in a way that doesn't make you look

Locking the door is indirect?

Okay, I'm outta this thread. Too much dime-store pop psychology in
here. My psych degree can't handle it. :)
bad. In this case, the direct route is an excellent idea: to just ask
fans not to use the candid photos for t-shirts, flyers, etc. It's also
a lot easier to code!

I didn't say it was a bad idea. I only addressed the idea of locking
the door being "passive-agressive".
 
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Noozer

Don Noll said:
My concern is not that people will steal our photos! Our promo photos are
distributed:however; gallery photos are candid photos!

Some people have printed out the candid photos to help us get further gigs.
We feel a "hard" copy used for solicitation should be promo photos NOT
candid photos. Some people have good intentions but would like clients to
view candid photos as action photos, not passed around as promo photos!

Actually stealing our photos is the farthest thing on our mind...thanks for
all input!

It's NOT possible...

If it's on the web, it can be copied/printed/saved.

If you want to protect it, don't publish it.
 
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Joel Shepherd

Blinky the Shark said:
My Overworked Buzzphrase detectors just went off, Joel.

You have multiple such detectors? Good lord. I'd call you paranoid but
I'm fearful of the din that could raise. ;-)
I lock my home when I'm not there, and I lock my car. Sounds like that
fits the description "passive-aggressive", from what I read in your post.

Uh, no. The OP isn't complaining about people stealing his/her images
per se. The complaint is that -- horrors! -- people are using the
"wrong" images to promote the band. So instead of just telling people
"Hey, we'd really appreciate if you used these other pictures when
promoting us", he/she is trying to introduce impediments to all of
his/her fans because they won't play by his/her rules.

Okay, so maybe that isn't "passive-aggressive" behavior, and maybe I am
guilty of loosely throwing around a buzzword: fine. I can live with the
guilt and shame. :)

That doesn't alter my basic point though. This isn't an HTML problem:
it's a problem in communicating the band's wishes. I strongly suspect
they'd have more success in that regard if they plainly stated what
those wishes were, than if they introduce impediments for no clear
reason (at least, reasons unclear to their fans).
It's the idea that using a lock (regardless of its effectiveness)
shows *any* kind of *aggression* that makes no sense to me.

Sure. But introducing, without explanation, impediments to people who
are really just trying to help you ... well, it may not be aggressive,
but it doesn't strike me as particularly friendly either.

Speaking of friendly, don't you have some shark teeth to clean or
something?
 
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Blinky the Shark

Joel said:
You have multiple such detectors? Good lord. I'd call you paranoid but
I'm fearful of the din that could raise. ;-)

It's a jungle out there!
Uh, no. The OP isn't complaining about people stealing his/her images
per se. The complaint is that -- horrors! -- people are using the
"wrong" images to promote the band. So instead of just telling people
"Hey, we'd really appreciate if you used these other pictures when
promoting us", he/she is trying to introduce impediments to all of
his/her fans because they won't play by his/her rules.
Okay, so maybe that isn't "passive-aggressive" behavior, and maybe I am
guilty of loosely throwing around a buzzword: fine. I can live with the
guilt and shame. :)

And I can live with that assessment. :)
That doesn't alter my basic point though. This isn't an HTML problem:
it's a problem in communicating the band's wishes. I strongly suspect
they'd have more success in that regard if they plainly stated what
those wishes were, than if they introduce impediments for no clear
reason (at least, reasons unclear to their fans).
Sure. But introducing, without explanation, impediments to people who
are really just trying to help you ... well, it may not be aggressive,
but it doesn't strike me as particularly friendly either.
Speaking of friendly, don't you have some shark teeth to clean or
something?

I had them bonded. No more worries. And look at this nice set my
cousin got:

http://blinkynet.net/sharks/stinkydent.html
 
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neredbojias

Without quill or qualm, Travis Newbury quothed:
Where have you been? It seems like ages since I have seen you post.

It has been, -near 2 years methinks. I go in spurts, and not only
sexually. Been working on html, the ol' web site et al, -working and
learning, learning and working. My mind has become a miasma of myopic
mish-mash marinating in a cranium of ossified skull-stuff. Sigh.
 
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dorayme

From: Joel Shepherd said:
Now just a minute Joel! No need to cave in so quick to this. Blinky strikes
me as someone with a bit of spirit and would appreciate a little ... well...
dust up... Lets see now, how can I inflame matters a bit? What about lets
talk standards of peacefulness. Ghandi, real Christians and all that. Now
from this point of view, even any defence move might be deemed aggressive.
Christ was alleged to have urged the giving of the other cheek. Anything
less, like say, the upturning of a thousand table to put a barrier between
the attacker and oneself, can be seen to be aggressive.

Ho hum...


dorayme
 
J

JDS

I am sure this is true. But it is not all *that* hard. Consider my gang. I
teach my young thieves various techniques that I have found useful (btw, I

What the fsk are you going on about?
 
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dorayme

From: JDS said:
What the fsk are you going on about?

What is a way to email you privately? We want to say things to you urgently.
Don't worry, we will explain all. We won't take up much of your time.
Perhaps the newsgroup should not suffer for this. And there will be no need
at all to abbreviate any words. No need at all. You can trust me or my
associates. Email us but put "fsk" in the subject or we won't see it.

dorayme
 
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lime

"dorayme" ...
What is a way to email you privately? We want to say things to you
urgently.
Don't worry, we will explain all. We won't take up much of your time.
Perhaps the newsgroup should not suffer for this. And there will be no
need
at all to abbreviate any words. No need at all. You can trust me or my
associates. Email us but put "fsk" in the subject or we won't see it.

no, no... please entertain us all.
 
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dorayme

From: "lime said:
"dorayme" ...

no, no... please entertain us all.
Thank you, you mean maybe like the beer hall scene in Roxanne where Steve
Martin does a brilliant job in a competition on who can say the most cutting
things about his nose? Agh! Tempted as we are to try, we must resist. One of
us promised to be good a while back. What we have to say really must be said
in great privacy. It will be hugely cathartic, sort of like the degaussing
of a computer monitor... So we like to imagine at any rate. There, perhaps
this will do for the moment... :)


dorayme
 

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