Re: Image map: client-side or server-side (cgi)?

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Luigi Donatello Asero, Dec 23, 2003.

  1. Luigi Donatello Asero, Dec 23, 2003
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    brucie Guest

    in post <news:EA3Gb.39613$>
    Luigi Donatello Asero said:

    > For example the map of Italy on the page
    > http://www.lavilla.se/


    theres no map on that page. don't ya just hate frames.

    > does not have the motorways.


    you cant run off with someone elses map anyway. they'll get lost. find a
    PD map and adjust it to your needs.


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    brucie
    24/December/2003 09:23:13 am kilo
     
    brucie, Dec 23, 2003
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  3. "brucie" <> skrev i meddelandet
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    > in post <news:EA3Gb.39613$>
    > Luigi Donatello Asero said:
    >
    > > For example the map of Italy on the page
    > > http://www.lavilla.se/

    >
    > theres no map on that page. don't ya just hate frames.
    >
    > > does not have the motorways.

    >


    I meant map as "map of Italy" not as " image map" in the example which I
    mentioned above.
    > you cant run off with someone elses map anyway. they'll get lost. find a
    > PD map and adjust it to your needs.

    I did not want to copy that map, I just meant that I have not found any
    better map of Italy on the web.
    As I mentioned, the maps which are on the sites http:/www.italymap.dk
    and http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com were made

    for my one-man business, that is Scaiecat Spa Gigi, by a
    cooperative society. I paid for those maps of Italy
    ( I am trying to make the image map myself) They are in jpeg but I shall
    also get a tif. image,
    so I can always modify that if I want. Anyway, my one-man business bought
    the
    the exclusive copyrights, so I can use these photos where I want and make
    all the copies I want.
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Dec 24, 2003
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  4. "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> skrev i meddelandet
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    >
    > "brucie" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:bsaiuf$baoik$-berlin.de...
    > > in post <news:EA3Gb.39613$>
    > > Luigi Donatello Asero said:
    > >
    > > > For example the map of Italy on the page
    > > > http://www.lavilla.se/

    > >
    > > theres no map on that page. don't ya just hate frames.
    > >
    > > > does not have the motorways.

    > >

    >
    > I meant map as "map of Italy" not as " image map" in the example which I
    > mentioned above.
    > > you cant run off with someone elses map anyway. they'll get lost. find a
    > > PD map and adjust it to your needs.

    > I did not want to copy that map, I just meant that I have not found any
    > better map of Italy on the web.
    > As I mentioned, the maps which are on the sites http:/www.italymap.dk
    > and http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com were made
    >
    > for my one-man business, that is Scaiecat Spa Gigi, by a
    > cooperative society. I paid for those maps of Italy
    > ( I am trying to make the image map myself) They are in jpeg


    Sorry, I meant "jpg"

    and the other adress was http://www.italymap.dk

    I have not seen any map of Italy on the map, which is clearer, small and at
    the same time contains so many important information as mine, so the point
    is whether it is really possible to make one. The names of the towns and the
    motorways are important. It would have taken time for me to get to know for
    example how the motorways look like, that means which parts are under
    construction and so on.
    By the way, I though that you brucie lived in Australia but it seems as you
    post from Berlin, don´t you?
    How many "brucie" are in this NG?

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    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Dec 24, 2003
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  5. "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> skrev i meddelandet
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    >
    > "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:6W5Gb.39619$...
    > >
    > > "brucie" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > > news:bsaiuf$baoik$-berlin.de...
    > > > in post <news:EA3Gb.39613$>
    > > > Luigi Donatello Asero said:
    > > >
    > > > > For example the map of Italy on the page
    > > > > http://www.lavilla.se/
    > > >
    > > > theres no map on that page. don't ya just hate frames.
    > > >
    > > > > does not have the motorways.
    > > >

    > >
    > > I meant map as "map of Italy" not as " image map" in the example which I
    > > mentioned above.
    > > > you cant run off with someone elses map anyway. they'll get lost. find

    a
    > > > PD map and adjust it to your needs.

    > > I did not want to copy that map, I just meant that I have not found any
    > > better map of Italy on the web.
    > > As I mentioned, the maps which are on the sites http:/www.italymap.dk
    > > and http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com were made
    > >
    > > for my one-man business, that is Scaiecat Spa Gigi, by a
    > > cooperative society. I paid for those maps of Italy
    > > ( I am trying to make the image map myself) They are in jpeg

    >
    > Sorry, I meant "jpg"
    >
    > and the other adress was http://www.italymap.dk
    >
    > I have not seen any map of Italy on the map, which is clearer, small and

    at
    > the same time contains so many important information as mine, so the point
    > is whether it is really possible to make one. The names of the towns and

    the
    > motorways are important. It would have taken time for me to get to know

    for
    > example how the motorways look like, that means which parts are under
    > construction and so on.
    > By the way, I though that you brucie lived in Australia but it seems as

    you
    > post from Berlin, don´t you?
    > How many "brucie" are in this NG?
    >
    > --
    > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    >
    >
    > http://www.italymap.dk
    > http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.html


    I meant: "I have not seen any map of Italy on the web, which is clearer,
    small and at
    the same time contains so many important information as mine, so the point
    is whether it is really possible to make one."
    The question might be whether I could make a better one by saving the .tif
    image which I am going to get as .gif.

    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Dec 24, 2003
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    brucie Guest

    in post <news:6W5Gb.39619$>
    Luigi Donatello Asero said:

    > [http://www.italymap.dk/index.html]
    > ( I am trying to make the image map myself)


    <p><img src="itally.jpg" width="300" height="328" alt="something" usemap="#itally">
    <map name="itally">
    <area href="trento.html" shape="rect" coords="84,21,137,37" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="aosta.html" shape="rect" coords="6,32,48,47" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="milano.html" shape="rect" coords="48,42,94,57" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="trieste.html" shape="rect" coords="141,34,195,46" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="venezia.html" shape="rect" coords="109,46,165,55" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="torino.html" shape="rect" coords="13,55,60,67" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="bologna.html" shape="rect" coords="87,71,146,84" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="genova.html" shape="rect" coords="37,77,89,90" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="eirenze.html" shape="rect" coords="88,96,141,108" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="anacona.html" shape="rect" coords="164,101,215,112" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="perugia.html" shape="rect" coords="120,121,173,134" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="aquila.html" shape="rect" coords="144,137,195,150" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="roma.html" shape="rect" coords="127,150,164,164" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="campobasso.html"shape="rect" coords="164,157,242,169" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="bari.html" shape="rect" coords="229,169,263,179" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="napoli.html" shape="rect" coords="163,181,212,194" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="potenza.html" shape="rect" coords="205,193,259,207" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="catanzaro.html" shape="rect" coords="227,244,299,260" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="palermo.html" shape="rect" coords="145,267,206,280" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area href="cagliari.html" shape="rect" coords="51,241,112,258" alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    <area shape="default" nohref alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    </map>
    </p>



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    brucie
    24/December/2003 11:41:13 am kilo
     
    brucie, Dec 24, 2003
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    brucie Guest

    in post <news:d16Gb.39620$>
    Luigi Donatello Asero said:

    > By the way, I though that you brucie lived in Australia


    yes

    > but it seems as you post from Berlin, don´t you?


    yes. i'm tricky like that.

    > How many "brucie" are in this NG?


    don't you think one is more than enough?

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    brucie
    24/December/2003 11:48:31 am kilo
     
    brucie, Dec 24, 2003
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  8. "brucie" <> skrev i meddelandet
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    > in post <news:6W5Gb.39619$>
    > Luigi Donatello Asero said:
    >
    > > [http://www.italymap.dk/index.html]
    > > ( I am trying to make the image map myself)

    >
    > <p><img src="itally.jpg" width="300" height="328" alt="something"

    usemap="#itally">
    > <map name="itally">
    > <area href="trento.html" shape="rect" coords="84,21,137,37"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="aosta.html" shape="rect" coords="6,32,48,47"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="milano.html" shape="rect" coords="48,42,94,57"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="trieste.html" shape="rect" coords="141,34,195,46"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="venezia.html" shape="rect" coords="109,46,165,55"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="torino.html" shape="rect" coords="13,55,60,67"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="bologna.html" shape="rect" coords="87,71,146,84"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="genova.html" shape="rect" coords="37,77,89,90"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="eirenze.html" shape="rect" coords="88,96,141,108"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="anacona.html" shape="rect" coords="164,101,215,112"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="perugia.html" shape="rect" coords="120,121,173,134"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="aquila.html" shape="rect" coords="144,137,195,150"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="roma.html" shape="rect" coords="127,150,164,164"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="campobasso.html"shape="rect" coords="164,157,242,169"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="bari.html" shape="rect" coords="229,169,263,179"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="napoli.html" shape="rect" coords="163,181,212,194"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="potenza.html" shape="rect" coords="205,193,259,207"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="catanzaro.html" shape="rect" coords="227,244,299,260"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="palermo.html" shape="rect" coords="145,267,206,280"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area href="cagliari.html" shape="rect" coords="51,241,112,258"

    alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > <area shape="default" nohref alt="blah01" title="blah02">
    > </map>
    > </p>
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > brucie
    > 24/December/2003 11:41:13 am kilo



    I have just began doing the map, brucie. It is on another page.
    We were talking about the fact that the map (Landeskarta, wenn Du Deutsch
    sprichst) of Italy (image) was dark or clear or something.
    How did you calculate all the coordinates so fast? Did you use a software or
    not?

    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Dec 24, 2003
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    Eric Bohlman Guest

    "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> wrote in
    news:d16Gb.39620$:

    > By the way, I though that you brucie lived in Australia but it seems
    > as you post from Berlin, don´t you?


    The Free University of Berlin offers a free newsserver (info available at
    <http://www.individual.net>) used by many people all over the world. It's
    fast and reliable. No binaries though (which is probably *why* it's so
    fast and reliable and is definitely why they can afford to make it free).
    I use it even though my ISP offers a newsserver, simply because it's so
    much faster.
     
    Eric Bohlman, Dec 24, 2003
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    brucie Guest

    in post <news:2j6Gb.43497$>
    Luigi Donatello Asero said:

    > We were talking about the fact that the map (Landeskarta, wenn Du Deutsch
    > sprichst) of Italy (image) was dark or clear or something.


    at my lowest resolution of 800x600 i find it difficult to read the text.
    at my normal browsing resolution of 1152x864 its just a blur except for
    "ancona" as it hasn't got any background artifacts.

    due to those problems and browsers very poor handling of image maps its
    unusable to me. i would need normal links to the pages.

    > How did you calculate all the coordinates so fast?


    it took me longer to read the names than to work out the coords for each
    one.

    > Did you use a software or not?


    one of my html editors has an image map editor built in

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    brucie
    24/December/2003 11:53:19 am kilo
     
    brucie, Dec 24, 2003
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  11. "Eric Bohlman" <> skrev i meddelandet
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    > "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> wrote in
    > news:d16Gb.39620$:
    >
    > > By the way, I though that you brucie lived in Australia but it seems
    > > as you post from Berlin, don´t you?

    >
    > The Free University of Berlin offers a free newsserver (info available at
    > <http://www.individual.net>) used by many people all over the world. It's
    > fast and reliable. No binaries though (which is probably *why* it's so
    > fast and reliable and is definitely why they can afford to make it free).
    > I use it even though my ISP offers a newsserver, simply because it's so
    > much faster.


    Thank you for your explanation.

    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Dec 24, 2003
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    rf Guest

    "brucie" <> wrote in message
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    > in post <news:d16Gb.39620$>


    > > How many "brucie" are in this NG?

    >
    > don't you think one is more than enough?


    Far more than enough :)

    <stir>
    Merry xmas brucie
    </stir>

    Cheers
    Richard.
     
    rf, Dec 24, 2003
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    brucie Guest

    in post <news:D8dGb.63864$>
    rf said:

    >>> How many "brucie" are in this NG?


    >> don't you think one is more than enough?


    > Far more than enough :)


    i've been thinking its time i change my handle.

    > <stir>
    > Merry xmas brucie
    > </stir>


    i'm going to tell santa on you!

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    brucie
    24/December/2003 07:48:54 pm kilo
     
    brucie, Dec 24, 2003
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  14. "brucie" <> skrev i meddelandet
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    > in post <news:2j6Gb.43497$>
    > Luigi Donatello Asero said:
    >
    > > We were talking about the fact that the map (Landeskarta, wenn Du

    Deutsch
    > > sprichst) of Italy (image) was dark or clear or something.

    >
    > at my lowest resolution of 800x600 i find it difficult to read the text.
    > at my normal browsing resolution of 1152x864 its just a blur except for
    > "ancona" as it hasn't got any background artifacts.
    >
    > due to those problems and browsers very poor handling of image maps its
    > unusable to me. i would need normal links to the pages.


    There will be probably also normal links to the pages not only image maps
    links.
    However, my original question was about suing a client-side or a server-side
    image because I have read somethng on the website http://www.htmlgoodies.com
    and I wanted to know your opinion about it.
    > > How did you calculate all the coordinates so fast?

    >
    > it took me longer to read the names than to work out the coords for each
    > one.
    >
    > > Did you use a software or not?

    >
    > one of my html editors has an image map editor built in


    I thought that you did not like using editors!

    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Dec 24, 2003
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  15. "brucie" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:bsase9$a928b$-berlin.de...
    > in post <news:2j6Gb.43497$>
    > Luigi Donatello Asero said:
    >
    > > We were talking about the fact that the map (Landeskarta, wenn Du

    Deutsch
    > > sprichst) of Italy (image) was dark or clear or something.

    >
    > at my lowest resolution of 800x600 i find it difficult to read the text.
    > at my normal browsing resolution of 1152x864 its just a blur except for
    > "ancona" as it hasn't got any background artifacts.
    >
    > due to those problems and browsers very poor handling of image maps its
    > unusable to me. i would need normal links to the pages.
    >
    > > How did you calculate all the coordinates so fast?

    >
    > it took me longer to read the names than to work out the coords for each
    > one.


    That is probably also due to the fact that you have never heard of most
    names of the towns and that you used an editor.
    It can also depends on the browser at least if I understood what I read on
    this subject.
    http://www.htmlgoodies.com/tutors/im.html
    It seems as a client-side with cgi would work with all the browsers but that
    would not be the case for a client-side.


    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Dec 24, 2003
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    brucie Guest

    in post <news:vXeGb.39640$>
    Luigi Donatello Asero said:

    > However, my original question was about suing a client-side or a server-side


    my first reply addressed it.

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    brucie
    24/December/2003 09:46:59 pm kilo
     
    brucie, Dec 24, 2003
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    brucie Guest

    in post <news:p2fGb.39641$>
    Luigi Donatello Asero said:

    >> it took me longer to read the names than to work out the coords for each
    >> one.


    > That is probably also due to the fact that you have never heard of most
    > names of the towns


    true. are you assuming everyone who views the map will know the places?

    > and that you used an editor.


    an editor has nothing to do with it. the text on the image is not clear
    enough for me to read. thats it.

    > It can also depends on the browser at least if I understood what I read on
    > this subject. http://www.htmlgoodies.com/tutors/im.html


    that site isn't a good reference.

    > It seems as a client-side with cgi would work with all the browsers but that
    > would not be the case for a client-side.


    you said client side twice so i'm not sure which way you're swinging.
    you do not need a server side image map. use a client side image map.

    --
    brucie
    24/December/2003 10:05:56 pm kilo
     
    brucie, Dec 24, 2003
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  18. "brucie" <> skrev i meddelandet
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    > in post <news:p2fGb.39641$>
    > Luigi Donatello Asero said:
    >
    > >> it took me longer to read the names than to work out the coords for

    each
    > >> one.

    >
    > > That is probably also due to the fact that you have never heard of most
    > > names of the towns

    >
    > true. are you assuming everyone who views the map will know the places?

    Some of the visitors will probably know the places, it is difficult to know
    how many but they ma know the names either because they already visited the
    site
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com or because they have already been in Italy
    or read about Italy and so on. If they do not know the names they can still
    get to know them
    on the other pages. Now I have also set a link
    on the page. I shall also set links to pages in other languages later.
    The websites http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com and http://www.italymap.dk
    are linked to each other. On the other hand placing the names of the map
    outside and not inside takes place on the page and an image which would be
    larger than 300 pixel would not let me use navigation links on the left side
    and
    still let me see the whole map even if I make the browser window smaller.
    > > and that you used an editor.

    >
    > an editor has nothing to do with it. the text on the image is not clear
    > enough for me to read. thats it.


    The editor had to do with that it helped you to calculate the coordinates
    faster than you could read the names...
    > > It can also depends on the browser at least if I understood what I read

    on
    > > this subject. http://www.htmlgoodies.com/tutors/im.html

    >
    > that site isn't a good reference.

    Which reference do you recommend?
    >
    > > It seems as a client-side with cgi would work with all the browsers but

    that
    > > would not be the case for a client-side.

    >
    > you said client side twice so i'm not sure which way you're swinging.
    > you do not need a server side image map. use a client side image map.


    I meant that a server-side with cgi would work with all the browsers
    according to what is stated on the site
    "this type of map will work on all browsers as long as you have the CGI to
    attach it to"
    http://www.htmlgoodies.com/tutors/im.html
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)


    http://www.italymap.dk
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Dec 24, 2003
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    brucie Guest

    in post <news:XTfGb.39646$>
    Luigi Donatello Asero said:

    >>> this subject. http://www.htmlgoodies.com/tutors/im.html


    >> that site isn't a good reference.


    > Which reference do you recommend?


    alt.html of course

    > I meant that a server-side with cgi would work with all the browsers


    IE*1*, NS*2*, opera*2*, mosaic*2* support client side image maps. if you
    really think there is someone out there with a pre 1995 browser then use
    both client and server side maps on the image.

    > according to what is stated on the site


    the page explaining the implementation of server side image maps [
    http://www.htmlgoodies.com/tutors/imagemap.html ] is way out of date for
    a start. it may still work but its been done differently for the last 5
    years.


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    brucie
    24/December/2003 10:46:17 pm kilo
     
    brucie, Dec 24, 2003
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  20. brucie wrote:
    > if you really think there is someone out there with a pre 1995 browser
    > then use both client and server side maps on the image.


    Or even better, text links.
     
    Leif K-Brooks, Dec 24, 2003
    #20
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