Re: lccwin32 VIRUS issue

Discussion in 'C Programming' started by Phil Carmody, Jul 19, 2009.

  1. Phil Carmody

    Phil Carmody Guest

    herbal tea <> writes:
    > My


    You post through an anonymiser. You are nobody.

    Phil
    --
    If GML was an infant, SGML is the bright youngster far exceeds
    expectations and made its parents too proud, but XML is the
    drug-addicted gang member who had committed his first murder
    before he had sex, which was rape. -- Erik Naggum (1965-2009)
    Phil Carmody, Jul 19, 2009
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  2. Phil Carmody

    John Doe Guest

    Phil Carmody wrote:
    > herbal tea <> writes:
    >> My

    >
    > You post through an anonymiser. You are nobody.
    >
    > Phil


    Huh? news.aioe.org is a public access nntp server, but not specifically
    an anonymizer.
    John Doe, Jul 21, 2009
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  3. Phil Carmody

    Phil Carmody Guest

    John Doe <> writes:
    > Phil Carmody wrote:
    >> herbal tea <> writes:
    >>> My

    >>
    >> You post through an anonymiser. You are nobody.
    >>
    >> Phil

    >
    > Huh? news.aioe.org is a public access nntp server, but not
    > specifically an anonymizer.


    However, it anonymises. Therefore it's an anonymiser. For contrast,
    for example, google groups is public access, but does not anonymise,
    and therefore is not an anonymiser.

    I notice where you're posting from. I didn't expect particularly
    deep understanding of the matter.

    Phil
    --
    If GML was an infant, SGML is the bright youngster far exceeds
    expectations and made its parents too proud, but XML is the
    drug-addicted gang member who had committed his first murder
    before he had sex, which was rape. -- Erik Naggum (1965-2009)
    Phil Carmody, Jul 22, 2009
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  4. Phil Carmody

    Guest

    On Jul 22, 12:36 pm, Phil Carmody <>
    wrote:
    > John Doe <> writes:
    > > Phil Carmody wrote:
    > >> herbal tea <> writes:
    > >>> My

    >
    > >> You post through an anonymiser. You are nobody.

    >
    > >> Phil

    >
    > > Huh? news.aioe.org is a public access nntp server, but not
    > > specifically an anonymizer.

    >
    > However, it anonymises. Therefore it's an anonymiser. For contrast,
    > for example, google groups is public access, but does not anonymise,
    > and therefore is not an anonymiser.
    >
    > I notice where you're posting from. I didn't expect particularly
    > deep understanding of the matter.
    >
    > Phil



    You win. I'm sure there is no way of abusing Google ...
    , Jul 22, 2009
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  5. Phil Carmody <> writes:
    > John Doe <> writes:
    >> Phil Carmody wrote:
    >>> herbal tea <> writes:
    >>>> My
    >>>
    >>> You post through an anonymiser. You are nobody.
    >>>
    >>> Phil

    >>
    >> Huh? news.aioe.org is a public access nntp server, but not
    >> specifically an anonymizer.

    >
    > However, it anonymises. Therefore it's an anonymiser. For contrast,
    > for example, google groups is public access, but does not anonymise,
    > and therefore is not an anonymiser.


    aioe.org is not specifically an anonymizer. It's an ordinary Usenet
    server. I used to use it myself, before I switched to motzarella (now
    eternal-september). It's no more an anonymizer than any other Usenet
    server that doesn't demand proof of identity from all its users.

    I agree (figuratively) with your assessment of this "herbal tea"
    character, but the server he uses to post simply has nothing to do
    with it. For that matter, neither does his use of a pseudonym; some
    valuable contributors to this group post under pseudonyms.

    [snip]

    --
    Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Nokia
    "We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
    Keith Thompson, Jul 22, 2009
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  6. Phil Carmody

    Phil Carmody Guest

    Keith Thompson <> writes:
    > Phil Carmody <> writes:
    >> John Doe <> writes:
    >>> Phil Carmody wrote:
    >>>> herbal tea <> writes:
    >>>>> My
    >>>>
    >>>> You post through an anonymiser. You are nobody.
    >>>>
    >>>> Phil
    >>>
    >>> Huh? news.aioe.org is a public access nntp server, but not
    >>> specifically an anonymizer.

    >>
    >> However, it anonymises. Therefore it's an anonymiser. For contrast,
    >> for example, google groups is public access, but does not anonymise,
    >> and therefore is not an anonymiser.

    >
    > aioe.org is not specifically an anonymizer.


    It anonymises, therefore it's an anonymiser.

    > It's an ordinary Usenet
    > server.


    No it is not. It strips all the source information that is conventionally
    passed on by most Usenet servers.

    > I used to use it myself, before I switched to motzarella (now
    > eternal-september). It's no more an anonymizer than any other Usenet
    > server that doesn't demand proof of identity from all its users.


    One strips away identifying information from the sender, the other
    passes it on (albeit encoded). Look at all that base64 stuff crammed
    into your headers - that links back to you. In aioe's, there's no such
    information. Google 'non-repudiation'; x/p to sci.crypt if you have
    to.

    > I agree (figuratively) with your assessment of this "herbal tea"
    > character, but the server he uses to post simply has nothing to do
    > with it.


    We'll have to agree to disagree for the reasons in my previous
    paragraph.

    > For that matter, neither does his use of a pseudonym; some
    > valuable contributors to this group post under pseudonyms.


    I have no issue with pseudonymity. I was christened neither 'Phil'
    nor 'FatPhil'. OK, it's pretty trivial to work out what I was
    christened, but they're both still handles of my own chosing.

    Phil
    --
    If GML was an infant, SGML is the bright youngster far exceeds
    expectations and made its parents too proud, but XML is the
    drug-addicted gang member who had committed his first murder
    before he had sex, which was rape. -- Erik Naggum (1965-2009)
    Phil Carmody, Jul 22, 2009
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  7. Phil Carmody

    user1 Guest

    Phil Carmody wrote:

    >
    > One strips away identifying information from the sender, the other
    > passes it on (albeit encoded). Look at all that base64 stuff crammed
    > into your headers - that links back to you. In aioe's, there's no such
    > information. Google 'non-repudiation'; x/p to sci.crypt if you have
    > to.
    >


    I use both aioe and eternal-september. Please explain in more detail how
    they differ.

    I see some gobble-dee-gook following X-Trace in Keith's post, which I
    presume is the base64 stuff you refer to.

    I also see some weirdness in my previous post from aioe, specifically
    NNTP-Posting-Host: I63sLWB8ad0fKd5y5QdAXA.user.aioe.org. Did they
    somehow encode the ip address I posted from ? If so, that might break
    your claim that they are an anonymizer.

    It looks like Google passes an ip address unmunged in NNTP-Posting-Host,
    so you can tell immediately where Captain Kirk posted from.
    user1, Jul 23, 2009
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  8. Phil Carmody

    Phil Carmody Guest

    user1 <> writes:
    > Phil Carmody wrote:
    >> One strips away identifying information from the sender, the other
    >> passes it on (albeit encoded). Look at all that base64 stuff crammed
    >> into your headers - that links back to you. In aioe's, there's no
    >> such
    >> information. Google 'non-repudiation'; x/p to sci.crypt if you have
    >> to.

    >
    > I use both aioe and eternal-september. Please explain in more detail
    > how they differ.
    >
    > I see some gobble-dee-gook following X-Trace in Keith's post, which I
    > presume is the base64 stuff you refer to.
    >
    > I also see some weirdness in my previous post from aioe, specifically
    > NNTP-Posting-Host: I63sLWB8ad0fKd5y5QdAXA.user.aioe.org. Did they
    > somehow encode the ip address I posted from ? If so, that might break
    > your claim that they are an anonymizer.


    They might do. If so, that's new. Possibly appeared after one of
    the sporgery attacks that they were in part responsible for last
    year. If they've made themselves less attractive to sporgers, then
    good on them. I'd have to see how it behaves before I can evaluate
    whether it provides non-repudiation or not.

    > It looks like Google passes an ip address unmunged in
    > NNTP-Posting-Host, so you can tell immediately where Captain Kirk
    > posted from.


    Exactly. Possibly the only positive thing I can say about googoogroups
    is that it does so. Of course, there's nothing stopping one from using
    an anonymising web proxy to access googoogroups, but in that case I
    would still assert that the poster was using an anonymiser.

    Phil
    --
    If GML was an infant, SGML is the bright youngster far exceeds
    expectations and made its parents too proud, but XML is the
    drug-addicted gang member who had committed his first murder
    before he had sex, which was rape. -- Erik Naggum (1965-2009)
    Phil Carmody, Jul 23, 2009
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  9. On 23 Jul 2009 at 6:37, Phil Carmody wrote:
    > user1 <> writes:

    [on aioe]
    > Possibly appeared after one of the sporgery attacks that they were in
    > part responsible for last year. If they've made themselves less
    > attractive to sporgers, then good on them.


    Interesting that you choose to spew out your nasty slander under your
    own name.

    Aioe has /always/ had a limit (20 posts per day IIRC) on the number of
    posts it accepts from each IP address. Any sporge attacks through them
    would have to come from a botnet, but the botnets invariably seem to use
    Google instead.
    Antoninus Twink, Jul 26, 2009
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