Re: More on debuggers

Discussion in 'C Programming' started by Chris H, Dec 1, 2010.

  1. Chris H

    Chris H Guest

    In message <id3ll8$c7a$-september.org>, Richard
    <> writes
    >
    >Despite the luminaries here telling us that debuggers are useless and
    >that its twice as hard to debug a program as is it is write code
    >properly the first time, I thought some of you might enjoy this
    >
    >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3897010229726822034#
    >
    >This Stanford lecturer agrees with me : debuggers help you track state
    >and force test conditions in a controlled manner. Obviously he's not as
    >smart as the people here who claim they prefer to read a print out .....


    However his claims he is the first to do it are wron. I have used
    several commercial systems over a decade ago that could do what he is
    claiming to have done first.
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    Chris H, Dec 1, 2010
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  2. Chris H

    Ian Collins Guest

    On 12/ 1/10 09:01 PM, Chris H wrote:
    > In message<id3ll8$c7a$-september.org>, Richard
    > <> writes
    >>
    >> Despite the luminaries here telling us that debuggers are useless and
    >> that its twice as hard to debug a program as is it is write code
    >> properly the first time, I thought some of you might enjoy this
    >>
    >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3897010229726822034#
    >>
    >> This Stanford lecturer agrees with me : debuggers help you track state
    >> and force test conditions in a controlled manner. Obviously he's not as
    >> smart as the people here who claim they prefer to read a print out .....

    >
    > However his claims he is the first to do it are wron. I have used
    > several commercial systems over a decade ago that could do what he is
    > claiming to have done first.


    I've done what he describes with a hardware trace buffer way back when,
    but not until recently with a software solution.

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    Ian Collins, Dec 1, 2010
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  3. Chris H

    Chris H Guest

    In message <>, Ian Collins <ian-
    > writes
    >On 12/ 1/10 09:01 PM, Chris H wrote:
    >> In message<id3ll8$c7a$-september.org>, Richard
    >> <> writes
    >>>
    >>> Despite the luminaries here telling us that debuggers are useless and
    >>> that its twice as hard to debug a program as is it is write code
    >>> properly the first time, I thought some of you might enjoy this
    >>>
    >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3897010229726822034#
    >>>
    >>> This Stanford lecturer agrees with me : debuggers help you track state
    >>> and force test conditions in a controlled manner. Obviously he's not as
    >>> smart as the people here who claim they prefer to read a print out .....

    >>
    >> However his claims he is the first to do it are wron. I have used
    >> several commercial systems over a decade ago that could do what he is
    >> claiming to have done first.

    >
    >I've done what he describes with a hardware trace buffer way back when,
    >but not until recently with a software solution.
    >


    Software solutions tended to be easier than the hardware ones. The
    Hardware Emulators had to reveres all the target hardware as well Though
    even that was being done over a decided ago.



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    Chris H, Dec 1, 2010
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  4. Chris H

    Chris H Guest

    In message <id5l6o$961$-september.org>, Richard
    <> writes
    >Chris H <> writes:
    >
    >> In message <id3ll8$c7a$-september.org>, Richard
    >> <> writes
    >>>
    >>>Despite the luminaries here telling us that debuggers are useless and
    >>>that its twice as hard to debug a program as is it is write code
    >>>properly the first time, I thought some of you might enjoy this
    >>>
    >>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3897010229726822034#
    >>>
    >>>This Stanford lecturer agrees with me : debuggers help you track state
    >>>and force test conditions in a controlled manner. Obviously he's not as
    >>>smart as the people here who claim they prefer to read a print out .....

    >>
    >> However his claims he is the first to do it are wron. I have used
    >> several commercial systems over a decade ago that could do what he is
    >> claiming to have done first.

    >
    >He didn't claim to be first. In fact he went out of his way to stress he
    >wasn't first.


    Fair enough.... I stopped watching after he said he was the first to do
    it in the introduction.

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    Chris H, Dec 1, 2010
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  5. Chris H

    Chris H Guest

    In message <id5mom$e79$-september.org>, Richard
    <> writes
    >Chris H <> writes:
    >
    >> In message <id5l6o$961$-september.org>, Richard
    >> <> writes
    >>>Chris H <> writes:
    >>>
    >>>> In message <id3ll8$c7a$-september.org>, Richard
    >>>> <> writes
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Despite the luminaries here telling us that debuggers are useless and
    >>>>>that its twice as hard to debug a program as is it is write code
    >>>>>properly the first time, I thought some of you might enjoy this
    >>>>>
    >>>>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3897010229726822034#
    >>>>>
    >>>>>This Stanford lecturer agrees with me : debuggers help you track state
    >>>>>and force test conditions in a controlled manner. Obviously he's not as
    >>>>>smart as the people here who claim they prefer to read a print out .....
    >>>>
    >>>> However his claims he is the first to do it are wron. I have used
    >>>> several commercial systems over a decade ago that could do what he is
    >>>> claiming to have done first.
    >>>
    >>>He didn't claim to be first. In fact he went out of his way to stress he
    >>>wasn't first.

    >>
    >> Fair enough.... I stopped watching after he said he was the first to do
    >> it in the introduction.

    >
    >In fairness to you he says he's the first to make it efficient
    >(recording of state).


    Then unless he did it over 15 years ago he is wrong.

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    Chris H, Dec 1, 2010
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