Re: Python conference slogan

Discussion in 'Python' started by Kyler Laird, Apr 1, 2004.

  1. Kyler Laird

    Kyler Laird Guest

    Shane Hathaway <> writes:

    >I don't know if international folks will
    >get it, though. :)


    If they don't, we just send in troops to explain it
    to them, right?

    --kyler
     
    Kyler Laird, Apr 1, 2004
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    Peter Maas Guest

    Kyler Laird wrote:
    > Shane Hathaway <> writes:
    >
    >
    >>I don't know if international folks will
    >>get it, though. :)

    >
    >
    > If they don't, we just send in troops to explain it
    > to them, right?


    I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One
    Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find the
    source, only echoes (seems to be a wide spread joke pattern in the
    US). Care to give us ignorants a hint?

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    Peter Maas, Apr 1, 2004
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    Aahz Guest

    In article <c4glmq$j1i$>,
    Peter Maas <> wrote:
    >
    >I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One
    >Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find the
    >source, only echoes (seems to be a wide spread joke pattern in the
    >US). Care to give us ignorants a hint?


    It's from the Pledge of Allegiance:

    I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
    and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God,
    indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

    The "under under" part of course refers to Python's special methods.

    See also http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm

    IIRC, there's currently a court case to remove the "under God" part.
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    Aahz, Apr 1, 2004
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  4. But it still doesn't explain the joke (was: Python conference slogan)

    In article <c4h6ad$lu0$>, Aahz <> wrote:
    .
    .
    .
    >IIRC, there's currently a court case to remove the "under God" part.

    .
    .
    .
    In the litigious US, court cases for everything are unceasing. What
    I suspect you have in mind is a Supreme Court hearing for a father
    who, if I understand correctly, claims his religious freedom as an
    atheist unconstitutionally impaired because of a requirement imposed
    by the public school his daughter attends that she recite The Pledge
    <URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2097737/ >.

    More background appears at <URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2067499/ >.
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    Cameron Laird, Apr 1, 2004
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    Peter Hansen Guest

    OT (was Re: But it still doesn't explain the joke)

    Cameron Laird wrote:
    > In the litigious US, court cases for everything are unceasing. What
    > I suspect you have in mind is a Supreme Court hearing for a father
    > who, if I understand correctly, claims his religious freedom as an
    > atheist unconstitutionally impaired because of a requirement imposed
    > by the public school his daughter attends that she recite The Pledge
    > <URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2097737/ >.
    >
    > More background appears at <URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2067499/ >.


    Without following the links to verify, I'll just note (since I
    was reading this on the subway while heading for the PyCon venue)
    that the recitation is apparently not even mandatory (for the girl)
    but the father was objecting that she would even have to stand
    there and listen to it. (I don't know what the "rules" say, but
    the school representative said the girl didn't even have to say
    the pledge.)

    -Peter
     
    Peter Hansen, Apr 1, 2004
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  6. Kyler Laird

    simo Guest

    Peter Maas <> wrote:

    > I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One
    > Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find the
    > source, only echoes (seems to be a wide spread joke pattern in the
    > US). Care to give us ignorants a hint?


    Yeah, as an Englishman, I don't get it either (despite living in the US).

    Is it some sort of Bush/Iraq joke again (Americans are obsessed with them)?

    What about, "Don't be constricted by Java, try Python"?
     
    simo, Apr 1, 2004
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  7. Kyler Laird

    Peter Maas Guest

    Aahz wrote:
    > It's from the Pledge of Allegiance:
    >
    > I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
    > and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God,
    > indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
    >
    > The "under under" part of course refers to Python's special methods.


    Ah, thanks. That was the hard part: under -> underscore.
    "Under under" made me think of spluttering :)

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    Peter Maas, Apr 1, 2004
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  8. simo wrote:
    > Peter Maas <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One
    >>Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find the
    >>source, only echoes (seems to be a wide spread joke pattern in the
    >>US). Care to give us ignorants a hint?

    >
    >
    > Yeah, as an Englishman, I don't get it either (despite living in the US).


    Ok, it's definitely not good. It's a cross between the U.S. Pledge of
    Allegience and Python's use of double-underscores. It was *not*
    intended to suggest that Python replaces deity. ;-)

    Any creative suggestions?

    Shane
     
    Shane Hathaway, Apr 1, 2004
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  9. Kyler Laird

    Ville Vainio Guest

    >>>>> "Shane" == Shane Hathaway <> writes:

    >>> I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One
    >>> Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find the


    Shane> Ok, it's definitely not good. It's a cross between the
    Shane> U.S. Pledge of Allegience and Python's use of
    Shane> double-underscores. It was *not* intended to suggest that
    Shane> Python replaces deity. ;-)

    Actually, it seems to bring up mostly fascistic connotations, esp. if
    you are not American. Throw in the fact that we like to refer to Guido
    as BDFL, and you are conveying a very unfortunate image ;-).

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    Ville Vainio, Apr 1, 2004
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    Neil Benn Guest

    Hello,

    What about:-

    'He's not a static type, he's a very naughty variable' - Life of Brian
    'Code Away, Code Away, Code Away' - from Run Away in Holy Grail
    'Number 3, the Python' - from the larch sketch
    'We are the coders who say nee' - from the knight in the holy grail
    'Good god man, I've thrown you an exception It's nothing a mere
    NoneType' holy grail again

    The joy of being English is you grow up with this stuff!

    Cheers,

    Neil

    Shane Hathaway wrote:

    > simo wrote:
    >
    >> Peter Maas <> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it (One
    >>> Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find the
    >>> source, only echoes (seems to be a wide spread joke pattern in the
    >>> US). Care to give us ignorants a hint?

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Yeah, as an Englishman, I don't get it either (despite living in the
    >> US).

    >
    >
    > Ok, it's definitely not good. It's a cross between the U.S. Pledge of
    > Allegience and Python's use of double-underscores. It was *not*
    > intended to suggest that Python replaces deity. ;-)
    >
    > Any creative suggestions?
    >
    > Shane
    >


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    Neil Benn, Apr 2, 2004
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  11. Kyler Laird

    Peter Maas Guest

    Neil Benn wrote:
    > 'We are the coders who say nee' - from the knight in the holy grail
    > 'Good god man, I've thrown you an exception It's nothing a mere
    > NoneType' holy grail again
    >
    > The joy of being English is you grow up with this stuff!


    These slogans are meaningless to (Monty) Python outsiders. As I
    understand this thread there is a need for a slogan that is short,
    not too hard to understand and unforgettable (probably a definition
    of the word slogan). Python insiders don't need a slogan at all.

    Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

    Peter Maas

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    Peter Maas, Apr 2, 2004
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  12. Kyler Laird

    Peter Maas Guest

    Peter Maas wrote:
    > As Iunderstand this thread there is a need for a slogan that is short,
    > not too hard to understand and unforgettable (probably a definition
    > of the word slogan). Python insiders don't need a slogan at all.


    Something like

    - Python - there's no better way to code.
    [stolen from: Lufthansa - there's no better way to fly]

    - Your brain would choose Python.
    [stolen from: Your cat would by Whiskas :)]

    - Python fits your brain.

    - Unleash your brain with Python.

    - Python - the natural programming language

    Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

    Peter Maas

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    Peter Maas, Apr 2, 2004
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    Peter Maas Guest

    Peter Maas wrote:
    > [stolen from: Your cat would by Whiskas :)]

    correction: [stolen from: Your cat would BUY Whiskas :)] :)

    Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

    Peter Maas

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    Peter Maas, Apr 2, 2004
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    Peter Maas Guest

    Peter Maas wrote:
    > - Unleash your brain with Python.


    - Unchain your brain with Python.
    [stolen from Joe Cockers 'Unchain my heart']

    - Unbrace yourself with Python.

    - Python - think without braces

    That's all. Now I'm going to do something useful. :)

    Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

    Peter Maas

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    Peter Maas, Apr 2, 2004
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  15. "Python - where whitespace matters"
    "Python - king of the snake pit"

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    Leif B. Kristensen, Apr 2, 2004
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    Peter Hansen Guest

    Peter Maas wrote:
    [slogans]

    - Wrap Python around your problem and crush it.
     
    Peter Hansen, Apr 2, 2004
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  17. Peter Maas <> writes:

    > These slogans are meaningless to (Monty) Python outsiders. As I
    > understand this thread there is a need for a slogan that is short,
    > not too hard to understand and unforgettable (probably a definition
    > of the word slogan). Python insiders don't need a slogan at all.


    A previous slogan was:

    Python: Programming the way Guido indented it.

    Pretty meaningless to Python outsiders, I'd say.
     
    Jacek Generowicz, Apr 2, 2004
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  18. Kyler Laird

    Peter Maas Guest

    Jacek Generowicz wrote:
    > Peter Maas <> writes:
    >
    >
    >>These slogans are meaningless to (Monty) Python outsiders.

    [..]
    > A previous slogan was:
    >
    > Python: Programming the way Guido indented it.
    >
    > Pretty meaningless to Python outsiders, I'd say.


    No. Because an outsider will read 'intended it', at least I did.
    And that's not wrong, either :) The first poster (at least in my
    news reader) didn't tell anything about the purpose. For me a
    slogan's purpose is advertising and it's useless to advertise
    Python to people who like it already.

    Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

    Peter Maas

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    Terry Reedy Guest

    "Ville Vainio" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > >>>>> "Shane" == Shane Hathaway <> writes:

    >
    > >>> I surrender immediately and have to admit that I don't get it

    (One
    > >>> Nation Under Under Python). Google was no help. I couldn't find

    the
    >
    > Shane> Ok, it's definitely not good. It's a cross between the
    > Shane> U.S. Pledge of Allegience and Python's use of
    > Shane> double-underscores. It was *not* intended to suggest that
    > Shane> Python replaces deity. ;-)
    >
    > Actually, it seems to bring up mostly fascistic connotations, esp. if
    > you are not American. Throw in the fact that we like to refer to Guido
    > as BDFL, and you are conveying a very unfortunate image ;-).


    I originally read this as "One Nation Under Python". As an American
    somewhat amused by the current court case and concurrent fuss, I thought
    this a bit funny (but not as a serious proposal). The double under version
    doesn't do anything for me, but that is perhaps because I do not mentally
    sound out __.

    I'll bypass discussion of the socialist/fascist aspects.

    Terry J. Reedy
     
    Terry Reedy, Apr 2, 2004
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  20. Kyler Laird

    Aahz Guest

    In article <c4jm1k$hs1$>,
    Peter Maas <> wrote:
    >
    >- Unbrace yourself with Python.
    >
    >- Python - think without braces


    Someone (ESR? -- I know I've seen him wear it) made a t-shirt that says,
    "Life's better without braces".
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    Aahz, Apr 2, 2004
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