Re: Stupid question

Discussion in 'HTML' started by richard, Aug 6, 2012.

  1. richard

    richard Guest

    On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 22:12:18 -0700, Robert Baer wrote:

    > Out of context code snippet first:
    > ** QUOTE **
    > <div class="clear"></div>
    > <div class="slider">
    > <div class="flexslider">
    > <ul class="slides">
    > <li class="sl1">
    > <!--[if lt IE 11]>
    > <img src="images/SLIDER1.JPG" alt="Codatron&trade;">
    > <![else]
    > <img src="images/Codatron.png" alt="Codatron&trade;">
    > <![endif]-->
    > <div class="caption">
    > <div class="text1"></div>
    > <div class="text2">Codatron&trade; Regulator</div>
    > <p>Our regulator is so quiet that the charge amplifiers used
    > with the photomultipliers need no shielding during bench testing.</p>
    > <a href="index-3.html">Read More</a>
    > </div>
    > </li>
    > <!--[if lt IE 11]>
    > <li class="sl2">
    > <img src="images/SLIDER2.JPG" alt="RoHS">
    > <div class="caption">
    > <div class="text1">Reduction of</div>
    > <div class="text2">Hazardous Substances</div>
    > <p>All of our high voltage regulators were
    > ** END QUOTE **
    > If i edit out all of the IF..ENDIF code and use only one of the <img
    > src="images/etc lines, it "works" reasonably well.
    > That is to say most browsers more-or-less renders the code as one
    > might like (am ignoring that the width goes from the desired 800DPI to
    > as much as 1000DPI and shuffles image and text blocks around).
    > Q:
    > Why does that added code alter how the browser renders things (by
    > hiding the top image and related text)?


    I see it like this:
    I don't give a damn about how any browser displays things.
    As long as my code validates, and it functions the way I want, I'm done.
    I'm not going to satisfy every browser out there.

    M$ and AOL have their own little worlds they play in and they don't give a
    damn about any rules but their own.

    Hell,I'd like to use visual basic on my sites but I can't because VB only
    works in IE. Because nobody else recognizes it.
     
    richard, Aug 6, 2012
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  2. richard

    richard Guest

    On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:48:01 -0700, Robert Baer wrote:

    > richard wrote:
    >> On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 22:12:18 -0700, Robert Baer wrote:
    >>
    >>> Out of context code snippet first:
    >>> ** QUOTE **
    >>> <div class="clear"></div>
    >>> <div class="slider">
    >>> <div class="flexslider">
    >>> <ul class="slides">
    >>> <li class="sl1">
    >>> <!--[if lt IE 11]>
    >>> <img src="images/SLIDER1.JPG" alt="Codatron&trade;">
    >>> <![else]
    >>> <img src="images/Codatron.png" alt="Codatron&trade;">
    >>> <![endif]-->
    >>> <div class="caption">
    >>> <div class="text1"></div>
    >>> <div class="text2">Codatron&trade; Regulator</div>
    >>> <p>Our regulator is so quiet that the charge amplifiers used
    >>> with the photomultipliers need no shielding during bench testing.</p>
    >>> <a href="index-3.html">Read More</a>
    >>> </div>
    >>> </li>
    >>> <!--[if lt IE 11]>
    >>> <li class="sl2">
    >>> <img src="images/SLIDER2.JPG" alt="RoHS">
    >>> <div class="caption">
    >>> <div class="text1">Reduction of</div>
    >>> <div class="text2">Hazardous Substances</div>
    >>> <p>All of our high voltage regulators were
    >>> ** END QUOTE **
    >>> If i edit out all of the IF..ENDIF code and use only one of the<img
    >>> src="images/etc lines, it "works" reasonably well.
    >>> That is to say most browsers more-or-less renders the code as one
    >>> might like (am ignoring that the width goes from the desired 800DPI to
    >>> as much as 1000DPI and shuffles image and text blocks around).
    >>> Q:
    >>> Why does that added code alter how the browser renders things (by
    >>> hiding the top image and related text)?

    >>
    >> I see it like this:
    >> I don't give a damn about how any browser displays things.
    >> As long as my code validates, and it functions the way I want, I'm done.
    >> I'm not going to satisfy every browser out there.
    >>
    >> M$ and AOL have their own little worlds they play in and they don't give a
    >> damn about any rules but their own.
    >>
    >> Hell,I'd like to use visual basic on my sites but I can't because VB only
    >> works in IE. Because nobody else recognizes it.

    > Well, now if you had a website and would like to attract potential
    > customers, your attitude would change a whole lot, especially when you
    > discover that various well-used browsers were screwing up the image you
    > want to present.


    show me the actual web page and I'll give you a better answer.
     
    richard, Aug 6, 2012
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  3. richard

    Tim W Guest

    On 06/08/2012 09:48, Robert Baer wrote:
    > richard wrote:
    >> On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 22:12:18 -0700, Robert Baer wrote:
    >>
    >>> Out of context code snippet first:
    >>> ** QUOTE **
    >>> <div class="clear"></div>
    >>> <div class="slider">
    >>> <div class="flexslider">
    >>> <ul class="slides">
    >>> <li class="sl1">
    >>> <!--[if lt IE 11]>
    >>> <img src="images/SLIDER1.JPG" alt="Codatron&trade;">
    >>> <![else]
    >>> <img src="images/Codatron.png" alt="Codatron&trade;">
    >>> <![endif]-->
    >>> <div class="caption">
    >>> <div class="text1"></div>
    >>> <div class="text2">Codatron&trade; Regulator</div>
    >>> <p>Our regulator is so quiet that the charge amplifiers used
    >>> with the photomultipliers need no shielding during bench testing.</p>
    >>> <a href="index-3.html">Read More</a>
    >>> </div>
    >>> </li>
    >>> <!--[if lt IE 11]>
    >>> <li class="sl2">
    >>> <img src="images/SLIDER2.JPG" alt="RoHS">
    >>> <div class="caption">
    >>> <div class="text1">Reduction of</div>
    >>> <div class="text2">Hazardous Substances</div>
    >>> <p>All of our high voltage regulators were
    >>> ** END QUOTE **
    >>> If i edit out all of the IF..ENDIF code and use only one of the<img
    >>> src="images/etc lines, it "works" reasonably well.
    >>> That is to say most browsers more-or-less renders the code as one
    >>> might like (am ignoring that the width goes from the desired 800DPI to
    >>> as much as 1000DPI and shuffles image and text blocks around).
    >>> Q:
    >>> Why does that added code alter how the browser renders things (by
    >>> hiding the top image and related text)?

    >>
    >> I see it like this:
    >> I don't give a damn about how any browser displays things.
    >> As long as my code validates, and it functions the way I want, I'm done.
    >> I'm not going to satisfy every browser out there.
    >>
    >> M$ and AOL have their own little worlds they play in and they don't
    >> give a
    >> damn about any rules but their own.
    >>
    >> Hell,I'd like to use visual basic on my sites but I can't because VB only
    >> works in IE. Because nobody else recognizes it.

    > Well, now if you had a website and would like to attract potential
    > customers, your attitude would change a whole lot, especially when you
    > discover that various well-used browsers were screwing up the image you
    > want to present.
    >


    My son told me that when he used IE sometimes you would go to a site and
    instead of the index page you would get something to the effect of

    "We don't bother with IE users. Go away and don't come back until you
    have a proper browser"

    I would like to know how you would implement that.

    Tim w
     
    Tim W, Aug 8, 2012
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  4. richard

    dorayme Guest

    In article <jvte94$tcg$>,
    Tim W <> wrote:

    > My son told me that when he used IE sometimes you would go to a site and
    > instead of the index page you would get something to the effect of
    >
    > "We don't bother with IE users. Go away and don't come back until you
    > have a proper browser"
    >
    > I would like to know how you would implement that.


    You can try to do something like

    <http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/OneThingForIE_anotherForOthers/html.ht
    ml>

    For MacIE, there would be more work to be done. My internet connection
    is playing up for now and I cannot test any of this properly.

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Aug 8, 2012
    #4
  5. dorayme wrote:
    > In article <jvte94$tcg$>,
    > Tim W <> wrote:
    >
    >> My son told me that when he used IE sometimes you would go to a site and
    >> instead of the index page you would get something to the effect of
    >>
    >> "We don't bother with IE users. Go away and don't come back until you
    >> have a proper browser"
    >>
    >> I would like to know how you would implement that.

    >
    > You can try to do something like
    >
    > <http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/OneThingForIE_anotherForOthers/html.ht
    > ml>
    >


    Isn't there a way to get your Mac to wrap URLs without breaking them?

    <http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/OneThingForIE_anotherForOthers/html.html>

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, Aug 8, 2012
    #5
  6. richard

    Tim Streater Guest

    In article <jvtmsf$cgv$>,
    "Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote:

    > dorayme wrote:
    > > In article <jvte94$tcg$>,
    > > Tim W <> wrote:
    > >
    > >> My son told me that when he used IE sometimes you would go to a site and
    > >> instead of the index page you would get something to the effect of
    > >>
    > >> "We don't bother with IE users. Go away and don't come back until you
    > >> have a proper browser"
    > >>
    > >> I would like to know how you would implement that.

    > >
    > > You can try to do something like
    > >
    > > <http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/OneThingForIE_anotherForOthers/html.ht
    > > ml>

    >
    > Isn't there a way to get your Mac to wrap URLs without breaking them?
    >
    > <http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/OneThingForIE_anotherForOthers/html.html>


    That's what the angle brackets are for; with those, a proper news reader
    can deal with the URL even if it *is* wrapped.

    --
    Tim

    "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
    nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
     
    Tim Streater, Aug 8, 2012
    #6
  7. Tim Streater wrote:
    > In article <jvtmsf$cgv$>,
    > "Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote:
    >
    >> dorayme wrote:
    >> > In article <jvte94$tcg$>,
    >> > Tim W <> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> My son told me that when he used IE sometimes you would go to a

    >> site and
    >> >> instead of the index page you would get something to the effect of
    >> >>
    >> >> "We don't bother with IE users. Go away and don't come back until you
    >> >> have a proper browser"
    >> >>
    >> >> I would like to know how you would implement that.
    >> >
    >> > You can try to do something like
    >> >
    >> > <http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/OneThingForIE_anotherForOthers/html.ht
    >> > ml>

    >>
    >> Isn't there a way to get your Mac to wrap URLs without breaking them?
    >>
    >> <http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/OneThingForIE_anotherForOthers/html.html>
    >>

    >
    > That's what the angle brackets are for; with those, a proper news reader
    > can deal with the URL even if it *is* wrapped.
    >


    But my point was dorayme original URL had <> angle brackets but the URL
    was not wrapped but instead has a hard return which breaks the URL which
    is visible in quotes above

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, Aug 8, 2012
    #7
  8. richard

    Jonathan Guest

    Jonathan, Aug 8, 2012
    #8
  9. On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:16:12 +0100, Tim W <>
    wrote:

    [snip]

    >My son told me that when he used IE sometimes you would go to a site and
    >instead of the index page you would get something to the effect of
    >
    >"We don't bother with IE users. Go away and don't come back until you
    >have a proper browser"
    >
    >I would like to know how you would implement that.


    Why bother antagonising people? I prefer Firefox myself, but if
    I ran across anything like that for any browser, I would avoid the
    site.

    Sincerely,

    Gene Wirchenko
     
    Gene Wirchenko, Aug 8, 2012
    #9
  10. richard

    P E Schoen Guest

    "Gene Wirchenko" wrote in message
    news:...

    > Why bother antagonising people? I prefer Firefox myself,
    > but if I ran across anything like that for any browser, I would
    > avoid the site.


    Good point. I agree. It may be better to put a banner on the website saying
    that Firefox or other non-IE browser is highly recommended for proper
    viewing. Maybe there is a way to detect that a certain feature is not
    working or displaying properly, or just detect IE and display accordingly. I
    spent some time last night searching for why my web page and JavaScript
    didn't work in IE9 and I found these references which further intensified my
    dismay with IE9 and Microsoft:

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc288325(v=VS.85).aspx
    http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Fo...t/thread/be5a8531-cb70-444b-9a38-69eb07fbe7f3
    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/03/24/ie9-s-document-modes-and-javascript.aspx

    Paul
     
    P E Schoen, Aug 8, 2012
    #10
  11. richard

    Tim W Guest

    On 08/08/2012 17:57, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
    > On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:16:12 +0100, Tim W <>
    > wrote:
    >
    > [snip]
    >
    >> My son told me that when he used IE sometimes you would go to a site and
    >> instead of the index page you would get something to the effect of
    >>
    >> "We don't bother with IE users. Go away and don't come back until you
    >> have a proper browser"
    >>
    >> I would like to know how you would implement that.

    >
    > Why bother antagonising people? I prefer Firefox myself, but if
    > I ran across anything like that for any browser, I would avoid the
    > site.
    >


    It would indeed be contrary to my genial nature to antagonise, but I
    might just not feel like putting in the work to make up for IE's
    shortcomings, and I might prefer that my site doesn't display at all
    rather than have it display half cocked (like it does now).

    Tim w
     
    Tim W, Aug 8, 2012
    #11
  12. richard

    dorayme Guest

    In article <jvtmsf$cgv$>,
    "Jonathan N. Little" <> wrote:

    > dorayme wrote:
    > > In article <jvte94$tcg$>,
    > > Tim W <> wrote:
    > >
    > >> My son told me that when he used IE sometimes you would go to a site and
    > >> instead of the index page you would get something to the effect of
    > >>
    > >> "We don't bother with IE users. Go away and don't come back until you
    > >> have a proper browser"
    > >>
    > >> I would like to know how you would implement that.

    > >
    > > You can try to do something like
    > >
    > > <http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/OneThingForIE_anotherForOthers/html.ht
    > > ml>
    > >

    >
    > Isn't there a way to get your Mac to wrap URLs without breaking them?
    >
    > <http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/OneThingForIE_anotherForOthers/html.html>


    I can alter my newsreader's prefs. At the moment, I have the compose
    window wrap at 70. If I don't set some width I get scrollbars when
    typing and my words disappearing off left. Hard to live with and
    causes special problems for me due to that my words play up if they
    think I am not watching them at all times.

    I can alter the wrap to bigger either always or on particular
    occasions or just not use long urls. I will try to do the latter in
    future as I know this causes problems for some people, stitching
    together is not for everyone (I do it quite often when looking at urls
    that others have posted).

    The angle brackets work like a charm on my newsreader to fire up many
    a wrapped url.

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Aug 8, 2012
    #12
  13. In article <jvuib1$r9o$>, on Wed, 08 Aug 2012 21:31:29
    +0100, Tim W wrote:

    | On 08/08/2012 17:57, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
    | > On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:16:12 +0100, Tim W <>
    | > wrote:
    | >
    | > [snip]
    | >
    | >> My son told me that when he used IE sometimes you would go to a site and
    | >> instead of the index page you would get something to the effect of
    | >>
    | >> "We don't bother with IE users. Go away and don't come back until you
    | >> have a proper browser"
    | >>
    | >> I would like to know how you would implement that.
    | >
    | > Why bother antagonising people? I prefer Firefox myself, but if
    | > I ran across anything like that for any browser, I would avoid the
    | > site.
    | >
    |
    | It would indeed be contrary to my genial nature to antagonise, but I
    | might just not feel like putting in the work to make up for IE's
    | shortcomings, and I might prefer that my site doesn't display at all
    | rather than have it display half cocked (like it does now).
    |

    But it's not your site (if you are referring to
    www.biodanzasouthwest.co.uk). You just wrote it!

    It's the site of a dance teacher (who I happen to know personally and I'm
    sure would be upset to know it didn't work in 1/2 of all browsers...)

    Cheers,
    --
    David Postill
    Dance your Life - Biodanza in Alkmaar and Castricum, Holland - <http://www.danceyourlife.eu>
     
    David Postill, Aug 13, 2012
    #13
  14. richard

    Tim W Guest

    On 13/08/2012 14:58, David Postill wrote:
    > In article <jvuib1$r9o$>, on Wed, 08 Aug 2012 21:31:29
    > +0100, Tim W wrote:
    >
    > | On 08/08/2012 17:57, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
    > | > On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:16:12 +0100, Tim W <>
    > | > wrote:
    > | >
    > | > [snip]
    > | >
    > | >> My son told me that when he used IE sometimes you would go to a site and
    > | >> instead of the index page you would get something to the effect of
    > | >>
    > | >> "We don't bother with IE users. Go away and don't come back until you
    > | >> have a proper browser"
    > | >>
    > | >> I would like to know how you would implement that.
    > | >
    > | > Why bother antagonising people? I prefer Firefox myself, but if
    > | > I ran across anything like that for any browser, I would avoid the
    > | > site.
    > | >
    > |
    > | It would indeed be contrary to my genial nature to antagonise, but I
    > | might just not feel like putting in the work to make up for IE's
    > | shortcomings, and I might prefer that my site doesn't display at all
    > | rather than have it display half cocked (like it does now).
    > |
    >
    > But it's not your site (if you are referring to
    > www.biodanzasouthwest.co.uk). You just wrote it!
    >
    > It's the site of a dance teacher (who I happen to know personally and I'm
    > sure would be upset to know it didn't work in 1/2 of all browsers...)
    >
    > Cheers,
    >

    It's a small world!

    I didn't mean that site. You are right it isn't 'mine' in that sense. I
    do have a couple of sites which are 'mine' and are non-commercial.

    Tim W
     
    Tim W, Aug 13, 2012
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