Respect and Disappointment

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Curt Hibbs

Eric said:
I'd like to subscribe to your blog, but it seems that the RSS feeds are
all bloglines RSS feeds...

Yeah, they don't make it easy to find the RSS URL. It is:

http://www.bloglines.com/blog/CurtHibbs/rss

I'm going to cc this to ruby-talk in case other's are having the same
problem.

I really think I'm going to switch to another provider, because I want
people to be able to leave comments. I'm thinking about trying Google's
blogger.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a *free* weblog provider. I've also
thought about setting up Typo on my server, but I have a fairly slow
uplink bandwidth and I don't really want to clog that up.

Thanks,
Curt
 
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vruz

Does anyone have any suggestions for a *free* weblog provider. I've also
thought about setting up Typo on my server, but I have a fairly slow
uplink bandwidth and I don't really want to clog that up.

Typo is more like a full-blown (and complex) content management system
more appropriate for maybe an online publication, which seems to be a
different business than a blog.

On the other hand, the other option you suggest about using Blogger
(that's the name of the original 'blog' which then Google acquired)
may be too simple if you plan going beyond the traditional personal
blog. Blogger is probably best suited for personal blogs of an
individual or small group of friends.

If it's a ruby-related blog (as I assume it must probably be) and
given the number of fans of your work existing in the rubysphere I
feel confident you will probably be offered plenty of bandwidth and
disk space to run a blog written in Ruby.
(which is good for extensibility and scalability, I've heard :)

Keep up with the good work !
cheers,
vruz
 
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Matthias Luedtke

vruz said:
Typo is more like a full-blown (and complex) content management system
more appropriate for maybe an online publication, which seems to be a
different business than a blog.

I assume Curt is rather thinking of http://blog.leetsoft.com .

Kind regards,
Matthias
 
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Josef Pospisil

Hello Curt,

cause you don't have comments and David stop comments of this story,
I'll put my opinion here, even if everybody has this thread in ignored.

I fully agree with David and reaction like he is lame, unprofesional
and so are blind in my eyes. It was just his personal view (as I feel
it, but I'm not native speaker as you can see around, so maybe I've
missed something), and maybe reaction like this speaks more about
people writting it (and many of them are authorities for me). I think
that not so many people in our little software world are bigger
proffesinals and totaly seeing forward people like David is. We now
have (as I can see it) one of the best domain specific language for
free, do you think it should happen if David was using wintel? I'dont.

And for funding. I'm living in Czech Republic, and macs are sooo
expensive here (30pc more than in states) and wages are.... guess, but
year ago I've managed to get 12" PB from USA through one friend (funny
she was in Vegas on IBM yearly conference). It costs me half year work
in my university job, but I'm still feeling that it worth every penny
and I get my money back, from work I've done on it. Surely I could do
it on my freebsd machine too, but ... not with such leisure and
happiness. And with no flame, it's just like changing the way you work
on computer (butler, witch, growl ..), I feel like my computer is
working for me (same with ruby and rails), not that I'm working for
him. I think, that if I didn't buy one I never know about Rails, cause
I didn't have time to explore it.

So it's my really long, bad written, late.... and so comment. Sorry for
disturbing, it was just on my mind and I had to say. Even if I'm wrong.

See ya in Prague one day :). Do you know that czech republic has the
most advanced net (km/person) of railroads in the world?
 
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Richard Dale

Curt said:
I've finally started a blog. I really didn't want to go public with it
until I was sure I keep it up, but DHH posted a entry to his blog that I
feel compelled to comment on.

You can read about it on my blog:

http://www.bloglines.com/blog/CurtHibbs
I mainly use LinuxPPC on Macs. How many DHH brownie points do I score for
that?

I prefer using KDE 3.4 over Mac OS X for program development, and think the
Qt/KDE application framework is as good as Cocoa, even though I've spent 10
years as a professional NeXT/Objective-C programmer.

-- Richard
 
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Bill Atkins

Ridiculous. You're saying Rails (I'm assuming that's what you mean by
'best domain specific language for free') wouldn't exist if David used
Wintel? Please describe how these two concepts are related.

Curt Hibbs has a good point, and I think he was completely
professional about it. David's post _was_ pretty arrogant. I
personally don't like OS X. I don't like the idea of having to run my
OS only on proprietary hardware. Nor do I like the Apple (and Gems)
method of giving applications separate directories. And to be honest,
I'm not all that impressed with OS X's interface, as crazy as that
might sound. I'm not going to "get over it" and switch. I've used OS
X computers and they're not for me. I'm sure others have had similar
experiences. And I'm sure others have used OS X and loved it. Good
for them.

The fact is, you pick the environment you're most productive in and
you leave it at that. Curt Hibbs and I (and whoever else) have a
right to be bothered by the article. Paul Graham says a lot of
things; his opinion about what "the best hackers" use isn't really a
solid reason for me to consider shelling out a few thousand dollars
for what, to me, is not an ideal system. David's post suggested that
everyone not using a Mac is being intentionally stubborn or stupid -
that they were too dumb to see that they should be moving to the Mac.
Curt Hibbs had a right to be frustrated, and I'm glad he brought it
up.

Bill Atkins

P.S. I would have posted this comment on LoudThinking, but the
comments have been closed there.
 
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Jim Burton

Ridiculous. You're saying Rails (I'm assuming that's what you mean by
'best domain specific language for free') wouldn't exist if David used
Wintel? Please describe how these two concepts are related.

Curt Hibbs has a good point, and I think he was completely
professional about it. David's post _was_ pretty arrogant. I
personally don't like OS X. I don't like the idea of having to run my
OS only on proprietary hardware. Nor do I like the Apple (and Gems)
method of giving applications separate directories. And to be honest,
I'm not all that impressed with OS X's interface, as crazy as that
might sound. I'm not going to "get over it" and switch.

[snip]

+1. Personally I have a stronger bias towards free software than to
slick design which is why I use a free OS - I could install that OS on
a mac but that would be like the windows tax * 5.

Either a very childish attitude or trolling.
 
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George Moschovitis

+1. Personally I have a stronger bias towards free software than to
slick design which is why I use a free OS - I could install that OS on
a mac but that would be like the windows tax * 5.

Even better, you could install your free OS on a super-sexy Sony VAIO
laptop (check out Sony VAIO VGN-FS115M). Gnome 2.10 looks slick too.

George.

PS: however, I plan to buy a Mac when OSX Tiger gets released.
 
G

Glenn Smith

Linus (Torvalds) uses a Mac. A twin-processor G5 I believe.

But he reformatted it and now runs Linux on it (unsurprisingly!).
 
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Rob .

Jim said:
+1. Personally I have a stronger bias towards free software

+1. I believe supporting free software is in the interests of our
political, cultural and social freedom. I prefer my software "free"
(as in freedom), my applications "cross-platform" and my hardware
"value for money". The Mac fails my requirements on all accounts.

Currently at home I'm running Ubuntu Linux on a 12'' Uniwill 223ii
laptop; both look great and perform well. An equivalent PowerBook
would have been considerably more expensive; I paid US$1639 including
shipping for the barebones laptop plus 2.0Ghz Centrino, 1x1GB memory,
60GB 7200rpm HD, 24xDVD/CD+RW and Intel pro 2200 wifi. I installed the
CPU and Ubuntu myself, both easy installs for the most part.

At work Cygwin on Windows let's me pretend I'm on a unix box, while
Mozilla, Open Office, IntelliJ Idea and jEdit all look the same on any
platform. So the underlying operating system is usually transparent to
me for the type of hacking I do.

Rob

Uniwill 223ii - http://uniwill.com/products/mobility/223ii0/223ii0.php
Ubuntu - http://ubuntu.com/
 
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Josef Pospisil

I'm really sorry, if I sound that I'm trolling or something. It's hard
for me to write my meanings in english, with the right accent on words.
And I really didn't want to write that people that are using windows
are worse hackers or programers or whatever. I just wanted to say, that
David can have his own opinion on it and that I'm sharing it.

About rails on wintel and David, I just understood (and maybe again I
get it wrong) that piece of his pasion to write it is based on Mac OS
X. That Apple with its "think different" realy makes you think
different.

So enough is enough, I just wanted to say that I understand what David
said (even my wrong way, how it looks), and don't think he was so
arrogant how everybody wrote.

But again, I'm not native speaker so my words could look dumb, and I
can't help.

Sorry Jim, George and others if it looked like I'm attacking your
attitude.

--
Ing. Josef Pospisil
Ridiculous. You're saying Rails (I'm assuming that's what you mean by
'best domain specific language for free') wouldn't exist if David used
Wintel? Please describe how these two concepts are related.

Curt Hibbs has a good point, and I think he was completely
professional about it. David's post _was_ pretty arrogant. I
personally don't like OS X. I don't like the idea of having to run my
OS only on proprietary hardware. Nor do I like the Apple (and Gems)
method of giving applications separate directories. And to be honest,
I'm not all that impressed with OS X's interface, as crazy as that
might sound. I'm not going to "get over it" and switch.

[snip]

+1. Personally I have a stronger bias towards free software than to
slick design which is why I use a free OS - I could install that OS on
a mac but that would be like the windows tax * 5.

Either a very childish attitude or trolling.
 
L

Lopy

Curt said:
I've finally started a blog. I really didn't want to go public with it
until I was sure I keep it up, but DHH posted a entry to his blog that I
feel compelled to comment on.

You can read about it on my blog:

http://www.bloglines.com/blog/CurtHibbs

Curt

Well, I hate *nix. *nix is a virus that unfortunately will be here for
years to come. What's worse, the so called "hackers" really like that
"everything is a file" mantra. Eh... Unfortunately there isn't really
any good alternative since NT is based on very similar principals - very
little changes. We need a good alternative to this obsolete garbage.
Genera was(is) cool but it's almost dead.
Having to use Ruby/Lisp/Smalltalk on *nix makes me sick :S Oh well, back
to work(*nix!).
 
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Francis Hwang

My .02 cents:

I'm a self-professed Mac snob, myself: I'm typing this on a Powerbook
12", and a few weeks ago I posted a job description that included the
phrase "Apple and Unix snobs highly encouraged to apply." I've never
spent my own money on a computer that wasn't made by Apple, and I've
got an iPod that follows me everywhere I go. Like Paul Graham, I have
been pleased to note that many of the techie events I go to have a high
Powerbook quotient. I find the Linux desktop interface sort of clunky,
and the idea of wrestling with system config issues in Linux doesn't
seem like it's worth the time. And personally, I find the whole design
of the Wintel platform vaguely insulting.

But:

+ To say that you have "run all but dry of understanding for
programmers that willfully pick Windows as their platform of choice" to
me seems to imply a complete disinterest in understanding how other
people make such decisions in the first place. For one thing, I know
plenty of people who have never made the switch out of
cost-consciousness, and I live in New York, not a very cost-conscious
place to begin with.

+ Apple's legal moves, of late, have not been very accepting of open
principles, and those moves should give its supporters pause. There
have been lots of lawsuits and cease-and-desist orders regarding trade
secrets, iTunes hacking, etc., and of course I take this all a bit
personally, considering that Apple shut down my own iPod parody auction
last December on eBay. (I was able to call their bluff and sell it on
my own site; see http://fhwang.net/art/uiuvnse/ for the whole story.)

+ Not every super l33t h4x0r is giving Apple love these days anyway. In
fact, Tim Bray just posted an interesting rant to his blog:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/03/29/Switch . Now, DHH is
a smart guy, but if we're going to start making techie appeals to
authority, I think inventing XML trumps inventing Rails.

In a nutshell: There is no such thing as a self-evidently perfect
platform. Until there is, I'm certainly not willing to judge a
programmer by such a silly thing as what platform he uses. In fact, in
my recent job interviews the question never comes up. There are lots of
other, less ham-handed ways to find if a programmer is the match for
your company ... For me, they're questions like: How familiar are they
with the values of simplicity and power embodied in Ruby? How familiar
are they with the principles and ideas that might be gleaned out of
agile methodologies, design patterns, and refactoring? Do they have
cool shoes?

( Just kidding about that last question. Sort of. )

Francis Hwang
http://fhwang.net/
 
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Nikolai Weibull

* Bill Atkins (Mar 31, 2005 11:30):
Paul Graham says a lot of things; his opinion about what "the best
hackers" use isn't really a solid reason for me to consider shelling
out a few thousand dollars for what, to me, is not an ideal system.

Good point. However, what I think Paul is mainly talking about are
the Apple laptops, not necessarily Macintoshes in general. When it
comes to choosing a laptop, your basically bound to whatever is
available, as there is no easy way of building one yourself. Then, as
the market is today, you have a choice. You choose to go with something
that is either covered with Intel(R) Inside(TM) and a Microsoft(R)
Windows(TM) Pre-installed stickers or a big outline of an apple.

I think DHH simply phrased his blog-entry a bit slopily, or perhaps
didn't actually manage to say what he was intending to say, that about
choosing your tools well. Let's face it, discussing platforms is so
passe. Hell, Paul Graham has said so repeatedly [1], reasoning that in
the future the only platform will be the Web and it won't matter what
hardware you're using or what operating system you've installed on it.

Listen, what really matters isn't fading menus, zooming windows,
sparkling icons. What really matters, and this is the point DHH was
trying to make, are the tools that use, are contained in, and
are activated by clicking on them. I, for example, am ten times as
productive now as I ever was when I was using Windows. When I was using
Windows, I never found a set of tools that suited my style of work.
When I discovered Linux, I found screen, vim, mutt, and zsh, which all
fit my needs very well. I was still bound to a crappy windowing
environment, but I learned to live with it and later improved it with
tools like ratpoison and a 256-color xterm.

DHH seems to like Mac OS X and the tools that it provides him with. Who
can argue with that? I am really happy with the tools that I have found
over the years using Linux. Who can argue with that? Still, the reason
I was able to do that was that I was allowed to experiment with
different operating systems and different sets of tools. No one decried
that I must use any given system with any given set. I hope that no one
else will be forced into using something that they don't want to use.

Mankind has one inherent freedom: to choose to live the way they want,
doing what they want, and with whoever they wish to do it with. All the
other freedoms that we bestow upon ourselves follow [2].

Please remember that before you tell someone else what to do or what to
think,
nikolai

P.S.
The arguments made in this post aren't directed at anyone in particular;
let's not become haters.
D.S.

[1] Yet he starts blabbing about Mac OS X being 1337, which is kind of
strange.

[2] Well, most people have freedom of speech, for example. Some,
though, aren't allowed to express their love for another human
being the way they want to do it. That's terrible.
 
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Nikolai Weibull

* Lopy (Mar 31, 2005 13:15):
Well, I hate *nix. *nix is a virus that unfortunately will be here for
years to come. What's worse, the so called "hackers" really like that
"everything is a file" mantra. Eh... Unfortunately there isn't really
any good alternative since NT is based on very similar principals -
very little changes. We need a good alternative to this obsolete
garbage. Genera was(is) cool but it's almost dead. Having to use
Ruby/Lisp/Smalltalk on *nix makes me sick :S Oh well, back to
work(*nix!).

Well put,
nikolai (the sarcastic bastard)
 
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Jamey Cribbs

Bill said:
Curt Hibbs has a good point, and I think he was completely
professional about it. David's post _was_ pretty arrogant. I
personally don't like OS X. I don't like the idea of having to run my
OS only on proprietary hardware. Nor do I like the Apple (and Gems)
method of giving applications separate directories. And to be honest,
I'm not all that impressed with OS X's interface, as crazy as that
might sound. I'm not going to "get over it" and switch. I've used OS
X computers and they're not for me. I'm sure others have had similar
experiences. And I'm sure others have used OS X and loved it. Good
for them.
Amen! My neighbor bought a fancy Powerbook running OS X. I have to go
over to his house every other weekend to help him figure out how to do
something. Every time I sit down in front of his laptop to do
something, I'm struck by how much I DO NOT like OS X. As Bill said, if
you prefer OS X, good for you. Just don't try to shove your particular
dogmatic beliefs down my throat by telling me I am a sub-par programmer
because I don't share your views.
The fact is, you pick the environment you're most productive in and
you leave it at that. Curt Hibbs and I (and whoever else) have a
right to be bothered by the article. Paul Graham says a lot of
things; his opinion about what "the best hackers" use isn't really a
solid reason for me to consider shelling out a few thousand dollars
for what, to me, is not an ideal system. David's post suggested that
everyone not using a Mac is being intentionally stubborn or stupid -
that they were too dumb to see that they should be moving to the Mac.
Curt Hibbs had a right to be frustrated, and I'm glad he brought it
up.
My neighbor paid over $2,500 for his Powerbook. I paid $1,300 for my
similarly equipped Emachines laptop. I guess this is one instance where
it pays to be stupid. :)

Jamey Cribbs

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