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Flash Gordon
Malcolm McLean wrote, On 14/07/07 20:22:
Your fallacy is that an unrepresentative sample proves something. Most
people on this group post using male names, therefore most people in the
world are male.
Several reasons why you have not proved your point have been pointed out
to you, and the experience of everyone on this group who expresses an
opinion disagrees with you, so my study, which is based on a sample of C
programmers in different fields (rather than one person doing a study on
a different point with Java), by your logic proves that you are wrong.
Alternatively, we have one study for and one against, with more people
disagreeing with you than agreeing, so the balance of evidence currently
available suggests it is more likely that you are wrong than correct.
So your unrelated study and personal opinion are evidence, but the
experience of anyone else does not count. I think you have a very
inflated opinion of yourself.
Had more people on the group agreed with you I would have accepted that
was supporting evidence (not proof), but I don't think anyone has posted
supporting you.
Misrepresenting what others say does not prove your point either. Others
are saying that there many years of experience in real programming in
the real world for real world applications in a variety of application
domains disagrees with your opinion.
So you don't could the 50 your 100 integer calculations used to generate
a value, only the dozen used to calculate where to get and put data?
Your experience and opinion proves your point but the experience and
opinion of everyone else does not count? Why should anyone take account
of your experience or opinion if you don't consider the experience of
others relevant?
That's a very common fallacy. I can find some objection to your
evidence, therefore you have offered a "no evidence" position.
Eg Martha saw Fred do the murder. But Martha is Fred's ex-mistress.
Therefore there is no evidence against Fred. No. It's plausible that an
ex-mistress would want to frame someone for murder, but not very likely
given the risks.
Your fallacy is that an unrepresentative sample proves something. Most
people on this group post using male names, therefore most people in the
world are male.
Several reasons why you have not proved your point have been pointed out
to you, and the experience of everyone on this group who expresses an
opinion disagrees with you, so my study, which is based on a sample of C
programmers in different fields (rather than one person doing a study on
a different point with Java), by your logic proves that you are wrong.
Alternatively, we have one study for and one against, with more people
disagreeing with you than agreeing, so the balance of evidence currently
available suggests it is more likely that you are wrong than correct.
I haven't seen anyone really demolish my claim that most processor
cycles are consumed in moving data from place to another.
So your unrelated study and personal opinion are evidence, but the
experience of anyone else does not count. I think you have a very
inflated opinion of yourself.
Had more people on the group agreed with you I would have accepted that
was supporting evidence (not proof), but I don't think anyone has posted
supporting you.
> Generally what
is offered is "I can write a program where that isn't true" or "my
subjective opinion is otherwise because I do X, which involves a lot of
integer calculation".
Misrepresenting what others say does not prove your point either. Others
are saying that there many years of experience in real programming in
the real world for real world applications in a variety of application
domains disagrees with your opinion.
> That is weak because we naturally say "the
spreadheet is calculating an average". It is, and that is point of the
operation. However really it is updating a video display.
So you don't could the 50 your 100 integer calculations used to generate
a value, only the dozen used to calculate where to get and put data?
Your experience and opinion proves your point but the experience and
opinion of everyone else does not count? Why should anyone take account
of your experience or opinion if you don't consider the experience of
others relevant?