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Discussion in 'HTML' started by windandwaves, Jul 16, 2007.

  1. windandwaves

    windandwaves Guest

    Hi Folk

    Can you please give me some feedback on http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    The investment page is not completed yet.

    If you want to read the source code then I recommend you use firebug.

    Thanks a million

    Nicolaas
     
    windandwaves, Jul 16, 2007
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  2. windandwaves

    Neredbojias Guest

    Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:28:57
    GMT windandwaves scribed:

    > Hi Folk
    >
    > Can you please give me some feedback on
    > http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/
    >
    > Bear in mind that I still need to do:
    >
    > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    > b. deal with large font / small font sizes
    >
    > The investment page is not completed yet.
    >
    > If you want to read the source code then I recommend you use firebug.


    Looks aesthetic on opening. I'd slow-down the Flash.

    Wouldn't mind being indulged more visually... <grin>

    --
    Neredbojias
    A self-made man who worships his creator
     
    Neredbojias, Jul 16, 2007
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  3. windandwaves

    dorayme Guest

    In article
    <>,
    windandwaves <> wrote:

    > Can you please give me some feedback on
    > http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/
    >
    > Bear in mind that I still need to do:
    >
    > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    > b. deal with large font / small font sizes


    The repetitive centre animation is very irritating. There is no
    point to it. In fact it is so irritating that I cannot
    concentrate to go on to say things, I am not even sure how to
    stop the thing?

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Jul 16, 2007
    #3
  4. On 2007-07-16, windandwaves wrote:
    > Hi Folk
    >
    > Can you please give me some feedback on http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/


    <http://woodbine-gerrard.com/testing/corstophine.jpg>

    > Bear in mind that I still need to do:
    >
    > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    > b. deal with large font / small font sizes


    That shouldn't be an afterthought. Avoid fixed [px] widths and
    font sizes from the start and you will have fewer problems.

    > The investment page is not completed yet.
    >
    > If you want to read the source code then I recommend you use firebug.


    I recommend you use something better to write your code. A single
    5K line is absurd.

    --
    Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
    ===================================================================
    Author:
    Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
     
    Chris F.A. Johnson, Jul 16, 2007
    #4
  5. windandwaves

    windandwaves Guest

    On Jul 16, 2:55 pm, dorayme <> wrote:
    > In article
    > <>,
    >
    > windandwaves <> wrote:
    > > Can you please give me some feedback on
    > >http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    >
    > > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    >
    > > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    > > b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    >
    > The repetitive centre animation is very irritating. There is no
    > point to it. In fact it is so irritating that I cannot
    > concentrate to go on to say things, I am not even sure how to
    > stop the thing?
    >
    > --
    > dorayme


    Thanks - that is a good point..... ! Will change
     
    windandwaves, Jul 16, 2007
    #5
  6. windandwaves

    windandwaves Guest

    On Jul 16, 2:32 pm, Neredbojias <> wrote:
    > Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:28:57
    > GMT windandwaves scribed:
    >
    > > Hi Folk

    >
    > > Can you please give me some feedback on
    > >http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    >
    > > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    >
    > > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    > > b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    >
    > > The investment page is not completed yet.

    >
    > > If you want to read the source code then I recommend you use firebug.

    >
    > Looks aesthetic on opening. I'd slow-down the Flash.
    >
    > Wouldn't mind being indulged more visually... <grin>
    >
    > --
    > Neredbojias
    > A self-made man who worships his creator


    Thanks - much appreciated.... I will try do something about it ;-)
     
    windandwaves, Jul 16, 2007
    #6
  7. windandwaves

    windandwaves Guest

    On Jul 16, 2:55 pm, dorayme <> wrote:
    > In article
    > <>,
    >
    > windandwaves <> wrote:
    > > Can you please give me some feedback on
    > >http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    >
    > > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    >
    > > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    > > b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    >
    > The repetitive centre animation is very irritating. There is no
    > point to it. In fact it is so irritating that I cannot
    > concentrate to go on to say things, I am not even sure how to
    > stop the thing?
    >
    > --
    > dorayme


    Do you like the new one better?
     
    windandwaves, Jul 16, 2007
    #7
  8. windandwaves

    windandwaves Guest

    On Jul 16, 2:32 pm, Neredbojias <> wrote:
    > Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:28:57
    > GMT windandwaves scribed:
    >
    > > Hi Folk

    >
    > > Can you please give me some feedback on
    > >http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    >
    > > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    >
    > > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    > > b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    >
    > > The investment page is not completed yet.

    >
    > > If you want to read the source code then I recommend you use firebug.

    >
    > Looks aesthetic on opening. I'd slow-down the Flash.
    >
    > Wouldn't mind being indulged more visually... <grin>
    >
    > --
    > Neredbojias
    > A self-made man who worships his creator


    I thought about your comment a bit more. I guess the idea of the site
    is that you need to do a bit of discovery. We show these tiny
    thumbnails and then let people click on them to see more.... The site
    has over 160 pics you can discover...
     
    windandwaves, Jul 16, 2007
    #8
  9. windandwaves

    windandwaves Guest

    On Jul 16, 3:44 pm, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <> wrote:
    > On 2007-07-16, windandwaves wrote:
    > > Hi Folk

    >
    > > Can you please give me some feedback onhttp://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    >
    > <http://woodbine-gerrard.com/testing/corstophine.jpg>
    >
    > > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    >
    > > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    > > b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    >
    > That shouldn't be an afterthought. Avoid fixed [px] widths and
    > font sizes from the start and you will have fewer problems.


    i will work on that soon!

    > > The investment page is not completed yet.

    >
    > > If you want to read the source code then I recommend you use firebug.

    >
    > I recommend you use something better to write your code. A single
    > 5K line is absurd.


    Totally agree, it is generated by a database I use to construct all
    the pages as HTML - I then upload them. Works a treat. I dont worry
    too much about having them as single lines.
     
    windandwaves, Jul 16, 2007
    #9
  10. On 2007-07-16, windandwaves wrote:
    > On Jul 16, 3:44 pm, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <> wrote:
    >> On 2007-07-16, windandwaves wrote:
    >>
    >> > Can you please give me some feedback onhttp://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    >>
    >> <http://woodbine-gerrard.com/testing/corstophine.jpg>
    >>
    >> > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    >>
    >> > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    >> > b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    >>
    >> That shouldn't be an afterthought. Avoid fixed [px] widths and
    >> font sizes from the start and you will have fewer problems.

    >
    > i will work on that soon!


    That's too late. It's the cause of your problems. (I forgot to
    mention fixed heights).

    >> > The investment page is not completed yet.

    >>
    >> > If you want to read the source code then I recommend you use firebug.

    >>
    >> I recommend you use something better to write your code. A single
    >> 5K line is absurd.

    >
    > Totally agree, it is generated by a database I use to construct all
    > the pages as HTML - I then upload them. Works a treat. I dont worry
    > too much about having them as single lines.


    If you want people to help you, you should worry about them. Fix
    the program that generates the HTML; it can't be more than a line
    or two that needs changing. Or pipe it through a filter before
    uploading it, e.g.:

    sed 's/<[^/]/\
    &/g' > temp.html


    --
    Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
    ===================================================================
    Author:
    Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
     
    Chris F.A. Johnson, Jul 16, 2007
    #10
  11. windandwaves

    asdf Guest

    "windandwaves" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi Folk
    >
    > Can you please give me some feedback on
    > http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/
    >
    > Bear in mind that I still need to do:
    >
    > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)



    ....it doesn't fit. Simple as that.
     
    asdf, Jul 16, 2007
    #11
  12. windandwaves

    windandwaves Guest

    On Jul 16, 4:50 pm, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <> wrote:
    > On 2007-07-16, windandwaves wrote:
    > > On Jul 16, 3:44 pm, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <> wrote:
    > >> On 2007-07-16, windandwaves wrote:

    >
    > >> > Can you please give me some feedback onhttp://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    >
    > >> <http://woodbine-gerrard.com/testing/corstophine.jpg>

    >
    > >> > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    >
    > >> > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    > >> > b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    >
    > >> That shouldn't be an afterthought. Avoid fixed [px] widths and
    > >> font sizes from the start and you will have fewer problems.

    >
    > > i will work on that soon!

    >
    > That's too late. It's the cause of your problems. (I forgot to
    > mention fixed heights).
    >
    > >> > The investment page is not completed yet.

    >
    > >> > If you want to read the source code then I recommend you use firebug.

    >
    > >> I recommend you use something better to write your code. A single
    > >> 5K line is absurd.

    >
    > > Totally agree, it is generated by a database I use to construct all
    > > the pages as HTML - I then upload them. Works a treat. I dont worry
    > > too much about having them as single lines.

    >
    > If you want people to help you, you should worry about them. Fix
    > the program that generates the HTML; it can't be more than a line
    > or two that needs changing. Or pipe it through a filter before
    > uploading it, e.g.:
    >
    > sed 's/<[^/]/\
    > &/g' > temp.html
    >
    > --
    > Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
    > ===================================================================
    > Author:
    > Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)


    Hi Chris

    You are probably right - but to be honest with you, it is not really
    about the source code. I can tell you that almost all pages validate
    (w3). Have you ever tried firebug? Once you use that, you will find
    it hard to imagine to look at a website without it. You can simply
    quick on any element and choose "inspect element" and it will take you
    straight to the applicable source code. It is simply awesome!
    Because the h
     
    windandwaves, Jul 16, 2007
    #12
  13. windandwaves

    windandwaves Guest

    On Jul 16, 5:05 pm, "asdf" <> wrote:
    > "windandwaves" <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    >
    > > Hi Folk

    >
    > > Can you please give me some feedback on
    > >http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    >
    > > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    >
    > > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)

    >
    > ...it doesn't fit. Simple as that.


    I am writing a new css especially for smaller screen sizes...
     
    windandwaves, Jul 16, 2007
    #13
  14. windandwaves

    windandwaves Guest

    On Jul 16, 4:50 pm, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <> wrote:
    > On 2007-07-16, windandwaves wrote:
    > > On Jul 16, 3:44 pm, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <> wrote:
    > >> On 2007-07-16, windandwaves wrote:

    >
    > >> > Can you please give me some feedback onhttp://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    >
    > >> <http://woodbine-gerrard.com/testing/corstophine.jpg>

    >
    > >> > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    >
    > >> > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    > >> > b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    >
    > >> That shouldn't be an afterthought. Avoid fixed [px] widths and
    > >> font sizes from the start and you will have fewer problems.

    >
    > > i will work on that soon!

    >
    > That's too late. It's the cause of your problems. (I forgot to
    > mention fixed heights).
    >
    > >> > The investment page is not completed yet.

    >
    > >> > If you want to read the source code then I recommend you use firebug.

    >
    > >> I recommend you use something better to write your code. A single
    > >> 5K line is absurd.

    >
    > > Totally agree, it is generated by a database I use to construct all
    > > the pages as HTML - I then upload them. Works a treat. I dont worry
    > > too much about having them as single lines.

    >
    > If you want people to help you, you should worry about them. Fix
    > the program that generates the HTML; it can't be more than a line
    > or two that needs changing. Or pipe it through a filter before
    > uploading it, e.g.:
    >
    > sed 's/<[^/]/\
    > &/g' > temp.html
    >
    > --
    > Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
    > ===================================================================
    > Author:
    > Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)


    You are probably right - but to be honest with you, it is not really
    about the source code. I can tell you that almost all pages validate
    (w3). Have you ever tried firebug? Once you use that, you will find
    it hard to imagine to look at a website without it. You can simply
    quick on any element and choose "inspect element" and it will take you
    straight to the applicable source code. It is simply awesome!
     
    windandwaves, Jul 16, 2007
    #14
  15. On 2007-07-16, windandwaves wrote:
    > On Jul 16, 5:05 pm, "asdf" <> wrote:
    >> "windandwaves" <> wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:...
    >>
    >> > Hi Folk

    >>
    >> > Can you please give me some feedback on
    >> >http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    >>
    >> > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    >>
    >> > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)

    >>
    >> ...it doesn't fit. Simple as that.

    >
    > I am writing a new css especially for smaller screen sizes...


    You have it backwards. Write it properly and you don't need to do
    anything special for any screen size (within a very wide range).


    --
    Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
    ===================================================================
    Author:
    Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
     
    Chris F.A. Johnson, Jul 16, 2007
    #15
  16. windandwaves

    Neredbojias Guest

    Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:10:39 GMT
    windandwaves scribed:

    >> > Hi Folk

    >>
    >> > Can you please give me some feedback on
    >> >http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    >>
    >> > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    >>
    >> > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    >> > b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    >>
    >> > The investment page is not completed yet.

    >>
    >> > If you want to read the source code then I recommend you use firebug.

    >>
    >> Looks aesthetic on opening. I'd slow-down the Flash.
    >>
    >> Wouldn't mind being indulged more visually... <grin>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Neredbojias
    >> A self-made man who worships his creator

    >
    > I thought about your comment a bit more. I guess the idea of the site
    > is that you need to do a bit of discovery. We show these tiny
    > thumbnails and then let people click on them to see more.... The site
    > has over 160 pics you can discover...


    Er, I was referring to Indulgence #3. Seems like the ratio of tub to
    bather visibility could benefit from a percentage reversal...

    --
    Neredbojias
    A self-made man who worships his creator
     
    Neredbojias, Jul 16, 2007
    #16
  17. windandwaves

    rf Guest

    "windandwaves" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi Folk
    >
    > Can you please give me some feedback on
    > http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/


    > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)


    Screen size is irrelevant. Window size is. In any case you have fallen into
    the negative margin trap. Change the CSS very slightly and it would be
    usable even at 800x600, albeit with a horizontal scroll bar.

    > b. deal with large font / small font sizes


    Well you blew that one away for a huge proportion of the people out there by
    using pixels for font size, and how many times has *that* been stated as
    _not on_ within this and just about every other newsgroup?

    And by specifying only 12 of them you instantly cause a significant number
    of people [1] using real browsers to bump up their font size. Only two wheel
    clicks makes the page looks a mess. Three or more and it becomes unusable.

    [1] Older people with possibly failing eyesight who probably *have* the
    disposable income to be the very ones to use the hotel. That is, your target
    audience.

    IMHO you should be thinking about variable canvas size and font size before
    you code the first CSS rule, not at this late stage of the track. I hope for
    your clients sake they are on contract and not time/materials :)

    --
    Richard.
     
    rf, Jul 16, 2007
    #17
  18. windandwaves

    dorayme Guest

    In article
    <>,
    windandwaves <> wrote:

    > On Jul 16, 2:55 pm, dorayme <> wrote:
    > > In article
    > > <>,
    > >
    > > windandwaves <> wrote:
    > > > Can you please give me some feedback on
    > > >http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    > >
    > > > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    > >
    > > > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    > > > b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    > >
    > > The repetitive centre animation is very irritating. There is no
    > > point to it. In fact it is so irritating that I cannot
    > > concentrate to go on to say things, I am not even sure how to
    > > stop the thing?
    > >
    > > --
    > > dorayme

    >
    > Do you like the new one better?


    While someone is reading the page they can do without these
    repetitive distractions, not everyone can peruse the page before
    the centre animation comes around yet to distract this second
    time around... It is still going as I write this and it irritates
    me so much that I will make comments from memory.

    You had some interesting pictures of birds, albatrosses. This
    would interest Italian businessmen, especially ones that live in
    Sweden and run highly successful web based one man businesses.
    They are prone to travel, to seek out women with the name,
    Heather, small islands like Tasmania and bigger ones like NZ.
    They would also be attracted to the multilingual functions on
    your home page.

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Jul 16, 2007
    #18
  19. windandwaves

    windandwaves Guest


    > Screen size is irrelevant. Window size is. In any case you have fallen into
    > the negative margin trap. Change the CSS very slightly and it would be
    > usable even at 800x600, albeit with a horizontal scroll bar.


    Hi Richard

    How can I:

    a. get the content to sit in the middle of the page if the page is
    taller than the height of the content
    b. get the page to sit at the top with a vertical scroll bar if the
    content is taller than the height of the window

    I can do it like this:

    <table><tr><td valign="middle" align="center">my content</td></tr></
    table>

    but I can not achieve exactly the same thing using css.

    do you have any suggestions in this area?

    Thank you.

    >
    > > b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    >
    > Well you blew that one away for a huge proportion of the people out there by
    > using pixels for font size, and how many times has *that* been stated as
    > _not on_ within this and just about every other newsgroup?
    >
    > And by specifying only 12 of them you instantly cause a significant number
    > of people [1] using real browsers to bump up their font size. Only two wheel
    > clicks makes the page looks a mess. Three or more and it becomes unusable.
    >
    > [1] Older people with possibly failing eyesight who probably *have* the
    > disposable income to be the very ones to use the hotel. That is, your target
    > audience.
    >
    > IMHO you should be thinking about variable canvas size and font size before
    > you code the first CSS rule, not at this late stage of the track. I hope for
    > your clients sake they are on contract and not time/materials :)


    It looks good for jo average and so we will probably keep it that
    way :)

    >
    > --
    > Richard.
     
    windandwaves, Jul 16, 2007
    #19
  20. windandwaves

    windandwaves Guest

    On Jul 16, 8:12 pm, dorayme <> wrote:
    > In article
    > <>,
    >
    >
    >
    > windandwaves <> wrote:
    > > On Jul 16, 2:55 pm, dorayme <> wrote:
    > > > In article
    > > > <>,

    >
    > > > windandwaves <> wrote:
    > > > > Can you please give me some feedback on
    > > > >http://www.sunnysideup.co.nz/clients/corstorphine/

    >
    > > > > Bear in mind that I still need to do:

    >
    > > > > a. create a solution for people with small screens (800 x 600)
    > > > > b. deal with large font / small font sizes

    >
    > > > The repetitive centre animation is very irritating. There is no
    > > > point to it. In fact it is so irritating that I cannot
    > > > concentrate to go on to say things, I am not even sure how to
    > > > stop the thing?

    >
    > > > --
    > > > dorayme

    >
    > > Do you like the new one better?

    >
    > While someone is reading the page they can do without these
    > repetitive distractions, not everyone can peruse the page before
    > the centre animation comes around yet to distract this second
    > time around... It is still going as I write this and it irritates
    > me so much that I will make comments from memory.
    >
    > You had some interesting pictures of birds, albatrosses. This
    > would interest Italian businessmen, especially ones that live in
    > Sweden and run highly successful web based one man businesses.
    > They are prone to travel, to seek out women with the name,
    > Heather, small islands like Tasmania and bigger ones like NZ.
    > They would also be attracted to the multilingual functions on
    > your home page.
    >
    > --
    > dorayme


    I like what you write... sounds poetic. So you still think it is too
    short. Here is my thinking.

    Those four logos are great selling points. We can not reduce the
    logos in size much (otherwise they become ugly and illegible) - so
    what shall we do? We dont want to clutter the homepage, so this
    seemed like a nice solution. A bit of movement is not too bad - right?
     
    windandwaves, Jul 16, 2007
    #20
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