Short term contract work(1 M) for indian internet programmers

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  1. Short term contract work(1 M) for indian internet programmers
    Project #1N 102003
    Company: Tata cons(leading company in the placement arena for the last
    1 year)

    Goal: Develop an internet based application in windows 98/2000/XP
    platforms

    Language: Any applicable

    Guaranteed Remuneration: Rs.100/- to 3500/- in several knock out
    stages

    Please note:
    You will be assigned a one day task(To program a small part or
    so). Your selection will be based on your performance in this
    assignment. Once you are selected you are guaranteed that you get
    money starting from a mere Rs.100/- to a maximum of Rs.3500/-
    according to the stage at which you drop your work or are rejected by
    us. You will be rewarded Rs.3500/- if you are able to complete the
    work fully.
    Candidate passing the test will also be eligible for future job
    opportunities , referrals, and other programming assignments directly
    without the tests*.

    Instructions:
    To get your 1 day task, write your detailed biodata including
    contact Phone and address(without which application will be
    rejected)and a short note about how you would like to do the job and
    email to




    Email:
    *subject to availability
     
    Alex Varghese, Oct 10, 2003
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  2. "Alex Varghese" <> wrote...
    > Short term [...]


    Please stop posting off-topic information here.
     
    Victor Bazarov, Oct 10, 2003
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    Benny Hill Guest

    On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:09:41 -0700, Alex Varghese wrote:

    > Short term contract work(1 M)
    > You will be rewarded Rs.3500/- if you are able to complete the
    > work fully.


    Out of curiosity I looked up the exchange rate for Indian Rupee to US
    dollar. For a month's work you're offering about US$77.

    Current exchange rate is approximately 45.5 Rupees per US dollar.

    --
    Benny
    Remove your rose colored glasses before e-mailing me
     
    Benny Hill, Oct 10, 2003
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  4. Troll Alert: Short term contract work(1 M) for indian internet programmers

    Benny Hill wrote:

    > Alex Varghese wrote:
    >
    >>Short term contract work(1 M)
    >>You will be rewarded Rs.3500/- if you are able to complete the
    >>work fully.

    >
    > Out of curiosity,
    > I looked up the exchange rate for Indian Rupee to US dollar.
    > For a month's work you're offering about US$77.
    >
    > Current exchange rate is approximately 45.5 Rupees per US dollar.


    I suppose that explains why C++ programming jobs
    are being exported to India.

    Is this the future for IT professionals?
    Would *you* be willing to work for $77.00/month?
     
    E. Robert Tisdale, Oct 10, 2003
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  5. Re: Troll Alert: Short term contract work(1 M) for indian internet programmers

    "E. Robert Tisdale" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > [...]
    > Is this the future for IT professionals?
    > Would *you* be willing to work for $77.00/month?


    Frankly, I'm not worried about exporting work. You get
    what you pay for. That's not to say that no Indian working
    for $77/mo. is a good programmer. It's just that an Indian
    who *is* a good programmer is likely to be able to get
    more than $77/mo., and hence as unlikely to take such
    a job as any other competent programmer. If bad
    programmers are worried about competition from other
    bad programmers who will accept payment in line with
    their skills, then perhaps they should work on their skills
    instead of whining about overseas competition.

    Dave



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    David B. Held, Oct 11, 2003
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    Paul Davis Guest

    Re: Troll Alert: Short term contract work(1 M) for indian internet programmers

    On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:26:23 -0500, "David B. Held"
    <> wrote:

    >"E. Robert Tisdale" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> [...]
    >> Is this the future for IT professionals?
    >> Would *you* be willing to work for $77.00/month?

    >
    >Frankly, I'm not worried about exporting work. You get
    >what you pay for. That's not to say that no Indian working
    >for $77/mo. is a good programmer. It's just that an Indian
    >who *is* a good programmer is likely to be able to get
    >more than $77/mo., and hence as unlikely to take such
    >a job as any other competent programmer. If bad
    >programmers are worried about competition from other
    >bad programmers who will accept payment in line with
    >their skills, then perhaps they should work on their skills
    >instead of whining about overseas competition.


    I don't think it's that simple. Good Indian programmers are generally
    not in a position to get western rates, because they can't get visas
    to work abroad. However, in the cases where they do get visas, they
    work for agencies who still pay them a low rate.

    I think concerns about this sort of competition are valid. I've had to
    quote against Wipro, for instance. They can undercut me because they
    get the work done in India at a low rate; The levels of skill involved
    are irrelevant. The client doesn't see the guy who does the work in
    Bangalore; all they see is the commercial front. There has to be a
    limit, IMHO, to the level at which you can export work simply because
    it can be done cheaper in another country.

    Anyway, the good news is that knowing a computer language, however
    well you know it, is rarely sufficient to get a high rate. The
    language is a means, not an end; the real skill is elsewhere, and
    that's what you charge for.

    PD
     
    Paul Davis, Oct 14, 2003
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  7. Re: Troll Alert: Short term contract work(1 M) for indian internet programmers

    "Paul Davis" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > [...]
    > I don't think it's that simple. Good Indian programmers are
    > generally not in a position to get western rates, because they
    > can't get visas to work abroad. However, in the cases where
    > they do get visas, they work for agencies who still pay them
    > a low rate.


    But isn't that the point? They work at that rate because they
    can afford to. And as long as they are capable and willing,
    that is the market value for that level of service. The reason
    Americans get angry is because they have a monopoly of
    sorts on technology, where they can keep IT rates artificially
    inflated. So instead of accepting that a lower rate is still a
    fair rate because the market is willing to produce it, they
    would rather resort to protectionist schemes that preserve
    high prices.

    > I think concerns about this sort of competition are valid.
    > I've had to quote against Wipro, for instance. They can
    > undercut me because they get the work done in India at
    > a low rate; The levels of skill involved are irrelevant.


    But they are. If the quality of the work is acceptable, then
    you have some serious competition. If it isn't, then no
    lowball rate is going to cut it, and the client will look for
    better quality elsewhere.

    > The client doesn't see the guy who does the work in
    > Bangalore; all they see is the commercial front. There
    > has to be a limit, IMHO, to the level at which you can
    > export work simply because it can be done cheaper in
    > another country.
    > [...]


    Only because you want to protect your local economy,
    which is entirely understandable. But we live in a global
    economy, which means cheap goods from China and
    Mexico. I don't see anyone complaining about their
    cheap consumer electronics, and demanding that they
    pay more so that American producers can compete.
    But when they are the producer, the story is entirely
    different.

    Dave



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    David B. Held, Oct 14, 2003
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    Mike Wahler Guest

    Re: [OT] Troll Alert: Short term contract work(1 M) for indian internet programmers

    "Paul Davis" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > There has to be a
    > limit, IMHO, to the level at which you can export work simply because
    > it can be done cheaper in another country.


    IMO David's reply was on the mark, but I feel this is
    a more fundamental issue which transcends politics.
    Some might call it 'philosophy', I call it simply
    "acknowledging reality and the true nature of man."

    Why a 'limit'? Because some person or group arbitrarily
    dictates that everyone is responsible for the welfare of
    everyone else? I don't buy it. That's socialism,
    enslavement.

    Don't you believe in human freedom?

    Those who defer responsibility for their own welfare to
    others can never be free, no more so than those who are
    coerced or deceived into the role of these "others".

    IMO such protectionism inherent in your call for "limits"
    is simply the "protection" of incompetence and laziness,
    via coercion and deceit, the most evil forms of human behavior.

    I always welcome competition. It causes me to improve
    my productivity, thus my welfare.

    It appears to me that those "low wage foreigners" possess
    far more wisdom and integrity than their "union wage" American counterparts
    who cry "unfair!"

    Wisdom leads to integrity. Integrity leads to productivity.
    Productivity leads to success. Success leads to happiness.
    Happiness leads to love and compassion.

    Aren't those last three items what we're all ultimately
    pursuing? :)

    I don't simply "believe", but *know* that everyone,
    wherever they might live, has the inherent right to
    follow the "rainbow" of freedom to the "gold" of love
    and happiness, unfettered by the needs or demands of
    others.

    The world's "needy" comprise a much acclaimed "cause",
    especially in the United States. But:

    Love and compassion derived from success helps people
    far more than that exercised by e.g. some nun with a
    'vow of poverty' or a highly paid professional 'fund
    raiser' who need always bestow it by proxy, via assigning
    unearned guilt to others.

    Why does not everyone see this? Capitalism isn't really
    a "dog eat dog" expression of "tough luck, that's not my
    problem, I don't want to hear it", but is an equitable and
    *loving* form of human interaction, which provides for
    everyone, without resorting to the evils of coercion and
    deceit.

    Excuse me, I'm going to go hug my wife and pet the dog now. :)

    -Mike
     
    Mike Wahler, Oct 15, 2003
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