Skip navigation link and talking browsers

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Luigi Donatello Asero, Jun 29, 2004.

  1. I wonder how a talking browser works. I imagine that if I use a skip
    navigation link it begins reading the main text starting from what it
    follows
    <a name="skip"></a>
    But how does the user go to the links if he or she wants to do that?
    Is it better to put <a name="skip"></a>
    after or before the local search engine and the "Contact" link?
    Please compare http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.html
    and http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/marciana.html
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jun 29, 2004
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  2. Luigi Donatello Asero

    jake Guest

    In message <cLaEc.3897$>, Luigi Donatello Asero
    <> writes
    >I wonder how a talking browser works. I imagine that if I use a skip
    >navigation link it begins reading the main text starting from what it
    >follows
    ><a name="skip"></a>
    >But how does the user go to the links if he or she wants to do that?
    >Is it better to put <a name="skip"></a>
    >after or before the local search engine and the "Contact" link?
    >Please compare http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.html
    >and http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/marciana.html
    >--
    > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    >
    >
    >

    Typical browser:

    (a) Page loads
    (b) <title></title> contents get spoken
    (c) Browser starts to speak the (linearized) contents
    (d) At some stage the users hears something like "Skip to main content"
    (e) If the user is familiar with the layout of the page they just hit
    the 'return' button during the "skip to main content" and the browser
    starts speaking from wherever it is transferred to on the page.
    (e -- alternative) The user hears the "Skip ...." followed by some more
    text and hits the Ctrl button to stop the speaking. The user then uses
    the back-arrow to move back (item-by-item) to where the browser starts
    speaking "Skip ...." and hits the 'return' button at that stage.

    Providing the layout is consistent from page-to-page the user will hit
    'return' immediately on hearing 'Skip'.

    "Skip ..." should be the first thing on the page that the browser
    encounters.

    regards.
    --
    Jake
     
    jake, Jun 29, 2004
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  3. "jake" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:...
    > In message <cLaEc.3897$>, Luigi Donatello Asero
    > <> writes
    > >I wonder how a talking browser works. I imagine that if I use a skip
    > >navigation link it begins reading the main text starting from what it
    > >follows
    > ><a name="skip"></a>
    > >But how does the user go to the links if he or she wants to do that?
    > >Is it better to put <a name="skip"></a>
    > >after or before the local search engine and the "Contact" link?
    > >Please compare http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.html
    > >and http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/marciana.html
    > >--
    > > Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    > > http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    > >http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    > >
    > >
    > >

    > Typical browser:
    >
    > (a) Page loads
    > (b) <title></title> contents get spoken
    > (c) Browser starts to speak the (linearized) contents
    > (d) At some stage the users hears something like "Skip to main content"
    > (e) If the user is familiar with the layout of the page they just hit
    > the 'return' button during the "skip to main content" and the browser
    > starts speaking from wherever it is transferred to on the page.
    > (e -- alternative) The user hears the "Skip ...." followed by some more
    > text and hits the Ctrl button to stop the speaking. The user then uses
    > the back-arrow to move back (item-by-item) to where the browser starts
    > speaking "Skip ...." and hits the 'return' button at that stage.
    >
    > Providing the layout is consistent from page-to-page the user will hit
    > 'return' immediately on hearing 'Skip'.
    >
    > "Skip ..." should be the first thing on the page that the browser
    > encounters.
    >
    > regards.
    > --
    > Jake


    Do you mean that it does not play a role whether I put <a name="skip"></a>
    after or before the local search engine and the "Contact" link provided I do
    it the same way on all the page so that the user will not be confused?
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.italymap.dk/sv/italien-karta.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/marciana.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jun 29, 2004
    #3
  4. While the city slept, Luigi Donatello Asero ()
    feverishly typed...

    > I wonder how a talking browser works. I imagine that if I use a skip
    > navigation link it begins reading the main text starting from what it
    > follows
    > <a name="skip"></a>


    I would use a better name there. You are naming an anchor to represent your
    main content, so a better name might be "content".

    > But how does the user go to the links if he or she wants to do that?
    > Is it better to put <a name="skip"></a>
    > after or before the local search engine and the "Contact" link?


    Do you consider "search" and "contact" to be part of the navigation? I do,
    so if you want your user to be able to "skip navigation" then put it after.

    Cheers,
    Nige

    --
    Nigel Moss
    http://www.nigenet.org.uk
    Mail address not valid. , take the DOG. out!
    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is very, very busy!
     
    nice.guy.nige, Jun 29, 2004
    #4
  5. "nice.guy.nige" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:...
    > While the city slept, Luigi Donatello Asero ()
    > feverishly typed...
    >
    > > I wonder how a talking browser works. I imagine that if I use a skip
    > > navigation link it begins reading the main text starting from what it
    > > follows
    > > <a name="skip"></a>

    >
    > I would use a better name there. You are naming an anchor to represent

    your
    > main content, so a better name might be "content".


    Sorry, but I am not sure that I understand what you meant.
    I may not use "content" instead of "name".

    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/appartamento-ad-uso-turistico-in-Svezia.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/lagenhetitalien3.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jul 3, 2004
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    Els Guest

    Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:

    > "nice.guy.nige" <> skrev i
    > meddelandet news:...
    >> While the city slept, Luigi Donatello Asero
    >> () feverishly typed...
    >>
    >> > I wonder how a talking browser works. I imagine that if
    >> > I use a skip navigation link it begins reading the main
    >> > text starting from what it follows
    >> > <a name="skip"></a>

    >>
    >> I would use a better name there. You are naming an anchor
    >> to represent your main content, so a better name might be
    >> "content".

    >
    > Sorry, but I am not sure that I understand what you meant.
    > I may not use "content" instead of "name".


    Not content instead of name, content instead of skip :)

    --
    Els
    http://locusmeus.com/
    Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
    - Renato Russo -
     
    Els, Jul 3, 2004
    #6
  7. "Els" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:Xns951B8FCCE8F70Els@130.133.1.4...
    > Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
    >
    > > "nice.guy.nige" <> skrev i
    > > meddelandet news:...
    > >> While the city slept, Luigi Donatello Asero
    > >> () feverishly typed...
    > >>
    > >> > I wonder how a talking browser works. I imagine that if
    > >> > I use a skip navigation link it begins reading the main
    > >> > text starting from what it follows
    > >> > <a name="skip"></a>
    > >>
    > >> I would use a better name there. You are naming an anchor
    > >> to represent your main content, so a better name might be
    > >> "content".

    > >
    > > Sorry, but I am not sure that I understand what you meant.
    > > I may not use "content" instead of "name".

    >
    > Not content instead of name, content instead of skip :)
    >
    > --
    > Els


    Do you mean to use "content" both like here
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/ferienwohnung-sizilien.html
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/appartamento-ad-uso-turistico-in-Svezia.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/lagenhetitalien3.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jul 3, 2004
    #7
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    Neal Guest

    On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:54:41 GMT, Luigi Donatello Asero
    <> wrote:

    >
    > "nice.guy.nige" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:...
    >> While the city slept, Luigi Donatello Asero ()
    >> feverishly typed...
    >>
    >> > I wonder how a talking browser works. I imagine that if I use a skip
    >> > navigation link it begins reading the main text starting from what it
    >> > follows
    >> > <a name="skip"></a>

    >>
    >> I would use a better name there. You are naming an anchor to represent

    > your
    >> main content, so a better name might be "content".

    >
    > Sorry, but I am not sure that I understand what you meant.
    > I may not use "content" instead of "name".


    <a name="content">
     
    Neal, Jul 3, 2004
    #8
  9. "Neal" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:eek:...
    > On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:54:41 GMT, Luigi Donatello Asero
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > "nice.guy.nige" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > > news:...
    > >> While the city slept, Luigi Donatello Asero

    ()
    > >> feverishly typed...
    > >>
    > >> > I wonder how a talking browser works. I imagine that if I use a skip
    > >> > navigation link it begins reading the main text starting from what it
    > >> > follows
    > >> > <a name="skip"></a>
    > >>
    > >> I would use a better name there. You are naming an anchor to represent

    > > your
    > >> main content, so a better name might be "content".

    > >
    > > Sorry, but I am not sure that I understand what you meant.
    > > I may not use "content" instead of "name".

    >
    > <a name="content">

    But in this case I have to use <p><a href="#content"> <img
    src="../bilder/test.gif" height="1" width="1" alt="Bitte, zum Hauptinhalt
    dieser Seite direkt gehen"></a></p>
    before, don´t I?
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/appartamento-ad-uso-turistico-in-Svezia.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/lagenhetitalien3.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jul 3, 2004
    #9
  10. Luigi Donatello Asero

    Neal Guest

    On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:23:56 GMT, Luigi Donatello Asero
    <> wrote:

    >
    > "Neal" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:eek:...
    >> <a name="content">

    > But in this case I have to use <p><a href="#content"> <img
    > src="../bilder/test.gif" height="1" width="1" alt="Bitte, zum Hauptinhalt
    > dieser Seite direkt gehen"></a></p>
    > before, don´t I?


    Yep. :)
     
    Neal, Jul 3, 2004
    #10
  11. "Neal" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:eek:...
    > On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:23:56 GMT, Luigi Donatello Asero
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > "Neal" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > > news:eek:...
    > >> <a name="content">

    > > But in this case I have to use <p><a href="#content"> <img
    > > src="../bilder/test.gif" height="1" width="1" alt="Bitte, zum

    Hauptinhalt
    > > dieser Seite direkt gehen"></a></p>
    > > before, don´t I?

    >
    > Yep. :)


    Thank you.
    --
    Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/appartamento-ad-uso-turistico-in-Svezia.html
    http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/rimini.html
     
    Luigi Donatello Asero, Jul 4, 2004
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