Suggestions needed for list of links

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Corn Flakes

Hello All:

I have a small site under development, I was trying to make a tag-
cloud page and it can be accessed (for testing purposes, not complete
yet!) at

http://www.stutimandal.com/tags.php

I am disappointed with the look and feel of links. I want to increase
the line spacing, and I wonder if I need to switch from <ul><li><a> to
<p> <a>

Also, it would be good if I can put the links in a "text-align:
justified" manner. IE seems to fail there.

Finally, when I click the links in Firefox, the line-spacing changes
on click which is bugging me. I tried validation and only got a few
warnings related to a-styling (and I could not understand it either :)
This onclick spacing adjustment does not happens in Opera or IE.

So any feedback on these issues will be deeply appreciated.

Thanks,
Animesh
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Scripsit Corn Flakes:
I was trying to make a tag-cloud page

Why? Web pages are supposed to be useable, not puzzles.
I am disappointed with the look and feel of links.

What links? Are there links on the page? There is nothing that looks like a
link.
I want to increase the line spacing,

So it's not a cloud, it's just a sequence of lines with font size variation
inside them.
and I wonder if I need to switch from <ul><li><a> to
<p> <a>

Why would you do that? You have no said:
Also, it would be good if I can put the links in a "text-align:
justified" manner.

No it wouldn't.
 
C

Corn Flakes

Scripsit Corn Flakes:


Why? Web pages are supposed to be useable, not puzzles.

I don't want to argue why tags or tag-clouds are useful.

If you are having a bad sunday, you can buy those "hit me" balloon-
toys.
 
A

Animesh K

Hello All:

I have a small site under development, I was trying to make a tag-
cloud page and it can be accessed (for testing purposes, not complete
yet!) at

http://www.stutimandal.com/tags.php

I am disappointed with the look and feel of links. I want to increase
the line spacing, and I wonder if I need to switch from <ul><li><a> to
<p> <a>

Also, it would be good if I can put the links in a "text-align:
justified" manner. IE seems to fail there.

Finally, when I click the links in Firefox, the line-spacing changes
on click which is bugging me. I tried validation and only got a few
warnings related to a-styling (and I could not understand it either :)
This onclick spacing adjustment does not happens in Opera or IE.

So any feedback on these issues will be deeply appreciated.

Thanks,
Animesh

Ok I got the answers to this question using google. Ignore the
question.
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Scripsit Corn Flakes:
I don't want to argue why tags or tag-clouds are useful.

Nobody asked you to.

You posted to a public discussion forum. I explained why your idea is wrong.
That's how discussions go. If they sometimes happen to answer the question
you asked, stay alert: there is no guarantee that the answer is correct, or
that it makes anything any better.

If you're dissatisfied with this service, you can discontinue your
subscription and ask for a refund.
 
B

Bernhard Sturm

Jukka said:
Scripsit Corn Flakes:


Nobody asked you to.

You posted to a public discussion forum. I explained why your idea is
wrong. That's how discussions go.


With all respect Yukka, you didn't explain or discussed why tag-clouds
are wrong. You said that web-pages are supposed to be useable, which is
true, but a tag-cloud can help to make a web-site very useable. So
tag-clouds are very helpful to access the content on a web-site. Please
note the difference between a page and a site, and the OP is using a
tag-cloud in a similar manner as a sitemap: as an element belonging to
the metanavigation. This has nothing to do with the webpages being
'puzzles' as you argued.

cheers
bernhard
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Scripsit Animesh K:
What is your "why" doing up there?

It's a question about motivation. If you take it as a request to argue,
that's your choice, but nobody asked you, or "Corn Flakes", to argue.

(I don't expect a person claiming "Corn Flakes" to be his or her full name
to be _able_ to argue.)
 
N

Neredbojias

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:04:20
GMT Jukka K. Korpela scribed:
Scripsit Animesh K:

It's a question about motivation. If you take it as a request to
argue, that's your choice, but nobody asked you, or "Corn Flakes", to
argue.

(I don't expect a person claiming "Corn Flakes" to be his or her full
name to be _able_ to argue.)

Perhaps you should let the lad vent. The last thing we need is another
cereal killer.
 
R

rf

Neredbojias said:
Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:04:20
GMT Jukka K. Korpela scribed:

Perhaps you should let the lad vent. The last thing we need is another
cereal killer.

<groan/>

And I was going to say that lots of good stuff [1] comes out of cornflake
packets.

You _must_ search the tag cloud for one that leads to a 404 (anything past
the first page). They *demand* your email address before they let you tell
them about it. Don't they ever look at error.log? :)

[1] HTML degrees, drezigner licences, tag clouds, ...
 
N

Neredbojias

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:05:02
GMT rf scribed:

And I was going to say that lots of good stuff [1] comes out of
cornflake packets.

Yeah. Probably dorayme, fer instance...
You _must_ search the tag cloud for one that leads to a 404 (anything
past the first page). They *demand* your email address before they let
you tell them about it. Don't they ever look at error.log? :)

[1] HTML degrees, drezigner licences, tag clouds, ...

Do you realize that I have absolutely no idea what a "tag cloud" is?
Somebody was talking about a "cron job" the other day, too, and -phffft!
But ignorance is bliss, -at least in the sense that I hardly need any more
things to cause me aggravation.
 
A

Animesh K

Jukka said:
Scripsit Animesh K:


It's a question about motivation. If you take it as a request to argue,
that's your choice, but nobody asked you, or "Corn Flakes", to argue.

(I don't expect a person claiming "Corn Flakes" to be his or her full
name to be _able_ to argue.)

Your why followed with an explanation that web pages are supposed to be
useful. Which basically means (to a random reader, not you) that you are
telling tag clouds are not useful (or at least you don't know why it is
useful).

If names did the trick, precious.com should be the leading website ---
rather than google or orkut. Such useless generalizations don't lead
anyone anywhere.
 
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Animesh K

Neredbojias said:
Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:04:20
GMT Jukka K. Korpela scribed:


Perhaps you should let the lad vent. The last thing we need is another
cereal killer.

That lad is me. I was toying with google groups a few month ago and took
that as a handle. I forgot to change it. I changed it as soon as I
noticed it.

I am not venting any anger. You should see what Jukka's replies were to
my questions. Either he was unaware of the answers, or he was wasting
his time.
 
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Animesh K

rf said:
Neredbojias said:
Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:04:20
GMT Jukka K. Korpela scribed:
Perhaps you should let the lad vent. The last thing we need is another
cereal killer.

<groan/>

And I was going to say that lots of good stuff [1] comes out of cornflake
packets.

You _must_ search the tag cloud for one that leads to a 404 (anything past
the first page). They *demand* your email address before they let you tell
them about it. Don't they ever look at error.log? :)

[1] HTML degrees, drezigner licences, tag clouds, ...

You suffer from selective reading. I had mentioned that the website is
under development right now [Quote -> it can be accessed (for testing
purposes, not complete yet!)].

The 404 behavior can of course be changed. But I am getting enough spam
from the contact form right now. If I remove the email id field, I will
get them even more. If you are worried, you can just enter
(e-mail address removed) and it should work.
 
H

Harlan Messinger

Jukka said:
Scripsit Corn Flakes:


Nobody asked you to.

You posted to a public discussion forum. I explained why your idea is
wrong.

Actually, you didn't. You made the general observation that web pages
are supposed to be usable (to the OP--Jukka wrote "usable", not
"useful"), implying that tag clouds aren't but without explaining why.

I gather, though, that you also do think they aren't useful I'm curious
why you feel this use of compact visual cues is neither useful nor usable.
 
B

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Animesh said:

"A tag cloud is a set of related tags with corresponding weights.
Typical tag clouds have between 30 and 150 tags."

Yesss ... I can see myself looking through a mess such as the pictured
sample on that page, looking for "Purchase" ...

Hopefully, Google will have other sites that sell the same product.

If it is for your personal site, have fun.
 
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Animesh K

Beauregard said:
"A tag cloud is a set of related tags with corresponding weights.
Typical tag clouds have between 30 and 150 tags."

Yesss ... I can see myself looking through a mess such as the pictured
sample on that page, looking for "Purchase" ...

Hopefully, Google will have other sites that sell the same product.

If it is for your personal site, have fun.

Text tag clouds are sorted alphabetically and they worked for me on
three-four websites. That's why I thought of having it. A tag cloud,
irrespective of being dense or tricky, is better than having no filter
method. Tags are getting pretty standard at blogs. Those who use gmail
also use labels (another name for tags).

A new method can be embraced or refused. It is your choice.
 
B

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Animesh said:
A new method can be embraced or refused. It is your choice.

It is my choice, you are correct.

(Now where is that other site that also sells widgets... one that can be
navigated with some ease.)

Don't get me wrong. As I said, if this is a personal site, do what you
please. Since your example seems to be about poetry (I don't read the
language), maybe it is ok... but not for any kind of business or
information site.
 
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Animesh K

Beauregard said:
It is my choice, you are correct.

(Now where is that other site that also sells widgets... one that can be
navigated with some ease.)

Don't get me wrong. As I said, if this is a personal site, do what you
please. Since your example seems to be about poetry (I don't read the
language), maybe it is ok... but not for any kind of business or
information site.

I think the obfuscation is due to an Indian language. If I wrote
"Wordsworth" "Flowers" "Shakespeare" "Solitude" "Carroll" and so on, I
think you would find it useful too.

For business sites, I am unsure about its usage. In certain yellowpages
like directory, these clouds can be useful.
 

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