Swing

[bob smith]

From: bob smith <[email protected]>

Is Swing still pretty much the standard for Java graphics? Or has it finally
been replaced by something better?

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[Arne Vajhøj]

To: bob smith
From: Arne Vajhoj <[email protected]>

Is Swing still pretty much the standard for Java graphics? Or has it finally

been replaced by something better?

Swing is the safe choice as it is mature and has been part of Java SE for about
a decade.

If you want more native look and feel and can live with only support on major
desktop platforms then you can go for SWT.

If you want a modern (*) GUI development platform and can live with only
support on major desktop platforms then you can go for JavaFX.

As JavaFX is planned to be part of Java SE 8, then if you are looking at long
term, then JavaFX seems as something you need to look into.

*) Newer does not guarantee better, but given that SUN/Oracle (JavaFX),
Adobe (Flex) and MS (WPF & SL) all went for the model with XML markup and code,
then maybe it is better!

Arne

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[Roedy Green]

To: bob smith
From: Roedy Green <[email protected]>

Is Swing still pretty much the standard for Java graphics? Or has it finally

been replaced by something better?

Oracle is pushing JavaFX, but I don't think it will go anywhere. It does not
integrate. So Swing is it for now.

--
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does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light,
but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up
that is familiar with it.
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[Jeff Higgins]

To: Roedy Green
From: Jeff Higgins <[email protected]>

finally been replaced by something better?

Oracle is pushing JavaFX, but I don't think it will go anywhere. It
does not integrate. So Swing is it for now.

I've been spending some time exploring JavaFX. Will you please expand on your
comment that [JavaFX] does not integrate?

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[Qu0ll]

To: Roedy Green
From: "Qu0ll" <[email protected]>

"Roedy Green" wrote in message

Oracle is pushing JavaFX, but I don't think it will go anywhere. It
does not integrate. So Swing is it for now.

Doesn't integrate??? With what exactly? JavaFX is just another Java API, is
now included as part of the JDK (as of 7 Update 6), interoperates seamlessly
with Swing, works with all standard Java SE packages, works well with other
JVM-based languages and has some very, very impressive features. If you want to
develop new GUI apps with Java then JavaFX is a "no brainer" as they say in the
states.

Swing will hang around for a long time yet but is not being actively developed
by Oracle anymore and good luck trying to get any bugs in it fixed. They are
pouring an enormous amount of resources into JavaFX and rightly so - it's great
technology.

IMHO you'd be nuts to start a new project with Swing instead of FX.

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[Arne Vajhøj]

To: Qu0ll
From: Arne Vajhoj <[email protected]>

"Roedy Green" wrote in message


Doesn't integrate??? With what exactly?

Roedy probably just made it up.

You should not be surprised if you never get an an answer.

JavaFX is just another Java
API, is now included as part of the JDK (as of 7 Update 6),
interoperates seamlessly with Swing, works with all standard Java SE
packages, works well with other JVM-based languages and has some very,
very impressive features.

JavaFX is 10 years newer than Swing and it shows.

If you want to develop new GUI apps with Java
then JavaFX is a "no brainer" as they say in the states.

Swing will hang around for a long time yet but is not being actively
developed by Oracle anymore and good luck trying to get any bugs in it
fixed. They are pouring an enormous amount of resources into JavaFX and
rightly so - it's great technology.

IMHO you'd be nuts to start a new project with Swing instead of FX.

JavaFX is certainly worth considering.

But one may have a need to support a platform where JavaFX is not available
yet.

Arne

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[Qu0ll]

To: Arne Vajhøj
From: "Qu0ll" <[email protected]>

"Arne Vajhoj" wrote in message

Roedy probably just made it up.

You should not be surprised if you never get an an answer.

We you are probably right but it's just such a ridiculous comment as one of
JavaFX's strongest selling points is its ability to integrate. Perhaps Roedy
is thinking of the old JavaFX versions 1.x when it wasn't a Java API and relied
on a proprietary new language named JavaFX Script. JavaFX 2.x is completely
different and, as I said, integrates with anything JVM-based.

JavaFX is 10 years newer than Swing and it shows.

Yes, it is based on a completely new hardware accelerated graphics engine named
Prism and new windowing toolkit named Glass. It is feature-rich and fast. The
properties and binding framework on its own is worth the price of admission.
The number of standard controls is growing constantly and includes a
WebKit-based WebView control that supports HTML 5 and CSS 3 and JavaScript, a
Canvas control similar to HTML 5 Canvas, video and audio playback controls, a
vast array of charts, animations and transitions and a very good set of more
common/basic widgets for form development. And if they aren't enough, there
are several ways to roll your own. Features coming up in the next major
release (which will be named JavaFX 8.0 as it is now aligned with JDK versions)
include full 3D support.

JavaFX is certainly worth considering.

But one may have a need to support a platform where JavaFX is not
available yet.

As of Java 7 Update 6 JavaFX is now supported on Windows (at least Windows XP,
Windows 2008, Windows 7), MacOS X and Linux and also runs on some ARM based
systems like Raspberry Pi. In addition, Oracle is doing a significant amount
of work on getting it to run on iOS and Android and have demonstrated it on
these platforms several times in recent months. I am expecting an "official"
announcement at this year's JavaOne regarding exactly where that development is
up to. As far as I can tell they have resolved most of the technical issues by
using Ahead Of Time compilation (so no JIT as executable memory is not
supported on iOS or Metro for that matter) and the majority of the remaining
work involves achieving good levels of performance and also in the development
of the tools required to deploy a JavaFX app to those platforms. Personally, I
find this all very exciting!

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[markspace]

To: Qu0ll
From: markspace <-@.>

(so no JIT as executable memory is not supported on iOS or
Metro for that matter)

Just curious: Metro = Windows 8? Because there's a few other Metros floating
around, and Microsoft has officially dropped the name Metro for their new OS.

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[Arne Vajhøj]

To: Qu0ll
From: Arne Vajhoj <[email protected]>

"Arne Vajhoj" wrote in message


We you are probably right but it's just such a ridiculous comment as one
of JavaFX's strongest selling points is its ability to integrate.
Perhaps Roedy is thinking of the old JavaFX versions 1.x when it wasn't
a Java API and relied on a proprietary new language named JavaFX
Script. JavaFX 2.x is completely different and, as I said, integrates
with anything JVM-based.

Even JavaFX 1.x could integrate with Swing and Java code.

Yes, it is based on a completely new hardware accelerated graphics
engine named Prism and new windowing toolkit named Glass. It is
feature-rich and fast. The properties and binding framework on its own
is worth the price of admission. The number of standard controls is
growing constantly and includes a WebKit-based WebView control that
supports HTML 5 and CSS 3 and JavaScript, a Canvas control similar to
HTML 5 Canvas, video and audio playback controls, a vast array of
charts, animations and transitions and a very good set of more
common/basic widgets for form development. And if they aren't enough,
there are several ways to roll your own. Features coming up in the next
major release (which will be named JavaFX 8.0 as it is now aligned with
JDK versions) include full 3D support.

Do you work for Oracle JavaFX marketing?



Well - it is newer and the split in FXML and Java code is very nice.

To some extent it can be viewed as the equivalent of going from servlet to JSP
to output HTML.

As of Java 7 Update 6 JavaFX is now supported on Windows (at least
Windows XP, Windows 2008, Windows 7), MacOS X and Linux and also runs on
some ARM based systems like Raspberry Pi. In addition, Oracle is doing
a significant amount of work on getting it to run on iOS and Android and
have demonstrated it on these platforms several times in recent months.

Yes.

But there are still a few using other platforms.

And a lot that is stuck on older Java versions.

For various reasons.

But I agree that if one has the choice then JavaFX should be preferred over
Swing.

Arne

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[Arne Vajhøj]

To: markspace
From: Arne Vajhoj <[email protected]>

Just curious: Metro = Windows 8? Because there's a few other Metros
floating around, and Microsoft has officially dropped the name Metro for
their new OS.

I suspect he means WP8 not Win8.

Arne

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[markspace]

To: Arne Vajhøj
From: markspace <-@.>

I suspect he means WP8 not Win8.

OK, so again please excuse my acronym ignorance, but what is WP8? WordPerfect
8?

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[Qu0ll]

To: markspace
From: "Qu0ll" <[email protected]>

"markspace" wrote in message

Just curious: Metro = Windows 8? Because there's a few other Metros
floating around, and Microsoft has officially dropped the name Metro for
their new OS.

I meant the Windows 8 subsystem formerly known as Metro. It does not support
executable memory along with other nice-to-haves like OpenGL.

Whatever it is called now, it may work well and be suitable on mobile/tablet
platforms but it is a total flop on the desktop IMHO.

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