Table Height definition

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Knut Krueger, May 16, 2006.

  1. Knut Krueger

    Knut Krueger Guest

    I would like to fix the height of some table cells
    The elements with links should have the same size as the jpg file for
    the link. The last (filling Element) should be expanded when the cell
    with the text gets larger than all the cells with the links.

    http://uni-regensburg.konstanze-krueger.de/german/person/index.php
    It works with firefox and netscape but not with IE
    Ok the code is now a little bit struggled because I tried a lot of
    things, but i do not found the difference between IE and nescape.

    Or I do not find my mistake -- maybe its any missing tag which works in
    netscape but not in IE

    <TABLE BORDER CELLPADDING="2">
    <TR>
    <TD></TD>
    <TD ROWSPAN=6> Element with text</TD>
    </TR>
    <TR>
    <TD> Link Element </TD>
    </TR>
    <TR>
    <TD>Link Element</TD>
    </TR>
    <TR>
    <TD>Link Element</TD>
    </TR>
    <TR>
    <TD>Link Element</TD>
    </TR>
    <TR>
    <TD> filling Element</TD>
    </TR>
    </TABLE>

    Regards Knut
     
    Knut Krueger, May 16, 2006
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  2. Knut Krueger

    Knut Krueger Guest

    Re: Table Height definition - better example code

    url of the code below http://www.einthal.de/uni/page2.html
    How could I get the first left row as samll as the image the second left
    row as big as the rest of the text at the right side.
    Regards Knut

    <HTML>
    <HEAD>

    <TITLE>Please title this page. (Page 1)</TITLE>
    </HEAD>
    <BODY>
    <TABLE BORDER CELLPADDING="2">
    <TR valign="top">
    <TD HEIGHT="31"><IMG
    SRC="http://einthal.de/uni/clipart/link_left_1.jpg"
    WIDTH="366" HEIGHT="31"></TD>
    <TD ROWSPAN=2>asfa
    <P>
    asf
    <P>
    asf
    <P>
    asf
    <P>
    asf
    <P>
    as
    <P>
    fa
    <P>
    sf
    <P>
    asf
    <P>
    as
    <P>
    fas
    <P>
    fa
    <P>
    sf
    <P>
    as
    <P>
    fas
    <P>
    fa
    <P>
    sf</TD>
    </TR>
    <TR>
    <TD height="100%"><IMG
    SRC="http://einthal.de/uni/clipart/link_left_empty_no_text.jpg"
    WIDTH="366" HEIGHT="100%" ALIGN="Top"></TD>
    </TR>
    </TABLE>
    <P>
    </BODY></HTML>
     
    Knut Krueger, May 16, 2006
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  3. Knut Krueger

    Spartanicus Guest

    Knut Krueger <> wrote:

    >I would like to fix the height of some table cells


    That suggests that you are abusing tables, they should be used for
    tabular data, if you do then there should be no need to fix the height.

    --
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    Spartanicus, May 16, 2006
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  4. Knut Krueger

    Knut Krueger Guest

    Spartanicus schrieb:
    > Knut Krueger <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I would like to fix the height of some table cells

    >
    >
    > That suggests that you are abusing tables, they should be used for
    > tabular data, if you do then there should be no need to fix the height.
    > ^


    Ok back to the internet of the 80th - Text only.

    1. Question
    Did you ever looked at the source code of any page with pictures for the
    links?
    2. question do you have any other suggestion for the problem exept tables

    further answers from other guys:
    do not use frames, do not use Iframes, do not use java if possible do
    not use javascript and from you do not use tables ..
    conclusion : Text only see above.

    Thanks for your help :)
     
    Knut Krueger, May 17, 2006
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  5. Knut Krueger wrote:
    >
    >
    > Spartanicus schrieb:
    >> Knut Krueger <> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> I would like to fix the height of some table cells

    >>
    >>
    >> That suggests that you are abusing tables, they should be used for
    >> tabular data, if you do then there should be no need to fix the height.
    >> ^

    >
    > Ok back to the internet of the 80th - Text only.
    >
    > 1. Question
    > Did you ever looked at the source code of any page with pictures for the
    > links?
    > 2. question do you have any other suggestion for the problem exept tables
    >
    > further answers from other guys:
    > do not use frames, do not use Iframes, do not use java if possible do
    > not use javascript and from you do not use tables ..
    > conclusion : Text only see above.
    >
    > Thanks for your help :)
    >


    If your have a list of links, put them in a list. Use CSS to style them
    if your want a vertical list or horizontal list, but it's still a list.
    Have paragraphs, them put them in P elements. If you want them indented
    or whatever then use CSS and style accordingly. Save tables for tabular
    data and not for placing bits here and there about the viewport. It is
    not the 80's you just missed the point.

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
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    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, May 17, 2006
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  6. Knut Krueger

    Spartanicus Guest

    Knut Krueger <> wrote:

    >>>I would like to fix the height of some table cells

    >>
    >> That suggests that you are abusing tables, they should be used for
    >> tabular data, if you do then there should be no need to fix the height.
    >> ^

    >
    >Ok back to the internet of the 80th - Text only.
    >
    >1. Question
    >Did you ever looked at the source code of any page with pictures for the
    >links?
    >2. question do you have any other suggestion for the problem exept tables


    You didn't state what the problem was, you just presented some bogus
    data along with your perception of a solution. We'd need to know what it
    is that you are actually trying to do before we can make meaningful
    suggestions.

    >further answers from other guys:
    >do not use frames, do not use Iframes, do not use java if possible do
    >not use javascript and from you do not use tables ..
    >conclusion : Text only see above.


    Unfortunately you seem to have gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick
    completely, that needs to change if you are going to learn.

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    Spartanicus, May 17, 2006
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  7. Knut Krueger

    Knut Krueger Guest

    Re:pPage layout [was] Table Height definition

    Hi Jonathan, hi Spartanicus
    sorry for the last answer, but you (Spartanicus) lined up in row with
    other guys with the words don't do this, but that's not your problem ...

    Ok will try to explain the demands:
    I would like to build a couple of links at the left hand side, no
    problem for me if they are in text mode only, but it is not state of the
    art and for a home page with scientific contents not acceptable (it is
    not my opinion...)

    |--------------------------|
    | Headlines |
    |__________________________|
    | | |
    |link | |
    |link | |
    |link | |
    |link | |
    |_______ | any type |
    | Last | of content |
    | cell | |
    | | (Data) |
    | with | |
    |back- | |
    |gound | |
    |image | |
    ----------------------------
    The pages should look like
    http://uni-regensburg.konstanze-krueger.de/

    but the contents of the data field is an IFrame

    Therefore I am able to give the bottom field with the background image a
    long heights and there will appear a second scroll bar if the contents
    is bigger than the iframe. Not very good but it works.

    So therefore I would like to improve the page.
    first problem I am not able to define the background image in a way that
    there is either no wall paper effect nor the image is too big or too
    small in all browser. I managed the problem with an image but not with
    an background image.

    So the last cell should expand automatically as big as necessary to fit
    the hole page size defined of the content of the data field,
    and the link images should meet without space.

    It works with width=100% but why does it not work with height=100%

    Jonathan, back to your answer. I missed the point, that happens, but do
    you have a suitable suggestion for this? for a couple of years everybody
    used frames for this, with the common problem: Your browser doesn't not ...

    Could you explain me the state of the art, or give me the link for such
    explanation. I know google ... but to find the right keywords in a
    foreign language is quite difficult and the most links of google with my
    commercial home page designers, or complete wrong newsgroup treads...

    Thanks Knut
     
    Knut Krueger, May 17, 2006
    #7
  8. On Wed, 17 May 2006 06:25:14 +0200, Knut Krueger <>
    wrote:

    > conclusion : Text only see above.


    You might want to reconsider that conclusion:

    Markup has a reason. When you use meaningful markup, you tell the browser
    (or what ever it is that visits your documents) what a document is and
    what the content of the document is. You tell the browser, for example:

    ,------------------------------------------------------------------------.
    | message | code |
    |==============================|=========================================|
    | This is an HTML 4.01 Strict | <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD |
    | of document | HTML 4.01//EN" |
    | - in standard compliance mode| "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">|
    | - in English | <html lang="en">[...]</html> |
    | The title of the document is | <title>Document Title</title> |
    | The type of content is | <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" |
    | | content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> |
    | Find the styles at | <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" |
    | | media="all" href="stylesheet.css"> |
    | Start rendering the content | <body> [...] </body> |
    | The pages heading, level 1 is| <h1>Pages Heading</h1> |
    | These are paragraphs | <p>paragraphs</p> |
    | These are other headings, | <h2>...</h2>, <h3>...</h3>, <h4>...</h4>|
    | of other levels | |
    | This is an unordered list | <ul> |
    | | <li>item</li> |
    | | <li>item</li> |
    | | <li>item</li> |
    | | </ul> |
    | This is an ordered list | <ol> |
    | | <li>item 1</li> |
    | | <li>item 2</li> |
    | | <li>item 3</li> |
    | | </ol> |
    | Here is some tabular data | See example code below (1) |
    | This is a link | <a href="foo.html">foo</a> |
    | This is an image | <img src="bar.png" alt="Description of |
    | | bar" title="Isn't this fun"> |
    | This is an inline quotation | <q>quotation</q> |
    | This is a blocklevel one | <blockquote>Whole paragraph</blockquote>|
    | And it's from him | <cite>Quoted party</cite> |
    | This is a bit of code | <code>&lt;body></code> |
    | This is an abbreviation | <abbr title="Hyper Text Markup |
    | | Language">HTML</abbr> |
    | This has strong emphasis | <strong>emphasis</strong> |
    | This bit of inline text is | <span lang="nl">Nederlands</span> |
    | in Dutch | |
    `------------------------------'-----------------------------------------'
    (1)
    <table
    summary="Two colums with side by side (1)
    what message is conveyed to the browser,
    (2) using what code">
    <caption>caption value</caption>
    <colgroup><col id="message"><col id="code"></colgroup>
    <thead>
    <tr>
    <th>message</th><th>code</th>
    </tr>
    </thead>
    <tbody>
    <tr>
    <td>HTML4.01 Strict</td><td><!DOCTYPE></td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>Standard Compliance</td><td>URL to DTD</td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td>title</td><td><title>...</title></td>
    </tr>
    </tbody>
    </table>

    Anyway you get the message.

    Using a table because of how it gets rendered in graphical browsers, is
    just the same as using <blockquote> to get an indented block of text, or
    <q> to get an italic word or phrase, or <h4> to get a block of text that
    is a bit bolder and larger than other text bits. It has nothing to do with
    markup. Your mind is fixed on how you think certain elements will look in
    certain browsers.

    Using proper markup, meaningful markup, has nothing what so ever to do
    with 'text only'. Forget the looks of elements. You can override any look
    into anything you want. Use proper markup first, meaningful markup. Then
    style what you have, using CSS.


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    Barbara de Zoete, May 17, 2006
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  9. Knut Krueger

    dorayme Guest

    In article <e4ct4i$fem$00$-online.com>,
    Knut Krueger <> wrote:

    > I would like to fix the height of some table cells
    > The elements with links should have the same size as the jpg file for
    > the link. The last (filling Element) should be expanded when the cell
    > with the text gets larger than all the cells with the links.
    >
    > http://uni-regensburg.konstanze-krueger.de/german/person/index.php
    > It works with firefox and netscape but not with IE
    > Ok the code is now a little bit struggled because I tried a lot of
    > things, but i do not found the difference between IE and nescape.
    >
    > Or I do not find my mistake -- maybe its any missing tag which works in
    > netscape but not in IE
    >
    > <TABLE BORDER CELLPADDING="2">



    It is hard to know quite what you are asking? What happens is
    this: those who could pinpoint a specific technical solution to a
    specific question will be unable to.

    On top of this, they would be highly unlikely to risk showing if
    what you are trying to do is not good practice. And you are
    certainly a sitting duck on this one.

    You will therefore get general advice which you will not have any
    background to understand properly. It will look like preaching.
    And all sorts of emotional terms will be used like "abusing
    tables" (which in fact is code for a reasonably developed and
    coherent idea in spite of it being a particularly silly
    expression and quite often used idiotically anyway)

    The beginning of your scrap of code does not inspire confidence:
    what do you mean <TABLE BORDER CELLPADDING="2">? What about the
    border? Don't answer this!

    Your code and the source code of the link you give is full of
    simple mistakes that you would be alerted to if you used a
    validator. You do need to do what you can first. And then, try to
    cut your problem down to the bare essentials to exhibit the
    problem you are experiencing.

    You need a basic tute on HTML and CSS. Why not start at
    http://locusmeus.com/html-css/list.html for some nice links.

    You see. How nice some of us can be. I'm the nicest around here.
    And then there are others. Spartanicus (God) is a tricky
    customer. Not for you, lamikin, yet... [a lamikin is an an
    innocent lamb...]

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, May 17, 2006
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  10. Knut Krueger

    Knut Krueger Guest

    dorayme schrieb:

    Hi dorayme
    >
    > The beginning of your scrap of code does not inspire confidence:
    > what do you mean <TABLE BORDER CELLPADDING="2">? What about the
    > border? Don't answer this!


    I do answer ... this is the code from an insert table button and
    normally I am changing it to border=?!? and wondered about the curios
    code a lot of times ..
    >
    > Your code and the source code of the link you give is full of
    > simple mistakes

    why ... there is not time and no money for creating perfect pages
    but seems that is a common problem. Normally they should present
    information, but an implemented information about the scientific quality
    of the owner is the layout of the site. The quality of layout not the
    quality of the code. I have not time to learn all things in live.
    Believe me I only try to fix some problems here. American Universities
    have guys for layout, specialized statistician and for a lot of things
    where we could dream about here. And I would read all recommended
    manuals ...
    And its not my job its my spare time.
    But this is another thing but ..
    Therefore I used the try and error method ... :-(


    And then, try to
    > cut your problem down to the bare essentials to exhibit the
    > problem you are experiencing.

    I tried it to cut it down in the second post

    >
    > You need a basic tute on HTML and CSS. Why not start at
    > http://locusmeus.com/html-css/list.html for some nice links.

    I changed the code a lot of times - visited a lot of links ( are you
    able to give me a link for this special problem?) and manuals but did
    not found any solution that fits. so what else should I do - try an
    error - struggle down the code and at least ask in an NG
    but you are right the first post was unreadable and unclear.

    >
    > You see. How nice some of us can be.


    yes the first NG without a flame for not using a real name .... Mike
    Black may be as real as dorayme but then the most NGs are satisfied :)

    Regards Knut
     
    Knut Krueger, May 17, 2006
    #10
  11. On Wed, 17 May 2006 11:08:51 +0200, Knut Krueger <>
    wrote:

    > I have not time to learn all things in live.
    > Believe me I only try to fix some problems here.


    By asking the participants of this newsgroup to put some effort in your
    problem, or rather in solving your problem, you could save some time. But:

    (1) You chose a group on Hyper Text Markup Language. Therefore the
    responses so far are focused on (proper use of) HTML. If this is not the
    input you're looking for, you might be better off trying to get some
    feedback in alt.www.webmaster. There is a more pragmatic attitude towards
    publishing on the web over there.
    (2) If your code has errors, it is unlikely that you're going to get very
    direct help. How are the participants in this or, or how are you to know
    that it is not the errors that are the cause of any unwanted effect.
    (3) Usenet newsgroups are not helpdesks. If you ask a question,
    participants in this group are going to discuss it. It might be you aks
    the wrong question (yes, there is something like asking the wrong
    question), because you create a problem rather than have one. Much like
    using inproper markup because the way it looks in some graphical browsers.
    In that case, people will point to you that there shouldn't be any
    problem, had you not created it yourself in the first place.

    Fixing true problems with help (and efford and time) of others is fine.
    Just don't present problems that shouldn't occur. And don't present code
    with errors in a group that is all about markup.

    Now, as to what you want to achieve: I have a page up that could be a bit
    like what you want. The content is in Dutch, but the markup and styles are
    not of course :) See if you can find something of your interest in that
    page:
    <URL:http://www.pretletters.net/voorbeelden/voorbeeld_menu-met-hovereffect.html>

    It is an example and it's not whithout some presentational problems (like
    the fact that the lower box in the left side slides underneath the upper
    box with the menu if the viewport is resized to a certain height). It's
    just to show that you don't always need tables to create certain looks.
    Another example is
    <URL:http://www.pretletters.net/_test/simulating_tables.html> which works
    well in Op8.5 and FF1.5. Haven't seen it recently in IE, but I think I
    remember that it even performs well in that browser.


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    Barbara de Zoete, May 17, 2006
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  12. Re: pPage layout [was] Table Height definition

    Knut Krueger wrote:
    >
    >
    > Hi Jonathan, hi Spartanicus
    > sorry for the last answer, but you (Spartanicus) lined up in row with
    > other guys with the words don't do this, but that's not your problem ...
    >
    > Ok will try to explain the demands:
    > I would like to build a couple of links at the left hand side, no
    > problem for me if they are in text mode only, but it is not state of the
    > art and for a home page with scientific contents not acceptable (it is
    > not my opinion...)
    >
    > |--------------------------|
    > | Headlines |
    > |__________________________|
    > | | |
    > |link | |
    > |link | |
    > |link | |
    > |link | |
    > |_______ | any type |
    > | Last | of content |
    > | cell | |
    > | | (Data) |
    > | with | |
    > |back- | |
    > |gound | |
    > |image | |
    > ----------------------------



    What I see here is *not* tabular data. Headlines is not tabular data and
    should not be in a table cell. It is just a section, treat it a such an
    put it in a DIV, then you have the option with CSS to place it at the
    top of the page, left, right, or whatever.

    The links are a list, make it a list. Want it on the left, again so be
    it, use CSS to style it so. Not a table. If you decide later to have the
    link on the right, if done correctly you can just change the stylesheet
    and voile your links are on the right! With tables as layout you MUST
    redo the page.

    Your example is the improper use of a table as layout. Not relying on
    table for layout does not result in a boring plain text site. Many
    examples on the web, my own site included.


    > The pages should look like
    > http://uni-regensburg.konstanze-krueger.de/
    >
    > but the contents of the data field is an IFrame
    >
    > Therefore I am able to give the bottom field with the background image a
    > long heights and there will appear a second scroll bar if the contents
    > is bigger than the iframe. Not very good but it works.
    >
    > So therefore I would like to improve the page.
    > first problem I am not able to define the background image in a way that
    > there is either no wall paper effect nor the image is too big or too
    > small in all browser. I managed the problem with an image but not with
    > an background image.
    >
    > So the last cell should expand automatically as big as necessary to fit
    > the hole page size defined of the content of the data field,
    > and the link images should meet without space.
    >
    > It works with width=100% but why does it not work with height=100%
    >
    > Jonathan, back to your answer. I missed the point, that happens, but do
    > you have a suitable suggestion for this? for a couple of years everybody
    > used frames for this, with the common problem: Your browser doesn't not ...
    >



    Frames, iframes have a whole host of problems which has been debated to
    death in this news group. We now have a better way, server side includes
    or server side scripting includes via PHP, Perl, ASP, ColdFusion, on
    infinitum...


    > Could you explain me the state of the art, or give me the link for such
    > explanation. I know google ... but to find the right keywords in a
    > foreign language is quite difficult and the most links of google with my
    > commercial home page designers, or complete wrong newsgroup treads...


    My personal dog site which I just upgraded the code and about to move to
    its own domain is creative in its layout without abusing tables IMO.

    http://www.littleworksstudio.com/Amberlithe

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
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    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, May 17, 2006
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  13. Knut Krueger

    Knut Krueger Guest

    Re: pPage layout [was] Table Height definition

    Jonathan N. Little schrieb:
    .....
    > My personal dog site which I just upgraded the code and about to move to
    > its own domain is creative in its layout without abusing tables IMO.
    >
    > http://www.littleworksstudio.com/Amberlithe
    >

    Looks good but one more question:
    where is the postion instruction of the id="nav" and the id="inner"
    located, so that is at the upper right corner?

    #nav { float: right; margin: 10px; border: 0; padding: 0; }

    Regards Knut
     
    Knut Krueger, May 17, 2006
    #13
  14. Re: pPage layout [was] Table Height definition

    Knut Krueger wrote:
    >
    >
    > Jonathan N. Little schrieb:
    > ....
    >> My personal dog site which I just upgraded the code and about to move
    >> to its own domain is creative in its layout without abusing tables IMO.
    >>
    >> http://www.littleworksstudio.com/Amberlithe
    >>

    > Looks good but one more question:
    > where is the postion instruction of the id="nav" and the id="inner"
    > located, so that is at the upper right corner?
    >
    > #nav { float: right; margin: 10px; border: 0; padding: 0; }


    the float: right; 'pulls' navbar out of the regular flow of the
    document and the margin: 10px; puts the 10px buffer zone that offsets
    the navbar down and to the left 10px. If it was margin: 0; the navbar
    would be push right up in the upper-right corner, I wanted the space.

    The margin also creates the 'breathing room' for the regular page
    content so that it does not slam right up to the navbar.

    If you go into a section, a submenu appears on the left. It also is not
    a table but a list and the 'flyout' is done with CSS styling and not
    JavaScript.

    The real advantage of all this is how it is all adaptable to different
    styling for different devices, with you can see by looking at the page
    in 'Print Preview'.

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
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    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, May 17, 2006
    #14
  15. Knut Krueger

    Knut Krueger Guest

    Re: pPage layout

    Jonathan N. Little schrieb:

    >
    > If you go into a section, a submenu appears on the left. It also is not
    > a table but a list and the 'flyout' is done with CSS styling and not
    > JavaScript.


    Great that's what I was looking for
    anything server basesed for implemented tools (like PHP) and the rest
    without JavaScript
    >
    > The real advantage of all this is how it is all adaptable to different
    > styling for different devices, with you can see by looking at the page
    > in 'Print Preview'.
    >


    It will take a couple of hours to try out and understandthe basic
    elements and how it works,
    Is this the right group for asking CSS styling or is it only html - as
    the name suggests.

    Do you recommend any step by step manual page for that stuff?



    Regards Knut
     
    Knut Krueger, May 17, 2006
    #15
  16. Knut Krueger

    Neredbojias Guest

    Re: pPage layout [was] Table Height definition

    To further the education of mankind, "Jonathan N. Little"
    <> vouchsafed:

    > My personal dog site which I just upgraded the code and about to move
    > to its own domain is creative in its layout without abusing tables
    > IMO.
    >
    > http://www.littleworksstudio.com/Amberlithe


    Very, very nice site. I dug into it a bit, and every page seems cordordant
    to and as erudite as the first. And speaking of the opening page, I
    particularly like how the text flows around the big chihuahua...

    --
    Neredbojias
    Infinity has its limits.
     
    Neredbojias, May 18, 2006
    #16
  17. Re: pPage layout [was] Table Height definition

    Neredbojias wrote:
    > To further the education of mankind, "Jonathan N. Little"
    > <> vouchsafed:
    >
    >> My personal dog site which I just upgraded the code and about to move
    >> to its own domain is creative in its layout without abusing tables
    >> IMO.
    >>
    >> http://www.littleworksstudio.com/Amberlithe

    >
    > Very, very nice site. I dug into it a bit, and every page seems cordordant


    Cordordant? I know what erudite is but you lost me there with
    cordordant. I have to keep a dictionary handy with your posts! I'll take
    it as a compliment though.

    > to and as erudite as the first. And speaking of the opening page, I
    > particularly like how the text flows around the big chihuahua...


    Big Chihuahua, I like that! Especially when my youngest all 65 pounds of
    2-year-old energized bone, muscle and sinew believes he is a lap dog!

    I have much more to do, but wait until I move it to its own domain. Not
    happy anyway with FatCow that much at the moment with their present odd
    server configuration. I cannot redirect to present a static URL and mask
    the queries to the database like I had originally planned.

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, May 18, 2006
    #17
  18. Knut Krueger

    dorayme Guest

    In article <e4ep72$17q$02$-online.com>,
    Knut Krueger <> wrote:

    > dorayme schrieb:
    >
    > Hi dorayme
    > >


    > > Your code and the source code of the link you give is full of
    > > simple mistakes

    > why ... there is not time and no money for creating perfect pages
    > but seems that is a common problem.


    No one is asking you to create perfect pages. Getting the code to
    validate is like making sure the ladder has enough strong rungs
    to climb it when you plan to clean a house gutter. You can cheat
    on all other 'best practice' things like a hat to protect you
    from the sun, shades to make you look really cool, music so you
    don't get bored stiff and fall off and gloves to keep spiders off
    your hands and having someone stand by in case you fall.

    > > You need a basic tute on HTML and CSS. Why not start at
    > > http://locusmeus.com/html-css/list.html for some nice links.



    > I changed the code a lot of times - visited a lot of links ( are you
    > able to give me a link for this special problem?) and manuals but did
    > not found any solution that fits. so what else should I do


    Honestly, it is important for you to get the basics at least
    roughly right before trying to tackle any "special problems".
    Best of luck anyway.

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, May 18, 2006
    #18
  19. Knut Krueger

    Neredbojias Guest

    Re: pPage layout [was] Table Height definition

    To further the education of mankind, "Jonathan N. Little"
    <> vouchsafed:

    > Neredbojias wrote:
    >> To further the education of mankind, "Jonathan N. Little"
    >> <> vouchsafed:
    >>
    >>> My personal dog site which I just upgraded the code and about to
    >>> move to its own domain is creative in its layout without abusing
    >>> tables IMO.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.littleworksstudio.com/Amberlithe

    >>
    >> Very, very nice site. I dug into it a bit, and every page seems
    >> cordordant

    >
    > Cordordant? I know what erudite is but you lost me there with
    > cordordant. I have to keep a dictionary handy with your posts! I'll
    > take it as a compliment though.


    Shoulda been "concordant", root meaning like "agreeable". -A typo.

    >> to and as erudite as the first. And speaking of the opening page, I
    >> particularly like how the text flows around the big chihuahua...

    >
    > Big Chihuahua, I like that! Especially when my youngest all 65 pounds
    > of 2-year-old energized bone, muscle and sinew believes he is a lap
    > dog!


    I never heard of an Ibizan dog before. With those ears, they could almost
    pass for Australian rabbits.

    > I have much more to do, but wait until I move it to its own domain.
    > Not happy anyway with FatCow that much at the moment with their
    > present odd server configuration. I cannot redirect to present a
    > static URL and mask the queries to the database like I had originally
    > planned.


    On my server, I can't send formmail "from" anybody but myself! (Probably
    because it's one of those servers which do require authorization for
    "from" mail.) Not the greatest...

    --
    Neredbojias
    Infinity has its limits.
     
    Neredbojias, May 18, 2006
    #19
  20. Re: pPage layout [was] Table Height definition

    Neredbojias wrote:
    > To further the education of mankind, "Jonathan N. Little"
    > <> vouchsafed:


    > I never heard of an Ibizan dog before. With those ears, they could almost
    > pass for Australian rabbits.


    Not surprising, they are a rare breed, < 100 registered with the AKC
    each year. They are basically a rabbit dog, for hunting without a gun
    in rocky, hilly, scrubby land of the Belaric Islands off of Spain. Catch
    and retrieve prey--many times live. I've got a picture around here
    somewhere of one of ours bringing a *live* young wild turkey to the
    house. Caused a little pandemonium in the living room!
    >
    >> I have much more to do, but wait until I move it to its own domain.
    >> Not happy anyway with FatCow that much at the moment with their
    >> present odd server configuration. I cannot redirect to present a
    >> static URL and mask the queries to the database like I had originally
    >> planned.


    Everything was fine until they 'upgraded' their servers about 2 years
    ago (major expansion?). They now have some strange config where the
    static content is handled by one set of servers and dynamic on others.
    The result reared its ugly head when my 404 handling script failed.
    Redirects cannot be done without a full URL so that a dynamic URL
    rewritten to appear as a static URL will not work, the real dynamic one
    will always appear in the address bar. Kinda blows with current trends
    to interface with a MySQL database! SO I am hosting hunting...

    >
    > On my server, I can't send formmail "from" anybody but myself! (Probably
    > because it's one of those servers which do require authorization for
    > "from" mail.) Not the greatest...
    >


    Wow, yeah that sucks. Can you at least set the 'Reply To:' in the header
    to the original sender's address?

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, May 18, 2006
    #20
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