Text Alignment

[FluxForums]

Having problems aligning text? Use tables!
All popular design programs allow for creation of tables.
For a great tutorial on tables check out http://tinyurl.com/ys3n5

 

[rf]

Having problems aligning text? Use tables!
All popular design programs allow for creation of tables.
For a great tutorial on tables check out http://tinyurl.com/ys3n5

Oh shit. Another bloody one!

 

[SpaceGirl]

Having problems aligning text? Use tables!
All popular design programs allow for creation of tables.
For a great tutorial on tables check out http://tinyurl.com/ys3n5

Awful!!!!! Totally ignore their advice... You should NOT USE tables for
layout. Use stylesheets. Are these guys idiots???

 

[Cameron]

Awful!!!!! Totally ignore their advice... You should NOT USE tables for
layout. Use stylesheets. Are these guys idiots???

Lol, see my reply to your other post and I wouldn't call anyone that
suggests tables for layout an idiot.


N.B.
Other post referring to "Re: How do I remove the border around images?"

 

[Steve R.]

SpaceGirl wrote in message ...

Awful!!!!! Totally ignore their advice... You should NOT USE tables for
layout. Use stylesheets. Are these guys idiots???

No not idiots. They are realists.

Tables are easy to create, they are stable when viewed on 99.99% of all
monitors, unlike CSS, which unless you are an absolute expert, often causes
problems with folks trying to use CSS. Just read some of the "CSS Problem"
type threads on the HTML newsgroups to understand just how much of a
problem to create *properly* they are.

There's probably less than 1% of all web designers use CSS *correctly*.

 

[Cameron]

SpaceGirl wrote in message ...



No not idiots. They are realists.

Tables are easy to create, they are stable when viewed on 99.99% of all
monitors, unlike CSS, which unless you are an absolute expert, often causes
problems with folks trying to use CSS. Just read some of the "CSS Problem"
type threads on the HTML newsgroups to understand just how much of a
problem to create *properly* they are.

There's probably less than 1% of all web designers use CSS *correctly*.

At last, THANK YOU! I'm so sick of all this CSS YAY, tables NO YOU SILLY
HOBBITSES crap.

Someone once replied to one of my posts and said that google and apache
don't know how to design websites because they use tables *shakes head*

~Cameron

 

[SpaceGirl]

At last, THANK YOU! I'm so sick of all this CSS YAY, tables NO YOU SILLY
HOBBITSES crap.

Someone once replied to one of my posts and said that google and apache
don't know how to design websites because they use tables *shakes head*

~Cameron

hehhe

what I meant was; it's easier and a LOT more efficient to do the two things
mentioned in these posts via CSS. There's nothing wrong with doing some
layout in tables (I do all the time), but for positioning blocks on the
screen!? Tables take 3 times the amount of code and completely block any
flexibility if you want to change your layout later on. The problem is, by
encouraging people to be lazy and "just do everything in tables", these are
the people who are going to be left floundering when they need to produce
something that is accessible, or are told by a client they want to change
the layout etc etc. This is all really easy in CSS. As for CSS problems;
there are very few. The layout BASICS work across all browsers - there are a
few niggles with the more quirky CSS mark-up, but a beginner is not likely
to come across these. Tables are far more likely to "not work".

 

[Cameron]

SpaceGirl wrote:

hehhe

what I meant was; it's easier and a LOT more efficient to do the two things
mentioned in these posts via CSS. There's nothing wrong with doing some
layout in tables (I do all the time), but for positioning blocks on the
screen!? Tables take 3 times the amount of code and completely block any
flexibility if you want to change your layout later on. The problem is, by
encouraging people to be lazy and "just do everything in tables", these are
the people who are going to be left floundering when they need to produce
something that is accessible, or are told by a client they want to change
the layout etc etc. This is all really easy in CSS. As for CSS problems;
there are very few. The layout BASICS work across all browsers - there are a
few niggles with the more quirky CSS mark-up, but a beginner is not likely
to come across these. Tables are far more likely to "not work".

Blocks on the screen www.phpnuke.org they use blocks quite successfully,
yes I know that the HTML is hideous to read but hey, it's a CMS who
needs to read the HTML

Flexability changing, I have myself a nice little template engine and
base functions to make setting up a website or changing the design nice
and easy, admitidly I haven't put it onto my current site yet but it was
a rush job, took me about 30 mins I think (http://www.eporcupine.co.uk)

I came accross a CSS problem a couple of hours ago actually, a
particular sites content was going off the left edge of the screen, and
no scroll bar!

~Cameron

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Quoth the raven named FluxForums:

Having problems aligning text? Use tables!
All popular design programs allow for creation of tables.
For a great tutorial on tables check out http://tinyurl.com/ys3n5

Great page!!!!! Only 171 errors!!!!!

<http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://resma.net/tutorials/html/tables.php>

Keep up the good work.

 

[SpaceGirl]

SpaceGirl wrote:


Blocks on the screen www.phpnuke.org they use blocks quite successfully,
yes I know that the HTML is hideous to read but hey, it's a CMS who
needs to read the HTML

Flexability changing, I have myself a nice little template engine and
base functions to make setting up a website or changing the design nice
and easy, admitidly I haven't put it onto my current site yet but it was
a rush job, took me about 30 mins I think (http://www.eporcupine.co.uk)

CSS doesn't require ANY serverside scripting

I came accross a CSS problem a couple of hours ago actually, a
particular sites content was going off the left edge of the screen, and
no scroll bar!

Well there are plenty of examples The fact that Mozilla doesn't display
some things right, does that mean that nobody should use anything except IE?
But then IE doesn't do XHTML/XML perfectly. That leaves us with... Opera?
Wait Opera screws up CSS too. Damn. Better stop using web browsers all
together

 

[Cameron]

are a



CSS doesn't require ANY serverside scripting




Well there are plenty of examples The fact that Mozilla doesn't display
some things right, does that mean that nobody should use anything except IE?
But then IE doesn't do XHTML/XML perfectly. That leaves us with... Opera?
Wait Opera screws up CSS too. Damn. Better stop using web browsers all
together

I know what server side scripting is and what CSS is, and also it's not
just Moz Firebird that displayed the page incorrectly Konqueror did as well.

~Cameron

 

[Karl Core]

Having problems aligning text? Use tables!
All popular design programs allow for creation of tables.
For a great tutorial on tables check out http://tinyurl.com/ys3n5

someone shoot this moron.

 

[Karl Core]

Lol, see my reply to your other post and I wouldn't call anyone that
suggests tables for layout an idiot.

i would

 

[Leif K-Brooks]

Well there are plenty of examples The fact that Mozilla doesn't display
some things right, does that mean that nobody should use anything except IE?
But then IE doesn't do XHTML/XML perfectly. That leaves us with... Opera?
Wait Opera screws up CSS too. Damn. Better stop using web browsers all
together

I haven't seen the site in question, but I'd be willing to bet Mozilla
was displaying it perfectly right.

 

[Hywel]

SpaceGirl wrote in message ...

No not idiots. They are realists.

Tables are easy to create, they are stable when viewed on 99.99% of all
monitors

What's the monitor got to do with it? (Clue: nothing)

 

[Cameron]

What's the monitor got to do with it? (Clue: nothing)

Lol, I think we have found the picky comment of the month!

~Cameron

 

[Cameron]

I haven't seen the site in question, but I'd be willing to bet Mozilla
was displaying it perfectly right.

Mozilla Firebird 0.7, Mozilla 1.3.1, Konqueror 3.1.2 All display it with
a little of the left hand side missing.

http://www.talkers.ws

~Cameron

 

[SpaceGirl]

Mozilla Firebird 0.7, Mozilla 1.3.1, Konqueror 3.1.2 All display it with
a little of the left hand side missing.

http://www.talkers.ws

~Cameron

The site in question is *not* valid HTML in any shape or form. It doesn't
even pass the most basic validation at www.w3.org. Browsers display CSS and
HTML *differently* depending on the DOCTYPE which is required in an HTML
document. This site doesn't contain one. If you then choose to ignore this
omission, there are 57 other critical errors, including purely broken HTML!
(theres a </head> tag with no opening <head>). So the whole thing comes down
to now what browsers can display what pages, but down to what browsers do
when they load totally trashed pages. No wonder it looks crap in some
browers!

 

[SpaceGirl]

<div class=outside style='position: absolute; width: 20%; top: 10px;
right: 10px;'>

Somehow that "position: absolute; right: 10px" is pushing the left side

off?

More likely trashed HTML elsewhere on the page is causing some browsers to
choke on the entire page render. It's packed full of bad HTML, incomplete
markup and errors.

 

[Paul Furman]

http://www.talkers.ws

<div class=outside style='position: absolute; width: 20%; top: 10px;
right: 10px;'>

Somehow that "position: absolute; right: 10px" is pushing the left side off?