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darksleuth

Hi. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me why the text on the far
right of this site extends off the viewable page. I've tried changing
the cellpadding and reducing the table size, all to no avail. Thanks.

http://cbcwalbrook.org/

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?brucie?=

Hi. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me why the text on the far
right of this site extends off the viewable page. I've tried changing
the cellpadding and reducing the table size, all to no avail. Thanks.

don't use tables for layout and don't use frames.

http://html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/l_vajzovic/tom/web/frames.html
http://www.karlcore.com/articles/article.php?id=2
http://david.us-lot.org/www/frames/

is it supposed to look like this?
http://usenet.alt-html.org/screencap05.png [31k]
 
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silas

brucie said:
Hi. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me why the text on the far
right of this site extends off the viewable page. I've tried changing
the cellpadding and reducing the table size, all to no avail. Thanks.

don't use tables for layout and don't use frames.

http://html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/l_vajzovic/tom/web/frames.html
http://www.karlcore.com/articles/article.php?id=2
http://david.us-lot.org/www/frames/

is it supposed to look like this?
http://usenet.alt-html.org/screencap05.png [31k]

I haven't used any frames. I've read that CSS is better than tables, I'll
have to learn a little more about that.

Is that really how it appeared to you? What browser are you using?

Will using CSS make the page more cross-browser compatible?

Thanks.

Dark
 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?brucie?=

I haven't used any frames.

sorry, i assumed the scrollbars everywhere were due to frames
I've read that CSS is better than tables,
very

Is that really how it appeared to you?
yep

What browser are you using?

opera 7.2.
Will using CSS make the page more cross-browser compatible?

your site will work with *any* internet browser/device that supports
html because if CSS isn't supported you're just left with semantically
structured html (if you markup your pages properly)
 
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Talc Ta Matt

Will using CSS make the page more cross-browser compatible?

CSS does nothing in terms of how the end user (the surfer) see's the site. It's
a developers tool per se. Some people find it easier to code with CSS instead
of all HTML.

Using CSS isn't a bad thing at all, but I wouldn't feel forced to drop tables
for DIV's yet.

In this case, DIV's may be a bad thing. It's a church, which means some older
people may be using the site who haven't upgraded their browsers in a long
time. Unlike what some people will say, if the CSS DIV's don't load properly it
can ruin the site's appearance.

DIV's do not always degrade nicely from a presentation perspective.
 
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rf

Talc Ta Matt said:
CSS does nothing in terms of how the end user (the surfer) see's the site. It's
a developers tool per se.

Er, what?

CSS is *all* about how the user see's the site. HTML describes the content
and CSS describes the presentational issues.
Some people find it easier to code with CSS instead
of all HTML.

Some people also use Windows instead of DOS :)
Using CSS isn't a bad thing at all, but I wouldn't feel forced to drop tables
for DIV's yet.

In this case, DIV's may be a bad thing. It's a church, which means some older
people may be using the site who haven't upgraded their browsers in a long
time.

All browsers from version 4 up have enough CSS support to achieve what the
OP has constructed, and do it better without, for example, the text flowing
off the right hand side of the canvas with no horizontal scroll bar.
Unlike what some people will say, if the CSS DIV's don't load properly it
can ruin the site's appearance.

This directly contradicts your opening statement above.
DIV's do not always degrade nicely from a presentation perspective.

If the author has done a good job then yes, the do.

Cheers
Richard.
 
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rf

darksleuth said:
Hi. I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me why the text on the far
right of this site extends off the viewable page. I've tried changing
the cellpadding and reducing the table size, all to no avail. Thanks.

http://cbcwalbrook.org/

What brucie said but to make the site usable until you get the errors fixed
simply remove the bit where you yourself have suggested that the content
extends off the viewable page:

body{

overflow:scroll;overflow-x:hidden

}



You might also rethink why the table containing the right two columns has
width=75%. With this you get a page that is wider than the canvas at less
than about 800 pixel canvas width. Couple this with the above CSS and you
get content that can not be viewed.



Cheers

Richard.
 

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