The death of Google Groups

Discussion in 'C Programming' started by Fabrizio J Bonsignore, Jul 28, 2012.

  1. The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    actually writing something!

    Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
    up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
    interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
    Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?

    In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
    groups are dead!

    I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE. The new
    interface is INEFFICIENT, and I am feeling it. I spent some time
    writing through an internet enable public booth phone and it was
    POSSIBLE. This thing here is supposedly magnitudes away in power and
    am having trouble with the new interface!

    I want the option to revert to the old groups without the overhead of
    whatever the system is doing to add the same, boring, actually
    oversized, internet buttons instead of plain agile links, and... new
    edit boxes that do not offer full functionality like native boxes?

    I think the maintainers of this dead product committed a mistake and
    had not the imagination to add new functionality or changes without
    making the interface look foreign and even non Occidental.

    So when do we go back to the old, plain, common interface with a
    choice? Mmmh?

    Danilo J Bonsignore
    Fabrizio J Bonsignore, Jul 28, 2012
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  2. Fabrizio J Bonsignore

    Tim Prince Guest

    On 7/28/2012 12:38 PM, Fabrizio J Bonsignore wrote:

    > So when do we go back to the old, plain, common interface with a
    > choice? Mmmh?


    You're posting through to usenet groups which are much older than Google
    groups. google gateway appears to have been your own choice. The next
    choice is yours. Use a normal newsgroup application, and one of the well
    run specialist newsgroup servers.

    --
    Tim Prince
    Tim Prince, Jul 28, 2012
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  3. בת×ריך ×™×•× ×©×‘×ª,28 ביולי 2012 18:16:56 UTC+1, מ×ת Tim Prince:
    >
    > You're posting through to usenet groups which are much older than Google
    > groups. google gateway appears to have been your own choice. The next
    > choice is yours. Use a normal newsgroup application, and one of the well
    > run specialist newsgroup servers.
    >

    I need to sack Google groups as well. I did have Outlook Express set up as a mailreader years ago. But it insisted on storing everything on the hard drive. But the new interface is unbearable.
    Malcolm McLean, Jul 30, 2012
    #3
  4. On 30/07/2012 21:52, Malcolm McLean wrote:

    > I need to sack Google groups as well. I did have Outlook
    > Express set up as a mailreader years ago. But it insisted
    > on storing everything on the hard drive. But the new
    > interface is unbearable.


    Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups. No
    password required. Job done :).
    Chicken McNuggets, Jul 31, 2012
    #4
  5. Fabrizio J Bonsignore

    Guest

    Chicken McNuggets wrote:
    > Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups.
    > No password required. Job done :).


    F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
    Access denied.
    Executing files from removable media is not allowed.

    Next suggestion.

    JGH
    , Jul 31, 2012
    #5
  6. Fabrizio J Bonsignore

    James Kuyper Guest

    On 07/31/2012 07:23 AM, wrote:
    > Chicken McNuggets wrote:
    >> Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups.
    >> No password required. Job done :).

    >
    > F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
    > Access denied.
    > Executing files from removable media is not allowed.
    >
    > Next suggestion.


    What system are you using that prohibits execution of programs on
    removable media? Given that you are using such a system, why are you
    trying to execute from removable media? Why not install thunderbird on
    non-removable media? The answers to those questions could help someone
    suggest a workable alternative.
    --
    James Kuyper
    James Kuyper, Jul 31, 2012
    #6
  7. Fabrizio J Bonsignore

    Noob Guest

    jgh wrote:
    > Chicken McNuggets wrote:
    >> Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups.
    >> No password required. Job done :).

    >
    > F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
    > Access denied.
    > Executing files from removable media is not allowed.
    >
    > Next suggestion.


    Do you just need someone to hold your hand?

    http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/thunderbird_portable/
    Noob, Jul 31, 2012
    #7
  8. In article <>, Fabrizio J Bonsignore <> writes:

    >The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    >ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    >Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    >reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    >new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    >actually writing something!
    >
    >Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
    >up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
    >interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
    >Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
    >
    >In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
    >groups are dead!
    >
    >I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.


    That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
    which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
    have chosen to use a web browser and Google.

    There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
    something you don't like, use something else.

    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    #include <Standard_Disclaimer>
    Life's too important to take seriously.
    Michael Stemper, Jul 31, 2012
    #8
  9. Chicken McNuggets <> writes:
    > On 30/07/2012 21:52, Malcolm McLean wrote:
    >> I need to sack Google groups as well. I did have Outlook
    > > Express set up as a mailreader years ago. But it insisted
    > > on storing everything on the hard drive. But the new
    > > interface is unbearable.

    >
    > Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups. No
    > password required. Job done :).


    I like news.eternal-september.org, also free. For my news client,
    I use gnus, which runs under emacs (you'll like gnus if and only
    if you like emacs).

    I think nntp.aioe.org is used by a lot of spammers; as a result, some
    people ignore all articles from that server.

    --
    Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
    "We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
    Keith Thompson, Jul 31, 2012
    #9
  10. Fabrizio J Bonsignore

    James Kuyper Guest

    On 08/01/2012 01:08 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
    > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:52:03 -0400, James Kuyper
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> On 07/31/2012 07:23 AM, wrote:
    >>> Chicken McNuggets wrote:
    >>>> Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups.


    I would strongly recommend news.eternal-september.org instead. Many
    spammers use nntp.aioe.org, and as a result, many spam filters
    automatically exclude all messages from their servers.

    >>>> No password required. Job done :).
    >>>
    >>> F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
    >>> Access denied.
    >>> Executing files from removable media is not allowed.
    >>>
    >>> Next suggestion.

    >>
    >> What system are you using that prohibits execution of programs on
    >> removable media? Given that you are using such a system, why are you
    >> trying to execute from removable media? Why not install thunderbird on
    >> non-removable media? The answers to those questions could help someone
    >> suggest a workable alternative.

    >
    >
    > Windows will do that, but the policy is usually only enforced by IT
    > departments. And in that case, he's probably not allowed to install
    > things on the non-removable drives either.


    If that's the issue, then ask IT to install it. If, for some reason,
    they object to thunderbird, ask them if there's any other news reader
    that they do approve of.
    --
    James Kuyper
    James Kuyper, Aug 1, 2012
    #10
  11. On 07/31/2012 01:11 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
    > In article<>, Fabrizio J Bonsignore<> writes:
    >
    >> The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    >> ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    >> Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    >> reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    >> new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    >> actually writing something!
    >>
    >> Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
    >> up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
    >> interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
    >> Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
    >>
    >> In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
    >> groups are dead!
    >>
    >> I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.

    >
    > That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
    > which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
    > have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
    >
    > There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
    > something you don't like, use something else.
    >


    For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
    people who make Firefox.

    I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
    news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
    "spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.

    Dave
    David Bernier, Aug 1, 2012
    #11
  12. On 08/01/2012 01:15 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    > On 07/31/2012 01:11 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
    >> In
    >> article<>,
    >> Fabrizio J Bonsignore<> writes:
    >>
    >>> The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    >>> ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    >>> Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    >>> reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    >>> new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    >>> actually writing something!
    >>>
    >>> Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
    >>> up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
    >>> interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
    >>> Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
    >>>
    >>> In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
    >>> groups are dead!
    >>>
    >>> I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.

    >>
    >> That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
    >> which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
    >> have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
    >>
    >> There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
    >> something you don't like, use something else.
    >>

    >
    > For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
    > people who make Firefox.
    >
    > I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
    > news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
    > "spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.
    >
    > Dave
    >


    P.S.:

    If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
    It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
    e.g.
    Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
    [etc. ]


    Same would apply to Linus Torvalds' post mentioning
    an OS kernel developped from Andrew Tannenbaum's
    Minix around 1991-1992.

    That's when searching at Google archives.
    David Bernier, Aug 1, 2012
    #12
  13. On Jul 31, 5:50 am, Chicken McNuggets <> wrote:
    > On 30/07/2012 21:52, Malcolm McLean wrote:
    >
    > > I need to sack Google groups as well. I did have Outlook

    >
    >  > Express set up as a mailreader years ago. But it insisted
    >  > on storing everything on the hard drive. But the new
    >  > interface is unbearable.
    >
    > Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups. No
    > password required. Job done :).
    >
    >


    I feel watched when I use Thunderbird. Particularly after the second
    prompt for mail password.

    Danilo J Bonsignore
    Fabrizio J Bonsignore, Aug 1, 2012
    #13
  14. Problem is... you fall on any computer at hand, browse log into google
    groups and you are there. Only other similar page-server I found did
    not survive my third or fourth post. And I even mean street internet
    enabled phone booths, so it is like no escaping here.

    Danilo J Bonsignore
    Fabrizio J Bonsignore, Aug 1, 2012
    #14
  15. On 08/01/2012 01:28 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    > On 08/01/2012 01:15 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    >> On 07/31/2012 01:11 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
    >>> In
    >>> article<>,
    >>>
    >>> Fabrizio J Bonsignore<> writes:
    >>>
    >>>> The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    >>>> ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    >>>> Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    >>>> reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    >>>> new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    >>>> actually writing something!
    >>>>
    >>>> Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
    >>>> up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
    >>>> interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
    >>>> Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
    >>>>
    >>>> In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
    >>>> groups are dead!
    >>>>
    >>>> I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.
    >>>
    >>> That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
    >>> which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
    >>> have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
    >>>
    >>> There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
    >>> something you don't like, use something else.
    >>>

    >>
    >> For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
    >> people who make Firefox.
    >>
    >> I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
    >> news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
    >> "spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.
    >>
    >> Dave
    >>

    >
    > P.S.:
    >
    > If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
    > It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
    > e.g.
    > Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
    > [etc. ]
    >


    Easier to find on David Rusin's web-pages:

    < http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/93_back/wiles > .


    >
    > Same would apply to Linus Torvalds' post mentioning
    > an OS kernel developped from Andrew Tannenbaum's
    > Minix around 1991-1992.
    >
    > That's when searching at Google archives.
    >
    >
    David Bernier, Aug 1, 2012
    #15
  16. On 08/01/2012 02:13 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    > On 08/01/2012 01:28 PM, David Bernier wrote:

    [...]

    >>
    >> P.S.:
    >>
    >> If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
    >> It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
    >> e.g.
    >> Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
    >> [etc. ]
    >>

    >
    > Easier to find on David Rusin's web-pages:
    >
    > < http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/93_back/wiles > .


    Or seems to be here (but harder to find):

    https://groups.google.com/group/sci...77511/858d4d62c111b74d?hl=en-GB͚d4d62c111b74d

    >
    >>
    >> Same would apply to Linus Torvalds' post mentioning
    >> an OS kernel developped from Andrew Tannenbaum's
    >> Minix around 1991-1992.
    >>
    >> That's when searching at Google archives.


    Dave
    David Bernier, Aug 1, 2012
    #16
  17. On 08/01/2012 02:30 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    > On 08/01/2012 02:13 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    >> On 08/01/2012 01:28 PM, David Bernier wrote:

    > [...]
    >
    >>>
    >>> P.S.:
    >>>
    >>> If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
    >>> It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
    >>> e.g.
    >>> Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
    >>> [etc. ]
    >>>

    >>
    >> Easier to find on David Rusin's web-pages:
    >>
    >> < http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/93_back/wiles > .


    The French give the same posting date as Dave Rusin:
    Subject : Fermat Status
    Date : 4 Dec 93 01:36:50 GMT

    cf.:

    < http://www.math.jussieu.fr/~romagny/exposes/conference_fermat.pdf >

    by Matthieu Romagny.

    [...]
    David Bernier, Aug 1, 2012
    #17
  18. Fabrizio J Bonsignore

    James Kuyper Guest

    On 08/01/2012 04:06 PM, Kenneth Brody wrote:
    > On 8/1/2012 6:47 AM, James Kuyper wrote:

    ....
    >> If that's the issue, then ask IT to install it. If, for some reason,
    >> they object to thunderbird, ask them if there's any other news reader
    >> that they do approve of.

    >
    > What are the odds that, given such an IT department, their answer would be
    > "just use IE9 and Google Groups"?


    Fairly good, but he'll never know for certain until he tries. I have
    occasionally been pleasantly surprised by my IT department's flexibility.
    James Kuyper, Aug 1, 2012
    #18
  19. On Aug 1, 9:06 pm, Kenneth Brody <> wrote:
    > On 8/1/2012 6:47 AM, James Kuyper wrote:
    > > On 08/01/2012 01:08 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
    > >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:52:03 -0400, James Kuyper
    > >> <> wrote:
    > >>> On 07/31/2012 07:23 AM, wrote:
    > >>>> Chicken McNuggets wrote:



    > >>>>                  F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
    > >>>>                       Access denied.
    > >>>>   Executing files from removable media is not allowed.

    > [...]
    > >> Windows will do that, but the policy is usually only enforced by IT
    > >> departments.  And in that case, he's probably not allowed to install
    > >> things on the non-removable drives either.

    >
    > > If that's the issue, then ask IT to install it. If, for some reason,
    > > they object to thunderbird, ask them if there's any other news reader
    > > that they do approve of.

    >
    > What are the odds that, given such an IT department, their answer would be
    > "just use IE9 and Google Groups"?


    or: "what's a newsgroup and why would you need to access one during
    work time?"
    Nick Keighley, Aug 2, 2012
    #19
  20. On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:16:56 PM UTC, Tim Prince wrote:
    >
    > You're posting through to usenet groups which are much older than Google
    >
    > groups. google gateway appears to have been your own choice. The next
    >
    > choice is yours. Use a normal newsgroup application, and one of the well
    >
    > run specialist newsgroup servers.
    >


    Are there reliable free newsgroup servers :)
    lovecreatesbeauty, Aug 14, 2012
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