The Evil American Corprotocracy

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  1. Guest

    Been at this for 25 years (since writing assemblers on
    zilog/intel's .. z80a/8080/8086, all motorola's, wrote
    dynamic link libraries on Amiga 1000's (Lattice c),
    ..., and up the food chain, basic, c/c++ compilers (all of them),
    used emacs editor in 1985, have every issue of Byte magazine (4 sale),
    dos extenders, tsr's, device drivers (dos/NT <- people aren't aware
    that win32 is just a wrapper into the kernel), gui (lots, with
    owner drawn controls), sql, mdac (recordsets, lots, et all),
    com (interface), com+ (active X-same,, client side, but I don't
    allow it on my machine), jscript (not my fav), here after it
    doesen't matter)). I'm probably getting tired of it all.
    There are some things through the years that captured my interest,
    this thread topic being one. Reason being is that through the
    years there are some things that never change, code performance
    seems to follow the inherant capabilities of the cpu (assembly).
    I'm so old I know and studied how micro-code works.
    I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering (82) and discovered
    bbs (Mustang software) then Usenet shortly after. WWW was something
    that came later. I'll never forget my 2400 Ventel modem. So much
    money was spent in those days for so little by todays comparison.
    I build my own machines, have since those days. I've always kept
    active programming, hours and hours on end. To date estimated at
    something over 15 million lines of code. I've been a paid
    proffesional programmer (mostly I designed and programmed) since
    1983. I think Pascal was my first job on a Univac (tty) working
    as a ME. In 1981 I had an electronics elective at my college,
    taught by (Phd) the main designer of .... the IBM pc. In 82 it came
    out. We were 30 miles from IBM dev center. It was pcdos 1 (hahaha).
    All my instructors were Phd's who in the case of my thermo classes
    typcially an hour was he starts writing entropy formulea at the top
    left of one blackboard, wrapps to the next and the next. That was
    a typical day in the thermo classes. I needed an escape. I started
    doing programs on my hp30c calculator. That I think brought me
    to this point in my life. I believe I have contributed. I believe
    that our technical society is built on the shoulders of giants
    who stood on other giants shoulders (omg stop this now). Well..
    whatever. I'm optimistic about the future.. If corporations,
    who think of programmers as a "resource" remember that they are human
    beings then it will be ok. Now its offshore and outsourcing started
    in the dot com days because they do not have enough so called
    technical experts. Cat left the bag, outsourcing is not just for
    technical experts anymore. In the future, I'm sure you will place
    your McDonalds order to India at the window. Jeez......

    Time to "unionize" and get back America.
    Let me give you a simple example of how a "baseline" works:
    The electric power generating plants burn just enough oil to
    produce a baseline of power based on projected need at a certain
    seasonal point. This is the cheapest they can produce energy
    as it is guaranteed to be consumed using heating oil, the
    lowest of the refinery processes. They use it to boil water
    that drives their steam turbines. When summer comes, the
    energy demand spikes, they have to use added generating power
    from machinery such as a jet engine. This doubles their cost
    to produce the same KWH as the other fuel. However, it
    provides the same electricity but at a higher production
    cost. Your not charged that cost unless you go over your
    linear usage beyond the baseline, at which you are charged
    the doubled price "over" your baseline based on averages.

    If you flip the model upside down, whats going on today is
    your American wage is "compared" with the "lowest" wage they
    can get, and that is the baseline instead of the spike.
    The effect is to cause you, an American to take a much
    "lower" wage based on the spike, even though you are the
    baseline. Remember its flipped, so you the "baseline"
    should be at a much higher wage, but you are being
    brainwashed to think the spike is the norm.

    You would think then that corporations "will" replace
    you job with the spike, the offshore workers at 1/10th
    the price. In reality, if the 90% baseline Americans
    technical "resources" were to decline the offer of
    less pay, the corporations in America would be forced
    to run their development on the "spike" layer,
    representing 10% of development. So they would need
    10 years to develope a product that would normally
    take 1 year. To be more precise, if all American
    developers declined to work for 4 - 1/2 weeks, it would
    push back the product release for 1 year. If
    off shore developers proportionally declined it would
    push back the release for 3 weeks.

    Actually it should the the power company model, where
    the "spike" is more expensive. Instead its the reverse.
    The "spike" is cheaper, and presto chango, the flim-flam
    man translates that into "the baseline has to be 1/2
    the spike". But in America, you can't pay technical
    folks 2 dollars an hour, so the corporate line is
    "These experts are making 1/3 rd of what you are, so
    you should make at least half" In reality, American
    techies are the "baseline" of corprate develpment.
    The thought that you can be replaced looms large.
    Did you ever think: OK, replace me! When you demand
    I come back, be aware I want my lost wages and
    without loss of benefits nor pay.
    Gentlemen, the demand for technical development
    will only "increase". The fact is, you are
    brainwashed to think your job is in jepordy
    by the "spike" when in reality, you, the
    American techinical expert are the "baseline"
    for corporate and worldwide development.

    The only recourse is to unionize. Engineers do it,
    all technical fields do it. Time to act. Right
    now the corporate world has the idiom of a
    seasonal "hire up" to deliver products, then
    "fire down" after. When you see an add for
    a "permanent" position specialist to write
    a device driver for their product, what does
    that mean to you? A device driver could take
    at most 3 months to develop. And a company
    wants to offer you a "permanent" position?
    Well a permanent position pays "alot" less than
    a specialized contract one. Gee, why would a
    company want you to be permanent for that?

    To be continued...
     
    , Oct 31, 2005
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  2. In article <>,
    wrote:

    > Been at this for 25 years (since writing assemblers on
    >
    >[brain bilge deleted]
    >
    > To be continued...


    someone needs to take their meds and shouldn't be in the day room using
    computers while unsupervised.

    --
     
    Percival John Hackworth, Oct 31, 2005
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  3. fishfry Guest

    In article <>,
    wrote:

    > Been at this for 25 years (since writing assemblers on
    > zilog/intel's .. z80a/8080/8086, all motorola's, wrote
    > dynamic link libraries on Amiga 1000's (Lattice c),
    > .., and up the food chain, basic, c/c++ compilers (all of them),
    > used emacs editor in 1985, have every issue of Byte magazine (4 sale),
    > dos extenders, tsr's, device drivers (dos/NT <- people aren't aware
    > that win32 is just a wrapper into the kernel), gui (lots, with
    > owner drawn controls), sql, mdac (recordsets, lots, et all),
    > com (interface), com+ (active X-same,, client side, but I don't
    > allow it on my machine), jscript (not my fav), here after it
    > doesen't matter)). I'm probably getting tired of it all.
    > There are some things through the years that captured my interest,
    > this thread topic being one. Reason being is that through the
    > years there are some things that never change, code performance
    > seems to follow the inherant capabilities of the cpu (assembly).
    > I'm so old I know and studied how micro-code works.
    > I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering (82) and discovered
    > bbs (Mustang software) then Usenet shortly after. WWW was something
    > that came later. I'll never forget my 2400 Ventel modem. So much
    > money was spent in those days for so little by todays comparison.
    > I build my own machines, have since those days. I've always kept
    > active programming, hours and hours on end. To date estimated at
    > something over 15 million lines of code. I've been a paid
    > proffesional programmer (mostly I designed and programmed) since
    > 1983. I think Pascal was my first job on a Univac (tty) working
    > as a ME. In 1981 I had an electronics elective at my college,
    > taught by (Phd) the main designer of .... the IBM pc. In 82 it came
    > out. We were 30 miles from IBM dev center. It was pcdos 1 (hahaha).
    > All my instructors were Phd's who in the case of my thermo classes
    > typcially an hour was he starts writing entropy formulea at the top
    > left of one blackboard, wrapps to the next and the next. That was
    > a typical day in the thermo classes. I needed an escape. I started
    > doing programs on my hp30c calculator. That I think brought me
    > to this point in my life. I believe I have contributed. I believe
    > that our technical society is built on the shoulders of giants
    > who stood on other giants shoulders (omg stop this now). Well..
    > whatever. I'm optimistic about the future.. If corporations,
    > who think of programmers as a "resource" remember that they are human
    > beings then it will be ok. Now its offshore and outsourcing started
    > in the dot com days because they do not have enough so called
    > technical experts. Cat left the bag, outsourcing is not just for
    > technical experts anymore. In the future, I'm sure you will place
    > your McDonalds order to India at the window. Jeez......
    >
    > Time to "unionize" and get back America.
    > Let me give you a simple example of how a "baseline" works:
    > The electric power generating plants burn just enough oil to
    > produce a baseline of power based on projected need at a certain
    > seasonal point. This is the cheapest they can produce energy
    > as it is guaranteed to be consumed using heating oil, the
    > lowest of the refinery processes. They use it to boil water
    > that drives their steam turbines. When summer comes, the
    > energy demand spikes, they have to use added generating power
    > from machinery such as a jet engine. This doubles their cost
    > to produce the same KWH as the other fuel. However, it
    > provides the same electricity but at a higher production
    > cost. Your not charged that cost unless you go over your
    > linear usage beyond the baseline, at which you are charged
    > the doubled price "over" your baseline based on averages.
    >
    > If you flip the model upside down, whats going on today is
    > your American wage is "compared" with the "lowest" wage they
    > can get, and that is the baseline instead of the spike.
    > The effect is to cause you, an American to take a much
    > "lower" wage based on the spike, even though you are the
    > baseline. Remember its flipped, so you the "baseline"
    > should be at a much higher wage, but you are being
    > brainwashed to think the spike is the norm.
    >
    > You would think then that corporations "will" replace
    > you job with the spike, the offshore workers at 1/10th
    > the price. In reality, if the 90% baseline Americans
    > technical "resources" were to decline the offer of
    > less pay, the corporations in America would be forced
    > to run their development on the "spike" layer,
    > representing 10% of development. So they would need
    > 10 years to develope a product that would normally
    > take 1 year. To be more precise, if all American
    > developers declined to work for 4 - 1/2 weeks, it would
    > push back the product release for 1 year. If
    > off shore developers proportionally declined it would
    > push back the release for 3 weeks.
    >
    > Actually it should the the power company model, where
    > the "spike" is more expensive. Instead its the reverse.
    > The "spike" is cheaper, and presto chango, the flim-flam
    > man translates that into "the baseline has to be 1/2
    > the spike". But in America, you can't pay technical
    > folks 2 dollars an hour, so the corporate line is
    > "These experts are making 1/3 rd of what you are, so
    > you should make at least half" In reality, American
    > techies are the "baseline" of corprate develpment.
    > The thought that you can be replaced looms large.
    > Did you ever think: OK, replace me! When you demand
    > I come back, be aware I want my lost wages and
    > without loss of benefits nor pay.
    > Gentlemen, the demand for technical development
    > will only "increase". The fact is, you are
    > brainwashed to think your job is in jepordy
    > by the "spike" when in reality, you, the
    > American techinical expert are the "baseline"
    > for corporate and worldwide development.
    >
    > The only recourse is to unionize. Engineers do it,
    > all technical fields do it. Time to act. Right
    > now the corporate world has the idiom of a
    > seasonal "hire up" to deliver products, then
    > "fire down" after. When you see an add for
    > a "permanent" position specialist to write
    > a device driver for their product, what does
    > that mean to you? A device driver could take
    > at most 3 months to develop. And a company
    > wants to offer you a "permanent" position?
    > Well a permanent position pays "alot" less than
    > a specialized contract one. Gee, why would a
    > company want you to be permanent for that?
    >
    > To be continued...


    Can you imagine a union programming shop? One guy would do all the for
    loops and another worker would do the while loops. They wouldn't be
    allowed to do each other's jobs.

    If there ever was a time for programmers to unionize, it was about 20 or
    maybe 30 years ago. Way too late now. Bits flow over wires. Bitstreams
    will be created where it's cheapest to create them.
     
    fishfry, Nov 7, 2005
    #3
  4. John Bokma Guest

    wrote:

    > something over 15 million lines of code. I've been a paid
    > proffesional programmer (mostly I designed and programmed) since

    ^^^^^

    Funny :-D

    > To be continued...


    Hopefully a very short summary of your point :-D.

    --
    John Small Perl scripts: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
    Perl programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
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    John Bokma, Nov 7, 2005
    #4
  5. robic0 Guest

    On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:14:53 -0800, fishfry <>
    wrote:

    >In article <>,
    > wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> To be continued...

    >
    >Can you imagine a union programming shop? One guy would do all the for
    >loops and another worker would do the while loops. They wouldn't be
    >allowed to do each other's jobs.


    The way it is now:

    The new guy has to guy has to read/resolve 100,000 lines of code to go
    to the one line of code that burned up the space shuttle .....
    a while loop.

    Be careful what you trivialize.

    >
    >If there ever was a time for programmers to unionize, it was about 20 or
    >maybe 30 years ago. Way too late now. Bits flow over wires.


    Your light switch flows over wires, electricians didn't wait 20 or
    30 years.

    > Bitstreams will be created where it's cheapest to create them.


    Water will flow downhill until its dammed up. Engineers are taught
    from day 1 technical discipline analagies that put all science in
    perspective. Last I heard "bits" were nothing but a JK flip-flop
    floating on the engineers semi-conductor gating train, known
    as a transistor. Maybe you believe bitstreams are something like
    from the astronomical heavens, something you think will
    provide amunition and arm yourself with witt and wittisisms to
    throw like a weapon against your foes or half-witts.

    There's always the web and its forums for the intellectuals
    such as yourself.
     
    robic0, Nov 10, 2005
    #5
  6. robic0 Guest

    On 7 Nov 2005 06:13:42 GMT, John Bokma <> wrote:

    > wrote:
    >
    >> something over 15 million lines of code. I've been a paid
    >> proffesional programmer (mostly I designed and programmed) since

    > ^^^^^

    ^^^^^ huh? syntax?
    >
    >Funny :-D
    >
    >> To be continued...

    >
    >Hopefully a very short summary of your point :-D.


    Just skimming the forums or did you have a particular
    question or thought on what you didn't read?
     
    robic0, Nov 10, 2005
    #6
  7. robic0 Guest

    On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:52:34 -0800, Percival John Hackworth
    <> wrote:

    >In article <>,
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Been at this for 25 years (since writing assemblers on
    >>
    >>[brain bilge deleted]

    never enterred you brain, lobotomy is not necessary
    >>
    >> To be continued...

    >
    >someone needs to take their meds and shouldn't be in the day room using
    >computers while unsupervised.

    I'm holding your reds, anytime your ready for them back, let me know
     
    robic0, Nov 10, 2005
    #7
  8. Guest

    schrieb:

    [union propaganda]

    Frank Zappa: Stick Together

    This is a song about the union, friends
    How they fucked you over and the way they bends
    The rules to suit a special few
    And you gets pooched every time they do

    You know we gotta stick together
    You know we gotta stick together
    You know we gotta stick together
    You know we gotta stick together

    Once upon a time the idea was good
    If only they'd a done what they said they would
    It ain't no better, they's makin' it worse
    The labor movement's got the Mafia curse

    You know we gotta stick together
    You know we gotta stick together
    You know we gotta stick together
    You know we gotta stick together

    Don't be no fool, don't be no dope
    Common sense is your only hope
    When the union tells you it's time to strike
    Tell the motherfucker to take a hike
     
    , Nov 10, 2005
    #8
  9. Dr.Ruud Guest

    John Bokma:
    > :
    >
    >> something over 15 million lines of code. I've been a paid
    >> proffesional programmer (mostly I designed and programmed) since

    > ^^^^^
    >
    > Funny :-D
    >
    >> To be continued...

    >
    > Hopefully a very short summary of your point :-D.


    NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.175.154.92 was also used by "Ben Wa".

    --
    Affijn, Ruud

    "Gewoon is een tijger."
     
    Dr.Ruud, Nov 11, 2005
    #9
  10. John Bokma Guest

    "Dr.Ruud" <> wrote:

    > John Bokma:
    >> :
    >>
    >>> something over 15 million lines of code. I've been a paid
    >>> proffesional programmer (mostly I designed and programmed) since

    >> ^^^^^
    >>
    >> Funny :-D
    >>
    >>> To be continued...

    >>
    >> Hopefully a very short summary of your point :-D.

    >
    > NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.175.154.92 was also used by "Ben Wa".


    Hmmm....


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    Perl programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
    I ploink googlegroups.com :)
     
    John Bokma, Nov 11, 2005
    #10
  11. robic0 Guest

    On 10 Nov 2005 06:51:27 -0800, wrote:

    >
    > schrieb:
    >
    >[union propaganda]
    >
    >Frank Zappa: Stick Together
    >
    >This is a song about the union, friends
    >How they fucked you over and the way they bends
    >The rules to suit a special few
    >And you gets pooched every time they do
    >
    >You know we gotta stick together
    >You know we gotta stick together
    >You know we gotta stick together
    >You know we gotta stick together
    >
    >Once upon a time the idea was good
    >If only they'd a done what they said they would
    >It ain't no better, they's makin' it worse
    >The labor movement's got the Mafia curse
    >
    >You know we gotta stick together
    >You know we gotta stick together
    >You know we gotta stick together
    >You know we gotta stick together
    >
    >Don't be no fool, don't be no dope
    >Common sense is your only hope
    >When the union tells you it's time to strike
    >Tell the motherfucker to take a hike

    The unions take and give. They take
    a percentage off the top just like
    the feds/state do in taxes.
    The only difference is they guarantee
    a minimum paycheck that you can take
    to the bank and buy a house or get a
    loan. Perhaps you should outsource
    sex, or would you like a "minimum" as well?
     
    robic0, Nov 13, 2005
    #11
  12. robic0 Guest

    On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:10:59 +0100, "Dr.Ruud"
    <> wrote:

    >John Bokma:
    >> :
    >>
    >>> something over 15 million lines of code. I've been a paid
    >>> proffesional programmer (mostly I designed and programmed) since

    >> ^^^^^
    >>
    >> Funny :-D
    >>
    >>> To be continued...

    >>
    >> Hopefully a very short summary of your point :-D.

    >
    >NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.175.154.92 was also used by "Ben Wa".

    Perhaps you would like to exclude God from these forums?
     
    robic0, Nov 13, 2005
    #12
  13. robic0 Guest

    On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:10:59 +0100, "Dr.Ruud"
    <> wrote:

    >John Bokma:
    >> :
    >>
    >>> something over 15 million lines of code. I've been a paid
    >>> proffesional programmer (mostly I designed and programmed) since

    >> ^^^^^
    >>
    >> Funny :-D
    >>
    >>> To be continued...

    >>
    >> Hopefully a very short summary of your point :-D.

    >
    >NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.175.154.92 was also used by "Ben Wa".

    Just a casual reater but, I would hope that Ben Wa taught you a
    lesson Dr Rude, perhaps your single expression can't be written
    for Ben Wa. Or can it?
     
    robic0, Nov 13, 2005
    #13
  14. John Bokma Guest

    robic0 wrote:

    > Just a casual reater but, I would hope that Ben Wa taught you a
    > lesson Dr Rude, perhaps your single expression can't be written
    > for Ben Wa. Or can it?


    Did I hear a nice sound?

    --
    John Small Perl scripts: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
    Perl programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
    I ploink googlegroups.com :)
     
    John Bokma, Nov 13, 2005
    #14
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