The issue of Spam and Mail Servers and legitimate use

Discussion in 'ASP .Net' started by dejavue82@yahoo.com, Mar 3, 2007.

  1. Guest

    Hello,

    I am currently hosting an asp.net site on a shared crystaltech server,
    which involves sending email via their mail servers. The problem is
    that most of crystal tech's mail servers have been marked as 'spam
    servers', and therefore email sent to aol or yahoo accounts are
    rejected. This is of course not acceptable for a commercial online app
    that depends on email messages getting received by its users.

    Is this the case with most mail servers online? Is there a way around
    this? What is a web app developer to do, whose intentions is not to
    spam, but whose app requires the legitimate use of mail servers?

    Thank you for your time and help.

    Regards,

    Jim
     
    , Mar 3, 2007
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  2. re:
    > What is a web app developer to do, whose intentions is not to
    > spam, but whose app requires the legitimate use of mail servers?


    Either use your own smtp server or host at an ISP which is not blacklisted.




    Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
    asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
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    <> wrote in message news:...
    > Hello,
    >
    > I am currently hosting an asp.net site on a shared crystaltech server,
    > which involves sending email via their mail servers. The problem is
    > that most of crystal tech's mail servers have been marked as 'spam
    > servers', and therefore email sent to aol or yahoo accounts are
    > rejected. This is of course not acceptable for a commercial online app
    > that depends on email messages getting received by its users.
    >
    > Is this the case with most mail servers online? Is there a way around
    > this? What is a web app developer to do, whose intentions is not to
    > spam, but whose app requires the legitimate use of mail servers?
    >
    > Thank you for your time and help.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Jim
    >
     
    Juan T. Llibre, Mar 3, 2007
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  3. Guest

    On Mar 3, 3:08 pm, "Juan T. Llibre" <> wrote:
    > re:
    >
    > > What is a web app developer to do, whose intentions is not to
    > > spam, but whose app requires the legitimate use of mail servers?

    >
    > Either use your own smtp server or host at an ISP which is not blacklisted.
    >
    > Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
    > asp.net faq :http://asp.net.do/faq/
    > foros de asp.net, en español :http://asp.net.do/foros/
    > ===================================
    >
    >
    >
    > <> wrote in messagenews:...
    > > Hello,

    >
    > > I am currently hosting an asp.net site on a shared crystaltech server,
    > > which involves sending email via their mail servers. The problem is
    > > that most of crystal tech's mail servers have been marked as 'spam
    > > servers', and therefore email sent to aol or yahoo accounts are
    > > rejected. This is of course not acceptable for a commercial online app
    > > that depends on email messages getting received by its users.

    >
    > > Is this the case with most mail servers online? Is there a way around
    > > this? What is a web app developer to do, whose intentions is not to
    > > spam, but whose app requires the legitimate use of mail servers?

    >
    > > Thank you for your time and help.

    >
    > > Regards,

    >
    > > Jim- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > - Show quoted text -




    Hi Juan,

    How does one go about finding this out about a given ISP? Is there a
    list?

    Thanks.
     
    , Mar 3, 2007
    #3
  4. re:
    !>How does one go about finding this out about a given ISP? Is there a list?

    You can query any of several public services.

    http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml

    http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/





    Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
    asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
    foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
    ===================================
    <> wrote in message news:...
    On Mar 3, 3:08 pm, "Juan T. Llibre" <> wrote:
    > re:
    >
    > > What is a web app developer to do, whose intentions is not to
    > > spam, but whose app requires the legitimate use of mail servers?

    >
    > Either use your own smtp server or host at an ISP which is not blacklisted.
    >
    > Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
    > asp.net faq :http://asp.net.do/faq/
    > foros de asp.net, en español :http://asp.net.do/foros/
    > ===================================
    >
    >
    >
    > <> wrote in messagenews:...
    > > Hello,

    >
    > > I am currently hosting an asp.net site on a shared crystaltech server,
    > > which involves sending email via their mail servers. The problem is
    > > that most of crystal tech's mail servers have been marked as 'spam
    > > servers', and therefore email sent to aol or yahoo accounts are
    > > rejected. This is of course not acceptable for a commercial online app
    > > that depends on email messages getting received by its users.

    >
    > > Is this the case with most mail servers online? Is there a way around
    > > this? What is a web app developer to do, whose intentions is not to
    > > spam, but whose app requires the legitimate use of mail servers?

    >
    > > Thank you for your time and help.

    >
    > > Regards,

    >
    > > Jim- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > - Show quoted text -




    Hi Juan,

    How does one go about finding this out about a given ISP? Is there a
    list?

    Thanks.
     
    Juan T. Llibre, Mar 3, 2007
    #4
  5. If your hosting company is on a blacklist for mail spamming then you should
    "only" think about finding a reputable hosting company and dumping them
    ASAP. You get blacklisted for allowing hosters to send out spam and doing
    nothing about it - this type of company are usually very unreliable and you
    should expect problems with support down the line as they are usually only
    interested in getting money in and dont normally give two hoots when
    problems arise.

    Regards

    John Timney (MVP)
    http://www.johntimney.com
    http://www.johntimney.com/blog


    "Juan T. Llibre" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > re:
    > !>How does one go about finding this out about a given ISP? Is there a
    > list?
    >
    > You can query any of several public services.
    >
    > http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml
    >
    > http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
    > asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
    > foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
    > ===================================
    > <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > On Mar 3, 3:08 pm, "Juan T. Llibre" <> wrote:
    >> re:
    >>
    >> > What is a web app developer to do, whose intentions is not to
    >> > spam, but whose app requires the legitimate use of mail servers?

    >>
    >> Either use your own smtp server or host at an ISP which is not
    >> blacklisted.
    >>
    >> Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
    >> asp.net faq :http://asp.net.do/faq/
    >> foros de asp.net, en español :http://asp.net.do/foros/
    >> ===================================
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> <> wrote in
    >> messagenews:...
    >> > Hello,

    >>
    >> > I am currently hosting an asp.net site on a shared crystaltech server,
    >> > which involves sending email via their mail servers. The problem is
    >> > that most of crystal tech's mail servers have been marked as 'spam
    >> > servers', and therefore email sent to aol or yahoo accounts are
    >> > rejected. This is of course not acceptable for a commercial online app
    >> > that depends on email messages getting received by its users.

    >>
    >> > Is this the case with most mail servers online? Is there a way around
    >> > this? What is a web app developer to do, whose intentions is not to
    >> > spam, but whose app requires the legitimate use of mail servers?

    >>
    >> > Thank you for your time and help.

    >>
    >> > Regards,

    >>
    >> > Jim- Hide quoted text -

    >>
    >> - Show quoted text -

    >
    >
    >
    > Hi Juan,
    >
    > How does one go about finding this out about a given ISP? Is there a
    > list?
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    >
    >
     
    John Timney \(MVP\), Mar 3, 2007
    #5
  6. Guest

    Hi John,

    That makes sense, however, except for this spamming issue,
    CrystalTech has been a pretty good host and answers questions very
    promptly. That's why I was a bit surprised when this problem came up.
     
    , Mar 3, 2007
    #6
  7. Guest

    btw, the address of my current mail server is

    maila62.webcontrolcenter.com
     
    , Mar 3, 2007
    #7
  8. Guest

    On the other hand, I'm not sure how an ISP could prevent a user from
    using their mail servers to spam. And when a company like yahoo or aol
    blacklists them, it's already too late.
     
    , Mar 3, 2007
    #8
  9. Maybe you should look for another reason why your mails are bouncing as spam.

    That mail server has the IP 216.119.106.40
    and neither Spamhaus nor Spamcop list it..

    http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=216.119.106.40

    http://spamcop.net/sc?track=216.119.106.40




    Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
    asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
    foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
    ===================================
    <> wrote in message news:...
    > btw, the address of my current mail server is


    > maila62.webcontrolcenter.com
     
    Juan T. Llibre, Mar 4, 2007
    #9
  10. well even the ISP I use has been blacklisted before, but credible companies
    manage to get themselves removed within a couple of hours and respond to the
    issue that caused them to be blacklisted. Spamhause etc. have procedures in
    place to get your company removed. If your ISP are good (and I personally
    cant comment on them) then you should ask them what the problem is and how
    they intend to deal with it.

    It may be as Juan suggested that there is a different reason why your mails
    are being rejected.

    --
    --
    Regards

    John Timney (MVP)
    http://www.johntimney.com
    http://www.johntimney.com/blog


    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On the other hand, I'm not sure how an ISP could prevent a user from
    > using their mail servers to spam. And when a company like yahoo or aol
    > blacklists them, it's already too late.
    >
     
    John Timney \(MVP\), Mar 4, 2007
    #10
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